The ill-fated strategy of Obama’s Feb 25th ‘Bipartisan’ Dog and Pony Show…

As I see it… there is only one thing Obama needs to push through ObamaCare at this point.

He is short of votes in the House of Representatives.

Obama’s political strategy since Scott Brown was elected as Massachusetts’ newest Senator has been to…

…attempt to morph the  reality of the Majority of Voters’ Rejection of ObamaCare into a Voter Rejection of the Behavior of the Conservatives in Congress as incumbents who are not laying down and playing dead for the Socialists-Progressives.

Clearly, Obama had enough of a majority of DEMs in Congress to pass legislation that was agreeable to the Majority of Voters. And, Clearly! ObamaCare is NOT AGREEABLE.

Obama has failed in spite of a DEM majority in the House and Senate but that does not stop him from trying to ram through ObamaCare in spite of ObamaCare rejection by the Majority of Voters. In my view, Obama & Co is screwed yet still dangerous.

If Obama could convince House Democrats into passing the Senate Version of ObamaCare by misleading them into believing the Majority of Voters will settle down after ObamaCare is passed and not kick them all out of Congress, he is home free.

But… We, the Majority of Voters, will not settle down and  graze in a Progressive pasture of his making.

We will, instead, be even more determined to rid Congress of Representatives and Senators who vote for a bill that is overwhelmingly rejected by the Majority of Voters.

Obama overestimates his ability to sell Progressive Snake Oil to the Majority of
American Voters.

The truth of that will be tested when the smoke clears following his ‘Bipartisan’ Dog & Pony Show. The polls will catch up to the results of Obama’s Snake Oil Salesmanship. Oh, there will be the leftist polls… but there are plenty of independent polls and those are the ones that matter to those in Washington.


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188 Responses to The ill-fated strategy of Obama’s Feb 25th ‘Bipartisan’ Dog and Pony Show…

  1. Foxwood says:

    Sami said:
    “Americans have awakened! We can see that government has been ineffective at resolving our problems. What they have been effective at is spending taxpayer money, our money to make promises they can’t keep and we can’t afford, granting entitlements they don’t have constitutional authority to grant!”

    Our school children have been dumbed down and don’t know what is and is not Constitutional. This has been done on purpose to get things like Healthcare and Crap & Trade through.

    These kids laugh at us saying we are kooks and see Communist at every corner, when they have been brought up by the school system to look blindly beyond the Communism that they already live in, but don’t see.

    These “leaders” in office are all about controlling the population, and when they can get the kids to laugh at us, later when they need the real history dead, it will be easier to kill.

    We are the real history. We are the ones that have to die as per Marx theory if they get their way.

    This man, Obutthole, thinks if he can get his crap rammed down our throats, that that will be the end of it. He let Congress write the crappy bill so that his fingerprints aren’t on it, but this is a complete Regressive Liberal agenda shared by all of them.

    This is the closest they’ve ever been to complete control of humanity. This has been the dream since Marx. Marxists couldn’t do it in Amerika through revolution, so they called themselves Progressives, because they “progress”, and progress toward Socialism/Communism slowly, imperceivable.

    But their so close now. So now it’s full speed ahead. They can taste the power.

    I can’t wait to kick them in the nuts, because they don’t see the real revolution coming.

  2. Foxwood says:

    Marines have Taliban fighters trapped in Marjah, Afghanistan!

  3. samiam60 says:

    Seems that even though we have cut the head off of this snake it continues to wiggle around.

    Best we can do at this point his put our foot on it and wait till it dies on its own. imo

    That is what we do here. We stop Progressive Socialists in their belly crawling tracks.

  4. VotingFemale says:

    Is there a Juedi, Afganistan??

  5. Foxwood says:

    I know I’d like to kick the Taliban in the Karachi!

  6. Foxwood says:

    I’m thinking they are more like a hydra, Sami. Cut off a head and another grows back.

  7. samhenry says:

    FOX – could you mean

  8. Foxwood says:

    Yeah! I’d like to stomp on those roaches!

  9. Foxwood says:

    I didn’t know they grew cherries in Mexico.

    Mariachi cherries…

  10. samhenry says:

    Watchie los Mariachi cherries, FOX

    Hi Sami

  11. samhenry says:

    I have too many dogs here. I get so mixed up on who I am calling to come – I just turned to Daisy and said: “come,um er,a, yeah, come.”

  12. Foxwood says:

    Good Morning SamH!

  13. dancingczars says:

    Great post, love the whit. I honestly don’t believe they have even 50 Senate Democrats. An article posted yesterday indicated they only have twenty. Source: http://dancingczars.wordpress.com/2010/02/20/new-republic-policy-wonk-tosses-cold-water-on-leftwing-public-option-ghost-dance/

    Be clear, the vast majority of these lounge lizards will not walk the plank for a sinking ship. To do so as you so well point out, will be remembered big time by the voters. Out with the Old, in with the New. (possible site name V?) Jim

  14. Foxwood says:

    Good Morning Jim!

  15. samhenry says:

    As usual, VF, read the post internalized the info and forgot to let you know how helpful it is to have a point in time established when we should be able to tell again how O is doing. So far so Bad.

  16. samhenry says:

    Have to dash for the washing machine before my boarder gets his laundry basket in order – perhaps his life at the same time – who knows!

  17. Foxwood says:

    Get ready for more global warming! It’s gonna get cold again…

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  19. samiam60 says:

    In a recent poll it was found that 86% of Americans believe our Government is Broken.

    Hmmmmm?

    Obama, Pelosi, Reid. Maybe you should start believing in Polls.

    November is coming:

    TICK TOCK TICK TOCK

    We the People will fix this Government once and for all.

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  21. Foxwood says:

    Let’s just make this a K-FOX twin spin!

  22. Foxwood says:

    Shut up and sing, baby! Such a pretty face and so politically wrong.

  23. Foxwood says:

    Didn’t she sing in the “Stoned Ponies”?

  24. Foxwood says:

    I’m a true American Capitalist! Just give me…

  25. Foxwood says:

    The revolution’s here…
    and you know that it’s right!

  26. Foxwood says:

    We got to get outa’ this place… Regressive Socialism.

    ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxNEiZhpinY

  27. Foxwood says:

    Who had that last tab of acid?

  28. Foxwood says:

    It’s ok to sing again, Sam! You were the best!

  29. Foxwood says:

    Man, I’m hungry! Feed me somethin’ Cannibal!

  30. Foxwood says:

    Was that blue berry hill or cherry hill park?

  31. Foxwood says:

    For if we don’t find the next wiskey bar
    I tell you we must die!

