Hey Obama, the defeat of European Socialism is knockin at your door

obama arrogant

While the State Controlled Obama Media chose to downplay landmark voter voices at the ballot box in Western Europe, something extremely important just happened…

Socialism in Europe

was handed it’s worst defeat

since World War II

because of their Socialist Programs,

such as Government Stimulus Spending

and Corporate Bailouts

Obama thought he would dance the Socialist Tango with his Socialist European Pals as he destroys the US Free Market System.

But what has happened is… those “Obama Pals” have been shown the door and the Red Carpet of Welcome has just been rolled out for Conservatism in Europe.

Ohhhh my, Barack… you ain’t lookin’ too good!

Bring the July 4th TEA PARTIES!

Your Socialism, which Hugo Chevez says is more radical than either his or Fidel’s is gonna get the Boot come the US elections in 2010 and 2012.

What you are doing is paving the way for Conservatives to retake power and play the role of White Knight riding in to save the day

with Sarah Palin leading the way!

Sarah Palin judges Obama a Socialist Failure

Sarah Palin judges Obama a Socialist Failure

Now… lets just have a lil’ ole look-see at what is being reported about the DEFEAT of Socialism in Europe, shall we????



Conservatives score wins in EU parliament voting

By CONSTANT BRAND – 4 hours ago

BRUSSELS (AP) — Right-leaning parties hailed European Parliament victories as a vote against stimulus spending and corporate bailouts, pledging Monday to forge ahead with conservative approaches to the economic crisis.

Socialists said they would rethink their platforms in the wake of heavy defeats.

A record low voter turnout — 43.4 percent — in voting that ended Sunday pointed to enduring voter apathy about the European Union. It was a discouraging sign for EU officials hoping Irish voters will approve stronger powers for the EU in a fall referendum.

Ireland is the only one of the 27 EU nations that must still ratify the reforms.

The European Union said center-right parties were expected to take the most seats — 267 — in the 736-member parliament. Center-left parties were headed for 159 seats. The remainder were expected to go to smaller groupings.

Right-leaning governments were ahead of the opposition in Germany, France, Italy and Belgium, while conservative opposition parties were leading in Britain and Spain.

“You would have expected a protest vote against those governments and for the Socialists to do well. But it didn’t,” said Jackie Davis, an analyst at the European Policy Center, a Brussels think tank.

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361 Responses to Hey Obama, the defeat of European Socialism is knockin at your door

  1. Foxwood says:

    Rose, Why do Europeans and Canadians come here for if their system is so good?

  2. VotingFemale says:

    and… Why do Muslims come here if Shara Law is so good?

  3. VotingFemale says:

    Unfortunately… I can’t stay.

    Early Tee Time! But will be back this afternoon.

    Tee Party Protesters Take it Out On Golf Balls!!!

  4. rosehips says:

    foxy, you are talking about a small percentage who come here. I am not saying their system is perfect…it is far from it. But it is better than ours. Ours works for those who can afford it. But it doesn’t even work well for them. If you have a catastrophic illness or injury, the system can bankrupt you, even if you are insured well. There is too much profit in our health care system. Is it right that people are making money off of your catastrophy?

  5. rosehips says:

    have fun on the greens vf!

  6. Yes, I just got back and my bestest liberal friend says, Oh no I’m not going to the NHS it sux. I’m going ok, so why is that? because the doctors suck. hmmm, i wonder the heck why (i’m thinking) a lot of times they are not dr’s at all but practitioners…


    DO NOT GO DOWN WITHOUT A FIGHT! M2 I SAw your post on the other post and it is true. with socialise medicine, EVERYONE Dies.

    Rose the reason we are taxed to pay other peoples health care is because, illegal immigration emergency room visists are killing border states and the rest of us.
    People who want a free ride from the govt are taxing us to death. I don’t have a problem with taxes, but I do when they are absorbitave and to pay for someone who’d rather NOT work.

    Render to Ceaser what is Cesear’s and Render to God what is Gods. I AM ALL FOR THAT and always have been.

    THe plans of B. Hussein are the ruin america.

    Why do you think the Canadians come here? Not because water is good, but because our Health Care is Number one.

    I agree it needs some tweaking, but not a friggin left wing domestic terrorist Overhaul.

    I gotta go, this is the longest drive by I’ve ever done.