  32. Foxwood says:

    He has played with The Troggs, The Association, Jan & Dean, and The Mamas & the Papas, The Kingston Trio, Merle Haggard, The Monkees, Elvis Presley, Bobby Darin, and Ricky Nelson.

    He was a touring member of The Beach Boys, filling in for Brian Wilson in 1964 and 1965.

  33. Foxwood says:

    The song was about the Nixon administration…

  34. ohiobelle says:

    Obama has got some nerve to waste yet another year on his failed policies! What ever happened to that job bill?? Is Barry implying that nothing will get done unless he gets his healthcare passed? If he is going to suck his thumb and stand in the corner then we need somebody else to step in!

  35. ohiobelle says:

    I think he better stay the course and focus on the economy. If people can get back to work then they stand a better chance of getting healthcare! It’s the tail wagging the dog and Obama & Co just don’t get it.

  36. Foxwood says:

    Belle,

    I think Obutthole thinks he has it in the bag.

    The televised BS fest is to show that the GOP stopped the passage (I don’t know how, when they had 60 votes and still have 51 votes), and Natzi Palosi and Hairy Rod are going to pass a budget bill (with the HC BS bill attached) against our will.

    This is all about human control. Your body and soul is no longer yours as far as they are concerned. Your too stupid to take care of yourself.

  37. Foxwood says:

    Are you laughing at me?

  38. ohiobelle says:

    Fox wrote: Belle,

    I think Obutthole thinks he has it in the bag.

    The televised BS fest is to show that the GOP stopped the passage (I don’t know how, when they had 60 votes and still have 51 votes), and Natzi Palosi and Hairy Rod are going to pass a budget bill (with the HC BS bill attached) against our will.

    This is all about human control. Your body and soul is no longer yours as far as they are concerned. Your too stupid to take care of yourself.

    Fox, I just can’t stand it. They are so out of touch with what is really going on. I honestly think they only care about getting healthcare passed and nothing else. They’ll soon see what it is like to be searching for a job that doesn’t exist!!

  39. Foxwood says:

    This was an R rated blog…

    Not any more!

  40. ohiobelle says:

    What about those that still won’t be able to afford their healthcare?? Will they throw us all in jail? We can’t afford even their healthcare if we DON’T HAVE A JOB!

  41. Foxwood says:

    Healthcare is about human control. They’ve been after this holy grail since 1921. When they get this and Crap & Trade, they will be able to control our bodies.

    During the Inquisition, the church said a person controlled nothing but his soul, which allowed them to torture you till you confessed to your sins.

    Socialism/Communism doesn’t even want you to control your soul.

  42. Foxwood says:

    Sami,

    Looks like you’ll be working 8 days a week… 😦

  43. ohiobelle says:

    Fox wrote: Healthcare is about human control. They’ve been after this holy grail since 1921. When they get this and Crap & Trade, they will be able to control our bodies.

    There is no way in hell cap & tax will pass!! No way in hell!! Is there??? Do you think they honestly stand a chance? I think they better keep dreaming.

  44. Foxwood says:

    It’s called the EPA, Belle. Obutthole will make it an executive decision… 😦

  45. Foxwood says:

    I’m looking into any way to stop the sh!t…

  46. ohiobelle says:

    I’ve considered starting my own company but I want to wait and see with this administration is going to do next. There lies the true problem. I’ve considered relocating to find a job but I can’t sell our house right now because the value has dropped.

    I just feel so trapped and this administration is making it worse. Everytime I start to put one foot in front of the other… this adminstration does something to push me back. I just feel soooooo trapped!! UGH!!!

  47. ohiobelle says:

    I will probably lose my next job if cap & tax passes.

    I lost my career of 18 years when porkapolis passed. I lost my crappy recession job when healthcare passed in the House. What is next?? Why can’t they see that their actions is making the economy worse??

  48. ohiobelle says:

    I paid somebody $300 to review my taxes to make sure everything was correct.

    Do you think Congress will even bother to pay their taxes?? Do you think Timmy can do us the honor of PAYING HIS TAXES?? Probably not!

  49. Foxwood says:

    Belle,

    Like you, I’m stuck in this house. It’s a great house. It’s 100 years old. It’s two stories. Lot’s of rooms. My original house I bought is next door and I rent it out. This area is great for housing, because of the hurricanes and work to be done.

    Like you I can’t move. The value of this house has dropped. The only thing that makes me want to move are the hurricanes, but I don’t see that as an issue with global cooling.

    The best I can do if I want to sell, is wait. I won’t hold my breath until we get a business oriented administration in Washington DC.

  50. ohiobelle says:

    I am going to log off for the night. I will have to hit the treadmill to bring down my blood pressure after this conversation.. lol

    I will be back in the morning. Hava a great night Fox.

  51. Foxwood says:

    Verizon is in bed with DC… That’s the only thing I have going for me…

    It’s a sucky way to have a job if your a Conservative.

  52. ohiobelle says:

    Fox wrote: Like you I can’t move. The value of this house has dropped. The only thing that makes me want to move are the hurricanes, but I don’t see that as an issue with global cooling.

    HAHAHAHA!! Yea thank God for all this global cooling we are having. lol

  53. Foxwood says:

    I think Galactus could beat Green Lantern!

  54. Foxwood says:

    What’s your name?

    Who’s your daddy?

  55. Foxwood says:

    It’s been fun watching the Regressive Liberals (Progressives) explain the cooling trend.

  56. Foxwood says:

    how’s that healthcare plan look?

  57. Foxwood says:

    Healthcare’s kind of crazy with a pukey bill that stinks of spew!

  58. Foxwood says:

    STRONGER THAN DIRT!

  59. Foxwood says:

    You know that what you eat, you are!

  60. Foxwood says:

    One of my all time favorites!

    Cry me a tear, momma!

  61. Foxwood says:

    Good night all… Got to go to work in the morning.

    Don’t let the Regressive Liberals bring you down.

    Keep good thought in mind…

  62. Foxwood says:

    Ok…

    Keep good thoughts in mind…

  63. Foxwood says:

    Dream of Sunshine and Lollipops!

    Nighty nite!

  64. samiam60 says:

    Good Morning my Fellow Patriots 🙂

  65. samhenry says:

    ah ha!

    Good morning Sami. I hope you are ok this day. It promises to be in the mid-thirties here -a veritable heatwave.

  66. samhenry says:

    I’m on my way back to the rack. See you all later. Good morning VF if you are up there in the tag cloud lol

  67. Foxwood says:

    It’s a good day to be a subject of the Dictatorship!
    Sieg Heil und Guten Morgan fellow unAmerican Nazis!
    It’s time to unfurl the Confederate Swastika and fire the cannon!

  68. Foxwood says:

    Good Morning SamH!

    Good Morning Sami!

    Sunshine and Lollipops this morning!

  69. rosehips says:

    morning peeps!

    sami, sorry I wasn’t here yesterday to share in your last day of free time. Working 60 hour weeks will not leave you much time for blogging, as it should be….Good luck with the job!

    belle, I can sense your frustration strongly. I just want to give you some encouragement because I think you are young enough, intelligent, passionate and I’m pretty sure that you are a hard worker. I know you invested much of your life in your field but you have advantages that others do not. Have you considered returning to school? I know that the deficit rises as our gov’t spends, but there is money available to get trained in a new field. You may think climate change is a hoax, but there will be jobs in alternatives. I wouldn’t be surprised if your part of OH becomes a recipient of enough funding that they start up some manufacturing companies to supply the need for wind and solar energy and other alternatives. One industry that is going to boom, imo, is hemp. My state is poised to legalize hemp growing and there will be opportunities for small businesses to manufacture and sell hemp products. It’s not illegal to buy hemp, only to sell it, so anyone in the country should be able to purchase hemp from our farmers out here. (disclaimer: I’m not sure of the laws and I am not authorized to give legal advice.) If you don’t know all the possible uses for hemp, there is a lot of info out there including books and films. It truely is the most versatile plant (at least it’s claimed to be) on the planet. California is also poised to legalize hemp growing. I realize that for some people hemp is too radical, but believe me, once its legal across the nation, it will become acceptable.
    I saw you are considering a business. Do careful research and prepare for a depression. Some businesses thrive in a depression. Find out what they are and choose one wisely.

    Ok, that is enough job advice from rosehips, who has been out of full-time work for over a year. haha I live in a very depressed area of the state but have the advantage of not owning my home. I feel for you being strapped down with a home you can’t sell. (not as sympathetic to foxy who at least has a job 😉 )

    I might be moving to Alaska in the future. That is the last great frontier and although I imagine jobs aren’t plentiful, they pay well if you can find one, or so I hear.

  70. Foxwood says:

    I won’t sell my house unless I have to. It’s a great house. Needs lots of attention.

    Make sure when you move to Alaska, to take a rifle. You don’t need a job, just hunting ground. You could call yourself Mountain Rose!

  71. rosehips says:

    Here’s a positive piece on President Obama that everyone can support. right? Who wouldn’t admire his parenting skills. No t.v. on school nights? how cruel and unusual! That is how I was raised and although I hated it, I think the priority given to schoolwork is important to help our country compete in this flat world. Of course foxy will probably rail against the school system. I guess we should all send our kids to private schools or home school them so we don’t infect their minds with communist propaganda. 😉

    I didn’t even get to watch the Beatles on Ed Sullivan when I was in 2nd grade, or thereabouts. damn my ‘rents were sadistic.

    February 22, 2010 in Features
    The president on parenting
    The Spokesman-Review Print

    The president’s daughters must get straight A’s. That’s my conclusion based on this quote from President Barack Obama:

    “Malia will tell you, my attitude was, if she came home with a B, that’s not good enough because there’s no reason why she can’t get an A.”

    The president and first lady Michelle Obama are on the cover of the March issue of Essence. The interview with the president is part of the magazine’s three-part education series, “Teaching Our Children.”

    According to a press release from the magazine, the interview includes Obama’s opinions on a number of topics – from making teachers accountable and closing the education gap between black and white students to how he and the first lady encourage their daughters to love learning.

    According to the Associated Press, the president also told Essence that Malia and Sasha never watch television on school nights.

    “The girls don’t watch TV during the week. Period,” he said.

    Instead, they spend their time doing homework. When they’re done with that, they read until bedtime – which is 8 p.m. for 8-year-old Sasha and an hour later for Malia, 11.

    When Essence asked him what parents can do to help their kids develop a love of learning, the president advised other dads and moms to set expectations so that the children take responsibility for their own education.

    He also spoke about how he and Michelle Obama started reading to their girls when they were still babies.

    “There’s no doubt that Michelle and I have more resources and privileges compared with a lot of parents. We understand that,” he said. “But I don’t care how poor you are – you can turn off the television set during the week.”

    Do your kids watch television on school nights? Besides turning off the TV, what else can parents do to encourage learning?

  72. rosehips says:

    lol foxy, mountain rose… I like that!

  73. rosehips says:

    ethics is another area where many parents are falling short. Are our leaders failing us by giving us role models that defy values and lead us into temptation and grey areas?

    February 22, 2010 in Features
    Ethical behavior continues to decline
    Youngsters’ values elusive, and reasons are aplenty
    Debra-Lynn B. Hook McClatchy-Tribune Print

    My 12-year-old son hangs out with a group of very nice 12-year-old boys – many of whom falsified their age online so they could open a Facebook account.

    The boys all asked permission from their parents. What they didn’t tell Mom and Dad is that you’re supposed to be 13 to go on Facebook.

    What they didn’t say is that they had to fill in a birth date on the online registration form. What they failed to mention is that they had to lie.

    “But Mom, we always lie online,” one of the boys told his mothers when confronted. “If predators think we’re older, they’ll leave us alone.”

    Consider another question of ethics, that of my 17-year-old daughter, who doesn’t understand why I won’t let her get her driver’s license until she can sign an affidavit – as required by law – saying she has earned 50 hours of drive time.

    “But, Mom, none of my friends are driving 50 hours. Why do I have to?”

    The first of my three children, now 21, remembers when he was 9 and he admitted to breaking a lamp. Instead of being punished, he remembers me getting down at eye level and thanking him for telling the truth.

    He also remembers when he was 8 and he got caught eating in his room, which we didn’t allow. I told him at the time it wasn’t so much that he was eating, but that he lied when I confronted him.

    “I will not lie to my mother,” he had to write 50 times.

    So how did we get here? How do decent children from decent families, who are taught that honesty wins the prize, think it’s OK to lie, even commit what amounts to fraud before the state Bureau of Motor Vehicles?

    These questions come up every two years, when the Josephson Institute Center for Youth Ethics – which distributes the Character Counts! program in hundreds of American schools – surveys students nationwide about their ethical behaviors.

    In 2008, more than 30 percent of 30,000 students admitted to stealing from a store during the past year, while 64 percent said they cheated on a test and 36 percent said they plagiarized using the Internet.

    Forty-two percent said they lied to save money, and eight in 10 said they lied to their parents in the past year.

    The irony: Despite the amount of deception in their lives, 93 percent of the students said they were pleased with their personal code of ethics.

    Every two years, the numbers get a little worse. Every two years, the pundits, parenting experts and educators speculate as to why:

    •The Web. Innocent re-invention online easily escalates into falsifying notarized affidavits.

    •Public indiscretion. Pick one: Bill Clinton. Enron. Martha Stewart. Tiger Woods. If they can lie, cheat and deceive, so can we.

    •Illegal downloading. Justifying the theft of music and movies can easily shift to justifying the theft of makeup from the drug store, work from your classmate, paragraphs from Wikipedia.

    There’s one more bullet point I’d like to add: parents.

    I don’t know how it happened to us. But somewhere along the way, we forgot where our own ethical standards start and stop. We also forgot that saying no is sometimes a gift to our children.

    For weeks, I agonized over the angst my isolated 12-year-old son appeared to suffer.

    “It feels really bad, Mom, when I go to school and everybody’s talking about Dylan’s Facebook pictures except me.”

    For weeks, I felt bad for my daughter.

    “I don’t know how I’m going to get all those hours in, Mom.”

    I considered all sides of the story. Then suddenly one day the cobwebs blew away.

    My mission once again was clear, as I blurted to my son, “You can get Facebook in April when you turn 13,” and to my daughter, “You can get your driver’s license when you drive 50 hours.”

    Period. End of discussion. That’s that.

    They say we are living in a squishy time: The normless Internet keeps us bowing to its whims. The media soars above like a Macy’s balloon, ready to pop any minute with the next barrage of hot air.

    Meanwhile, oddly, the same rules of parenting remain relevant: Pay attention to everything in your sights. Listen carefully. Consider with empathy and understanding. Apply the usual values.

    Debra-Lynn B. Hook, of Kent, Ohio, is a journalist and mother of three.

  74. rosehips says:

    another positive news story about good people doing good things…

    February 22, 2010 in Features
    Unconditional love
    Family who took in aging man with Down syndrome receives blessings beyond their belief
    Tim Woodward The Idaho Statesman Print

    Veanne, left, and Van Elg, right, took Edgar in on the advice of Van Elg’s mother, then working at a group home where Edgar was living. “She thought he’d be good for us,” Veanne Elg said. “We weren’t sure at the time. He was a complete stranger. But we met him and fell in love with him.” They are pictured at the family home in West Boise, Idaho. It isn’t Edgar Call’s age that makes him unique, though it’s certainly unusual.

    No, family members say, there’s a lot more to Edgar than being one of the country’s oldest living men with Down syndrome.

    “When you’re looking at Edgar, you’re looking at an angel,” says his “sister,” Annika Rau. “And the same could be said for my parents for what they’ve done for him.”

    Her parents, Van and Veanne Elg of Boise, took Edgar in on the advice of Van Elg’s mother, then working at a group home where Edgar was living.

    “She thought he’d be good for us,” Veanne Elg says. “We weren’t sure at the time. He was a complete stranger. But we met him and fell in love with him.”

    Edgar has been living with the Elgs for 17 years now. In August, he’ll be 71.

    “The Guinness Book of Records people have told us that to their knowledge, he’s the oldest living male with Down syndrome,” Van Elg says. “There’s a woman who’s older.”

    Down syndrome is a genetic condition caused by an extra chromosome.

    People with Down syndrome have delayed mental and social development – Edgar’s mental age is 2 to 3 – and suffer from physical problems. Heart defects, leukemia and other factors can lead to early death.

    At 70, Edgar has beaten the odds, living a long life that began in the eastern Idaho farming community of Bancroft. He lived with his parents and siblings there until he was 11, then was moved to the Idaho State School and Hospital in Nampa.

    “His parents were quite elderly,” Veanne Elg says. “They did the best they could for him, but it just became too difficult for them to care for him.”

    “Home” was a succession of group homes until the Elgs stepped in.

    A neighbor, Tiffany Larson, says she’s “continually touched that they care for Edgar, who was a complete stranger to them, with such genuine love.

    “Without them, he would have aged quietly in the group home where he lived and would have died alone. Perhaps he’d have gone years ago had he not been loved by this family.”

    Theirs was the first family home he’d known in more than 40 years. Their decision to share it with him changed the lives of everyone who lived there.

    “When people ask us who he is, we say he’s our brother,” says Rau, 25. “He is our brother.”

    Rau is the oldest of the Elgs’ three daughters, all of whom grew up with Edgar. They can’t imagine life without him.

    His sense of humor brightens their lives. Though his speech is limited, he likes to sing, dance and play practical jokes.

    “When it’s time for him to go to bed, he’ll go around and turn off all the lights,” Veanne Elg says. “Even if we have company.”

    He loves dogs, children and cowboys.

    “If someone’s down,” Rau says, “he can sense it. He’ll ask you if you’re sad and dance to make you laugh.”

    Edgar attends a developmental school in Meridian. Veanne is there to meet him when the bus stops at their West Boise home.

    “He’ll hand me a drawing and say, ‘Here, Mommy.’ And he always thanks us for every little thing. He has such a sweet spirit. …

    “He’s changed us. He didn’t need to change.”

    Having Edgar has “taught our kids to be more patient and tolerant of other people,” Van Elg adds. “They’ve never been nervous or uncomfortable around disabled people.”

    The family has seen a difference in Edgar’s health in the last year. He’s become hard of hearing, lost the sight in one eye and has problems with his back and feet.

    “It’s sad because he’s always been so strong and fast,” Van says. “He loved to play kickball and was a good bowler.

    “Now he’s slowing down. He doesn’t even talk as much as he used to.”

    That led to a family discussion of whether it would be necessary to move Edgar to a care center as his health deteriorated.

    “When he became incontinent and harder to take places, we wondered if we’d reached the point where we could still take care of him,” Van says.

    “Savannah (their 15-year-old daughter) said, ‘No. Don’t you even think about moving him somewhere. He belongs with us.’

    “It was never really an option to let him go,” Van adds. “We’ve gained so much more than we’ve given.”

    “He’s taught us unconditional love,” Annika says.

    “Yes, he has,” her mother agrees. “That and that things don’t always have to be perfect to be wonderful.”

  75. rosehips says:

    okay, more than 5 comments in a row and I start to feel like I have spinach in my teeth. I talk but people avoid me. I can’t figure out why. Is there something I should know?

  76. VotingFemale says:

    Good Morning Sammy! SamHenry! Foxwood! Rosehips!

    I cant stay on… ton of errands that have to be done but plan to be on this afternoon early!

    Good Luck on your first day on your new jobs, Sammy!!!!!! I will MISS you!! boo hoo

  77. VotingFemale says:

    lol on the spinach, Rose! no one hooked up on the comment log, obviously ‘cept you and me at present.

  78. Foxwood says:

    “I can’t figure out why. Is there something I should know?”

    It’s the hairy armpit thing… Mountain Rose still needs to shave! 🙂

  79. rosehips says:

    lol foxy. I go to the dermatologist tomorrow for a full body check-up. This calls for a new blade for my razor. haha 😉

  80. rosehips says:

    missing sami already and I will miss you too VF. I have many things to do today anyway. It’s one of those mondays, ya know?

  81. Foxwood says:

    Yeah… I’m busy myself… I want to comment on education, but I got a long drive…

  82. rosehips says:

    That Bangles vid was made a 1986 I think.They are from L.A. and Prince wrote the song in 1984 and offered it to them in 1986. I have always loved that song. Now that I see the vid, I understand why I related to the band. One of the band members looked like me. lol only kidding.

  83. rosehips says:

    Here’s another Bangles song that was popular in the 80’s. Guess which one resembles me? lol

  84. rosehips says:

    This is ludicrous. The EPA can’t restrict percs because they are grandfathered in? That makes no sense.

    perchloroethylene
    Law slows efforts to control chemical used by dry cleaners
    Sunday, February 21, 2010 11:52 PM
    By Spencer Hunt

    THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
    When it comes to dry cleaning, nothing else gets stains out like a chemical called perchloroethylene, or “perc,” for short.

    “I can’t say I’ve seen anything better,” said Mike Hill, plant manager for the Caskey Cleaning Co. at 47 W. Gates St. on the South Side.

    Maybe, but for decades, officials at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency have been studying the chemical as a cancer threat. After years of research, the EPA has proposed changing that threat level to people from “possible” to “likely.”

    Ohio businesses released an estimated 313,000 pounds of perc into the air in 2008, but industry groups continue to argue that even a “likely” cancer connection hasn’t been proved.
    “I’ve been working around it now for over 14 years, and my father has been working around it for over 30 years,” Hill said. “We haven’t seen any ill effects.”

    EPA officials and environmental advocates point to perc as an example of an even-bigger problem – a federal law that they say keeps the government from protecting people from dangerous chemicals.

    The Toxic Substances Control Act, passed in 1976, was intended to give the U.S. EPA authority to restrict the use of chemicals or other substances if it determines they are hazardous.

    But the law restricts the EPA’s ability to enforce limits on chemicals in use before the law was passed. Perc dates back to the 1930s.

    The law also restricts the agency’s ability to act on new, outside research that links chemicals to human health problems. As a result, the agency has ordered tests on 200 of 84,000 chemicals used in business services and products.

    Since 1976, the EPA has restricted the use of asbestos and lead-based paint and banned the use of only one class of chemicals, PCBs.

    Lisa Jackson, the U.S. EPA administrator, called the law “toothless” during an appearance Thursday in Columbus. She said she’s pushing Congress to pass a law that gives the EPA more authority to more quickly review chemicals.

    “Americans are calling out for more safety in the products that they use,” Jackson said. “I believe there is a real opportunity for a bipartisan legislative solution.”

    Richard Wiles, senior vice president for policy at the Washington-based Environmental Working Group, said a bill could be drafted within weeks.

    Wiles said any new law should be similar to those that govern pesticides, which require studies that show how much of a chemical ends up in the food we eat.

    The U.S. EPA has had similar problems restricting the use of other chemicals, including bisphenol A, a compound used in clear plastics and food cans linked to reproductive and nervous-system problems and cancers in lab animals.

    Then there is perfluoroctanoic acid, or C8, a chemical DuPont uses to help make Teflon. Studies indicate that nine of every 10 people have at least trace amounts of it in their blood. It has been labeled a “likely carcinogen.”

    Wiles said companies have a responsibility to protect customers and others.

    “If they want to sell a chemical, they have a duty to show what those exposures are,” Wiles said.

    It’s not clear how industry groups will respond. Jack Pounds, president of the Ohio Chemistry Technology Council, said businesses need clear and understandable rules that they and regulators would have to follow.

    Alan Spielvogel, director of technical services for the National Cleaning Association, said accuracy in health studies is more important that speed.

    Where perc is concerned, “There needs to be more study done on this,” he said.

    The U.S. EPA is proposing to limit perc between 6 parts per billion to 50 parts per billion in air.

    Spielvogel said such restrictions could force cleaners to use more expensive chemicals or costly filters. Hill said many dry cleaners already use “closed” systems that keep perc out of the air by cycling the dirty solvent through filters so it can be reused.

    A 1997 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study found these closed-system cleaners release much higher amounts of the chemical – an average 16.9 parts per million.

    It’s not clear when the U.S. EPA will make a decision on how to label the chemical.

    “EPA will work as expeditiously as possible,” said spokeswoman Latisha Petteway.

    shunt@dispatch.com

    http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/02/21/law-slows-effort-to-control-chemical-used-by-dry-cleaners.html

  85. rosehips says:

    I fear I am creating lag on this blog. I will get off now until someone else is here or VF posts something new.

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  87. dancingczars says:

    I faxed Bohnier a strategy which was basically, show up, tell the president if you are not willing to start from a clean piece of paper, and throw the reconciliation threats off the table we can discuss. If not we are here to help you with your number one priority jobs. If he refuses, they thank him and quietly leave. This would checkmate Obama and his televised rock opera. Showing All the US and the world that he isn’t serious about Health care, just want’s to appear bi-partisan. If they refuse to talk about Jobs they are toast. I hope to God this is the tract they follow. Saw an article and posted that this is what the Republicans wanted to do. I would have liked to have ambushed and embarrassed them, J.C.

  88. AFVET says:

    Gird your loins folks.
    Chicago thug politics is alive and living in the White House, or should I say the Oval Office.

    If you corner a thug, he get’s desperate.

  89. Foxwood says:

    Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin are coming to Beaumont, TX!!! That’s 60 miles from me!

    YEA!

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  91. Foxwood says:

    From:
    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/02/22/tom-karl-tried-to-suppress-data-critics-charge/

    New Climate Agency Head Tried to Suppress Data, Critics Charge

    By Ed Barnes

    – FOXNews.com

    Thomas Karl, the head of Obama’s new Climate Change office has been criticized for trying to suppress contradictory scientific data on climate change.

    NOAA

    Thomas Karl, the newly appointed head of the National Climatic Data Center.

    The scientist who has been put in charge of the Commerce Department’s new climate change office is coming under attack from both sides of the global warming debate over his handling of what they say is contradictory scientific data related to the subject.

    Thomas Karl, 58, was appointed to oversee the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s (NOAA) National Climatic Data Center, an ambitious new office that will collect climate change data and disseminate it to businesses and communities.

    According to Commerce Secretary Gary Locke, the office will “help tackle head-on the challenges of mitigating and adapting to climate change. In the process, we’ll discover new technologies, build new businesses and create new jobs.”

    Karl, who has played a pivotal role in key climate decisions over the past decade, has kept a low profile as director of National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) since 1998, and he has led all of the NOAA climate services since 2009. His name surfaced numerous times in leaked “climate-gate” e-mails from the University of East Anglia, but there was little in the e-mails that tied him to playing politics with climate data. Mostly, the e-mails show he was in the center of the politics of climate change decisions

    According to a school biography published by Northern Illinois University, Karl shared the Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore and other leading scientists based on his work at the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), and he was “one of the 10 most influential researchers of the 1990s who have formed or changed the course of research in a given area.”
    related links

    Top U.N. Climate Official Yvo de Boer Resigning
    *

    Global Warming in Last 15 Years Insignificant, U.K.’s Top Climate Scientist Admits
    *

    Global Warming Skeptics Lambaste Plan to Increase Funding for Climate Change Research

    His appointment was hailed by both the Sierra Club and Duke Energy Company of North Carolina. Sierra Club President Carl Pope said, “As polluters and their allies continue to try to muddy the waters around climate science, the Climate Service will provide easy, direct access to the valuable scientific research undertaken by government scientists and others.” And Duke Energy CEO Jin Rogers said the new office, under Karl, will “spark the consensus we need to move forward.”

    But Roger Pielke Sr., a climatologist affiliated with the University of Colorado who has crossed horns with Karl in the past, says his appointment was a mistake. He accused Karl of suppressing data he submitted for the IPCC’s most recent report on climate change and having a very narrow view of its causes.

    The IPCC is charged with reviewing scientific data on climate change and providing policy makers and others with an assessment of current knowledge.

    Pielke said he agrees that global warming is happening and that man plays a significant role in it, but he said there are many factors in addition to the release of carbon into the atmosphere that need to be studied to fully understand the phenomenon. He said he resigned from the IPCC in August 2005 because his data, and the work of numerous other scientists, were not included in its most recent report.

    In his resignation letter, Pielke wrote that he had completed the assessment of current knowledge for his chapter of the report, when Karl abruptly took control of the final draft. He said the chapter he had nearly completed was then rewritten with a too-narrow focus.

    One of the key areas of dispute, he said, was in describing “recent regional trends in surface and tropospheric temperatures,” and the impact of land use on temperatures. It is the interpretation of this data on which the intellectual basis of the idea of global warming hangs.

    In an interview, Pielke reiterated that Karl “has actively opposed views different from his own.” And on his Web site last week, he said Karl’s appointment “assures that policy makers will continue to receive an inappropriately narrow view of our actual knowledge with respect to climate science.”

    He said the people who run the agencies in charge of climate monitoring are too narrowly focused, and he worries that the creation of the new office “would give the same small group of people the chance to speak on the issue and exclude others” whose views might diverge from theirs.

    Responding to the criticism, Karl told the Washington Post, “the literature doesn’t show [Pielke’s] ideas about the importance of land use are correct.”

    Calls to The Commerce Department and to Karl’s office went unanswered.

    The IPCC in recent weeks has come under severe criticism after e-mails, hacked from a prestigious climate center, revealed some of the political infighting that occurred as its assessments were being put together and called into question its impartiality.

    Climate change skeptics, meanwhile, say Karl’s appointment was unnecessary and pulls scarce resources from more pressing needs.

    “The unconstitutional global warming office and its new Web site climate.gov would be charged with propagandizing Americans with eco-alarmism,” wrote Alex Newman of the Liberty Sentinel of Gainesville, Fla.

    On the popular skeptic site “Watts Up With That,” Anthony Watts called the climate.gov site a “waste of more taxpayer money” and charged that it is nothing more than a “fast track press release service.” He wrote that putting Karl in charge was an issue, because he had fabricated photos of “floods that didn’t happen” in an earlier NOAA report.

  92. m2 says:

    OMG! I just read a brilliant AT article and one commenter called the leftist “fall on the sword” plan- Obamacide!!!

    This article is good, let me find the link:

  93. m2 says:

    Dang Fox, the climate fear mongers are going belly up at every turn.

    Guess truth eventually comes out no matter what…

    Don’t you love the Pelosi has gone into hiding… Well I guess it worked for her and Dems in 2006, and 2008. But I don’t think ppl are going to forget her arrogance and hate from this past year!

  94. ohiobelle says:

    So the guy who plotted the NYC subway attacks just pleaded guilty in a NYC court. Shouldn’t he be in Gitmo? He is considered a terrorist.

  95. ohiobelle says:

    I’ve tried over and over to comment but nothing is posting. My computer keeps freezing up everytime I log on to the blog. Is anybody else having these problems?? I’ve spent the past hour trying to comment and nothing is appearing. I’ll try back later.

  96. Foxwood says:

    Belle, I think WordPress has a problem. Did it tell you you’ve sent duplicate messages?

  97. Foxwood says:

    From:
    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/02/22/scientist-retracts-paper-rising-sea-levels-errors/

    Updated February 22, 2010
    Scientists Retract Paper on Rising Sea Levels Due to Errors

    FOXNews.com

    Scientists have been forced to retract a paper that claimed sea level were rising thanks to the effects of global warming, after mistakes were discovered that undermined the results.

    NASA

    In a NASA “what-if” animation, light-blue areas in southern Florida and Louisiana indicate regions that may be underwater should sea levels rise dramatically — which may not be as likely as scientists once thought.

    Scientists have been forced to retract a paper that claimed sea level were rising thanks to the effects of global warming, after mistakes were discovered that undermined the results.

    The study was published in Nature Geoscience and predicted that sea levels would rise by as much as 2.7 feet by the end of the twenty-first century.

    The paper also highlighted that it reinforced the conclusions of the U.N.’s controversial Fourth Assessment report, which warned of the dangerous of man-made climate change.

    However, mistakes in time intervals and inaccurately applied statistics have forced the authors to retract their paper — the first official retraction ever for the three-year-old journal, notes the Guardian. In an officially published retraction of their paper, the authors acknowledged these mistakes as factors that compromised the results.

    “We no longer have confidence in our projections for the twentieth and twenty-first centuries, and for this reason the authors retract the results pertaining to sea-level rise after 1900,” wrote authors Mark Siddall, Thomas Stocker and Peter Clark.

    Since the leak of e-mails from the U.K.’s top global warming scientists in early December, many other errors and sloppy mistakes have been uncovered in leading report by the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). Flaws in weather stations have led some to question claims of rising temperatures, sloppy math led to holes in postulates that the Himalayas were rapidly melting and fears of a man-made food shortage in Africa seem unsubstantiated as well.

    Announcing the formal retraction of the paper from the journal, Siddall told the Guardian,, “It’s one of those things that happens. People make mistakes and mistakes happen in science.” A formal retraction was required, rather than a correction, because the errors undermined the study’s conclusion.

    “Retraction is a regular part of the publication process,” he said. “Science is a complicated game and there are set procedures in place that act as checks and balances.”

  98. Foxwood says:

    The Climate Crap scam is being revealed for what it is. How can Obutthole push the EPA to make CO2 a pollutant on false data and lies?

  99. ohiobelle says:

    Fox wrote: Belle, I think WordPress has a problem. Did it tell you you’ve sent duplicate messages?

    No I know when WordPress does that. For some reason this is the only place my computer freezes up. I’ve tried everything and it just doesn’t get any faster when I’m on this site.

  100. Foxwood says:

    AH! your computer freezes up!

    So does mine. I just thought it was my computer. I bet it’s time for VF to make a new blogpost!

  101. ohiobelle says:

    Fox wrote: How can Obutthole push the EPA to make CO2 a pollutant on false data and lies?

    The same way he is shoving healthcare down our throats when he promised to focus on the economy!! He is destroying our country!

  102. Foxwood says:

    I hope we can ram it right back down his. I volunteer to do the job.

  103. ohiobelle says:

    UGH!!!!! My computer just froze up again!!

    I would love to talk about Najibullah Zazi or Colin Powell all night but it would take 10 minutes every time to comment and refresh. I’ll try checking back in a little bit.

    Sorry Fox. We’ll catch up a little bit later.

  104. ohiobelle says:

    Fox wrote: I hope we can ram it right back down his. I volunteer to do the job.

    I will join you!

  105. samiam60 says:

    Hi everyone so good to be back here.

    The VA visit not so good. Seems blood tests showing a rapid acceleration from Oct. 08 tests to today. I knew this was happening and could not get them to see me sooner. I swear I will sucker punch the next idiot I hear pushing for Government Run Health Care. It is biopsy time and believe it or not I have to wait for a letter advising as to when that appointment will be.

    They really do want us to die. This is how America now pays back its Veterans. I am sorry, but I am somewhat bitter tonight.

    On the brighter side of things the job went well today and will be all I had hoped for.

    Looks to be a good day here on the VotingFemale blog. It always is.

  106. Foxwood says:

    Sami, I don’t like this news. I want to ask questions, but I’ll refrain.

    I can give you an opinion, tho. The way VETs are treated is not right. You can’t crap on the men and women that serve our country. It’s BULLSHIT!

  107. samhenry says:

    Sweet Sami – I am so sorry to hear that you may have a difficulty. I will be rooting for you and saying prayers. You are one of the underpinnings of the blog.

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  109. samiam60 says:

    Good Morning once again my Fellow Patriots. A long day today but I had to get this morning greeting off to all of you. 🙂

  110. samiam60 says:

    I have been able to get in and Break the Liberal Language codes. This is vital in debating with Liberals. Here is the link with which you can decypher their coded words.

    http://www.akdart.com/libspeak.html

  111. samhenry says:

    Great article, Sami.

    Actually, the liberals are seeming less as adversaries since the socialists and Marxists have come out from beneath their burkas and from behind closed doors in Congress. I think we can deal with most liberals. I do not consider liberals as progressives. Progressives have evolved from liberals and have set a different, obstinate course – toward the label Socialism.

  112. Foxwood says:

    Sieg Heil und Guten Morgan fellow unAmerican Nazis!
    It’s time to unfurl the Confederate Swastika and fire the cannon!

  113. VotingFemale says:

    Good Morning Sammy! SamHenry! Foxwood!

  114. VotingFemale says:

    I overslept this morning. wow did I sleep well!

    Anyone see the commentary on Obama’s new proposal for an ObamaCare bill?

    The Death Panel is back

  115. VotingFemale says:

    mmm… no activity.

    will go start the blogpost cycle and get some blogposts out…

  116. Foxwood says:

    “The Death Panel is back”

    You have to get rid of the old folk. They are the ones who know real history.

  117. m2 says:

    What’s up guys?

    Here’s an excerpt from NR editorial:
    Obama’s true post-Massachusetts strategy now comes into focus. It wasn’t to engage in good faith with Republicans, who will be handy props at the upcoming health-care “summit.” It wasn’t to “pivot to jobs.” It was to wait until the shock of losing Ted Kennedy’s Senate seat faded enough that he could keep doing what he’d done previously.

  118. rosehips says:

    morning peeps!

    I just got into a discussion about tort reform and death panels yesterday after someone mentioned the predictions for health insurance rate increases. It’s ridiculous! And I was arguing with libs about this. I’m sorry but we cannot afford to keep granny alive an extra 20 days on a machine that costs the taxpayers millions of dollars each year. Unfortunately YOU, nor your doctor, are not the best judge about what your granny’s last few days are worth. To you they are priceless. To taxpayers they are an exhorbitant cost to pay for a few more days on this planet. I am sorry to be so insensitive. I feel for you and granny. I support your effort to keep her alive, as long as WE THE PEOPLE don’t have to foot the cost. It’s a sad reality that the cost of health care has become out of reach for so many Americans. very sad.

  119. Foxwood says:

    In other words… DEATH PANELS!

    DUN DUN TA!

  120. m2 says:

    (more)

    “And, really, what else can Democrats do? “Pivot to jobs”? The job market is outside the short-term control of anyone, and Obama’s only jobs policy is yet more politically poisonous deficit spending. Unless he was going to take a powder this year or compromise with Republicans, which doesn’t interest him or his party, he had to try health care — once more, with feeling.

    Nancy Pelosi should commission a poet as talented as Tennyson to memorialize the impending charge of her former majority makers: “Boldly they rode and well, into the jaws of Death, into the mouth of Hell.”

  121. m2 says:

    Why bother talking about any specific? The fact is, Obamas bill is worse than the senate bill in terms of taxing and rise in rates. He’s got Carter “price controls” and from what I hear that was a disaster, then. And the non taxing on Cadillac plans (originally for unions), would have given enough revenue to keep our elderly Americans decent and comfortable at the end.

    It’s so UN different, the House won’t pass it, and they don’t have the voted to even power shove it with Reconciliation.

    It’s just meant to increase costs so much that insurance goes out of business.

    Fact is: Obama is the absolute worst “President” this country has ever seen, ever.

  122. Foxwood says:

    Good morning Rosey!

    Good morning M2!

  123. m2 says:

    Good morning!

  124. rosehips says:

    morning foxy! morning m2!

    I’ve got to head off to the doctor’s in a little bit. I will be mia for most of the day.

  125. samhenry says:

    ROSE, M2 and MY FOX – good morning all and good morning VF up in the tag cloud trying to focus on some posts

    Rose, I don’t think that anyone of any religious persuasion would want to let granny go on unnecessarily for another week if she in on a machine. That is not comfortable for her. When my father was dying the doctor said: I can keep a lot of needles in him and get him through a couple of more weeks but why don’t we let him go. We did not use extraordinary means in the old days. If in the first few cases carried out under this panel amount to murder then there will be trials. Either is is a question that it is now medically reasonable to withhold care but make someone comfortable or it’s not.

  126. rosehips says:

    btw, my best canadian friend called me from the emergency room the other day. He had a ski accident and broke his collar bone and dislocated his shoulder. I’m not sure why he called me. He was drugged up and apparently doesn’t even remember calling. I gathered this from his email to me the next day. Anyhoo, he has doctor’s appts today and Thurs. I’m sure some of you would love to hear that he suffered for hours before being seen and that he has to wait weeks to see a doctor again. Luckily for my pal, this is not the case. He is being taken care at no extra cost to him. I am so glad he is not strapped with the bills, as he is already in bad financial straights.

    I am also glad that I have health insurance. I am very fortunate. It will only cost me $10 to see my dermatologist. He will most likely burn cancer off my face and maybe some other places. Thank you all who pay taxes to subsidize my health care. You may be saving my face from awful decay.

  127. samhenry says:

    De nada, RH. We are saving face in allowing you to get this treatment. LOL

  128. samhenry says:

    I’m relieved you have health insurance RH. You deserve it – everyone does.

  129. samhenry says:

    I think it will be critical for us to review the guidelines that they come up with and I hope many of them can be reviewed by Congress.

    My worry is this: My brother Jamie had stage 4 lymphoma. He got in a clinical trial he found through the Lance Armstrong Foundation and it put him into two years of remission so far.

    I worry that the panel may say stage 4 lymphoma – go home and rest. Also, I worry that wonderful private hospitals that come up with wonderful treatments may have to close or that Lance Armstrong and other foundations will go out of business.

  130. Foxwood says:

    Didn’t we impeach Clinton for lying about getting a
    Lawinski?

    Hmmmmm… No we find out Obutthole lied. He said he only did one job for ACORN. Now we find out he’s done so much more by admission that he didn’t know was out for the public to see.

  131. m2 says:

    There’s no pt to talking metaphorically anymore. We let Obama have his way on the stimulus even though it was the poorest devised legislation anyone had ever seen.

    No matter what, Obama had outed himself to be wholly malicious, angry, partisan, and looks out for no. 1 at all costs. Number 1 is himself and the money who put him there. He has made our recession deeper and creates chaos as he intended to do from te getgo. What he has done to this nation and continues to do (willfully- because no one is “that dumb”) is evil in it’s purest form.

    If anyone cares about reforming our healthcare, every proposal made by republicans will make it affordable, competitive and accessible while maintaining the highest quality of care the world has ever seen.

    It’s not healthcare or jobs or anything. It’s Obama. He is the most malicious anti-American radical any citizen had witnessed in such a position of power. He lies out of both sides of his mouth and has never been honest to “people”- starting with his campaign as a conservative tax cutter in 2008.

    Why do we even accept without shrills of laughter- a carbon copy version of the Senate plan which has been destroyed in the public arena of opinion, utterly failed and un passable by a Democrat Congress?

    It should be embarrassing to every American that after a year, he comes up with a 3rd plan 4 days before his staged propaganda “meeting”.

    No wonder he couldn’t get a job that’s not being a govt tool.

    I gotta go, lol…

  132. Foxwood says:

    Healthcare reform is fine…

    as long as it’s not government run.

  133. samhenry says:

    If those so-called panels are in, than it will be FOX. The Prez is really big on bigness.

  134. samhenry says:

    It’s back to the rack. Later my mates@

  135. rosehips says:

    m2, as you know I value your opinions and hold them in high esteem. But the statement below I find very naive. If there was a proposal that did all that, I think it would be adopted. I don’t think you can really prove to me that any bill would do all the things you claim.

    I’ve gotta go. see y’all later!

    m2 said: If anyone cares about reforming our healthcare, every proposal made by republicans will make it affordable, competitive and accessible while maintaining the highest quality of care the world has ever seen.

  136. Foxwood says:

    Have you read any Republican proposal, Rose?

    I think not.

  137. Foxwood says:

    I would consider your comment oppinion only, Rosey…

  138. VotingFemale says:

    Good Morning M2! Rosehips! and again to SamHenry!

  139. m2 says:

    Rose, the repub measures would work. I have no doubt. As it is freedom and competition that has made our country quite successful, from everything to Olympians to standard of living for even our poorest.

    What will never work is Obama for one, and for two- his presidency and congress doubly exposes Democrat policies for the lie they are.

    What is causing health increases is nearly a trillion in over procedures by doctors afraid of lawsuits by the Democrat Trial Lawyer Industry. 40% of spending is to cover a physician’s ass. Thank you democrats.

    The regulation by state boundaries against competition is causing premium hikes.
    Thanks Democrats.

    The absolute meltdown of Federal Medicaid and Medicare is the purest example of failure, and
    instead of reforming, Obama and Democrats want to cut benefits and expand the pyramid (Ponzi) to keep it as a false system for however long they can grab the immediate benefits of power collection (until they retire) and leave the mess for the next batch of corruptocrats to hide and lie about.

    Frankly, what’s naive is a liberal not recognizing the failure of democrat policies yet writing off a very different solution with no mention of why it won’t work. Either because one is too partisan to even look at it critically, or maybe just uncomfortable with the idea that the Obama is so lacking in real solutions that if he can’t win, no one can?

    I dunno….
    But I can talk with certainty about what the democrats propose and have propsed on other pieces of legislation, and with certainty and history I can confirm the republicans have proposed a much better solution to this imperative Democrat-mandated “CRISIS”….

    Where have we heard crisis before? Was it when Obama said we have to spend a trillion now or else… ? And yet they only spent less than a third.

    We obviously all know the current true crisis is with Obama’s economic-killing agenda and jobs situation. Healthcare is so easy to amend it’s laughable.

  140. m2 says:

    It just wouldn’t serve Obama’s “purpose” to do what’s right, and remedy the economy which is what he “ran” on. And healthcare (Obama style) is a nice side show with a bonus of adding ultimate leftist corruption and cash until the country-ship sinks entirely…

  141. m2 says:

    Oh and lastly, Dems wouldn’t have tried to sell their plans on the keywords “choice” and “competition” if they didn’t think free-market Conservatism was “the Solution”…

    They know the right way, they usethe right wayto propagandize their wrong/corrupt/damaging way.

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