  7. samiam60 says:

    Rose says:
    I have lived in socialized countries and I don’t know why so many Americans are so fearful of social programs that provide for all citizens. What a horrifying concept! Take care of the health of everyone? Eliminate profit to bring down the costs of maintaining good health? Stop pharmaceutical and insurance companies from gouging us? oh no, say it won’t be!

    Do you have any idea of the corruption and malpractice not to mention quality of health care we would have under Government Control?

  8. samiam60 says:

    Rose your invited to stop by here and debate me some more. You are convincing me that it is extremely difficult to get an extreme liberal to look at the other side of the coin.
    Please join me now and log in to wordpress and let your voice be heard. America is changing and now is the time to take a stand and preserve our Freedoms:

  9. hey check out my home page, Tickle Tickle.

  10. Foxwood says:

    It’s alot more than small percentages… They are telling us it doesn’t work… We have the best health care system not to mention economy (until lately). Every one want’s to be here, or knock us down a notch. Obama being one of them.

  11. samhenry says:

    ‘Morning all. Roses – I agree with you that we need health care reform but I also see that in Europe where Socialized medicine works, the population there is not as vast as here. I do believe all people need care. So did my late grandfather who cared for many patients at no cost. One alternative could be to create emergency clinics for those without coverage. They could be government funded but they also could include some volunteer medical participation – the kind you find in organizations like Doctors Without Borders. The world is now here. Let’s recognize it and proceed the way we would helping an overseas problem from the peace corps on up.

  12. samhenry says:

    Sami – well you are my revered ancestor, gray wolf. You’re looking mighty fine. The Obama Administration won’t want to find you and me at their door!

  13. rosehips says:

    foxy, I’m afraid you are very wrong. What do you base your statement on? The WHO rated the world’s health care systems. The US is 37th. but for costs I believe we are #1.


    foxy said: We have the best health care system not to mention economy (until lately).

  14. rosehips says:

    sh, I just know that our system is in shambles and people’s lives are in ruins because costs are out of control. What good is the most state of the art care if few can afford it? It’s a system that works for a select few, yet the very people who are just one catastrophe from bankruptcy will defend it as the best in the world. How many ruined lives does it take to show that our system is failing?

  15. rosehips says:

    hi warranton. I read your blog. I don’t think sotomayor is going to take our guns away. But viva la resistance! I love a good revolution. lol

  16. rosehips says:

    I have to change gears and get into study mode. I have my final this week. later!

  17. samhenry says:

    Rose – I just hope we can, in reviewing healthcare, keep the long range in sight and an overview but then change portions at first – go a few steps at a time – see how they work and then move to the next stage. Otherwise, there will be a big mess. For example my idea of emergency clinics (free) to those without insurance. These would unclog hospital waiting rooms.

    On another level, we really do need to tackle the life changing financial cost of long term care for catastrophic illness like TJ’s. Once we get these areas sketched out, introduce a pilot program and see how it all fits.

    To do a massive overhaul will kill the whole system surely. We will not know how all of the parts will work and interface. It would be like, well, CNN taking iReport website live before it was fully checked out. Website design is a perfect example because on the drawing boards, you cannot know how FULLY how it will all work.

  18. karmahd says:

    Home for lunch, I guess my question still applies, when the government takes over any enterprise it opens up that enterprise to political pandering, second, the government has a terrible history at running businesses!! Look at the Post office, Amtrack and any other business that the government runs, show me ONE that is run efficiently, without politics and one that best serves the people. One only has to look at the way VA hospitals are run to determine the success of a union run health plan.

  19. samhenry says:

    Hi, Karm – what you have said is another reason I am for a slower, measured approach to reform. We really have to unclog the emergency rooms and we need to provide some form of support for those drowning in debt over medical stuff!

    I’m off for lunch before that wolf ancestor of mine gets it. He may be friendly but he gets hungry, too. Oh and I thought of your Sunday choices for late afternoon activity and I have to tell you – at that point western new york lost it’s charm ever so briefly.

  20. karmahd says:

    Samhenry, the one factor that will reduce the current cost of health care would be Tort reform, this is what has driven up the cost of health care, but are you going to get a house and senate that is filled with 90% attorneys to do that?? Short answer NO, estimates from independent poles, show that this could reduce costs by as much as 50%. It is not talked about due to the lawyers in politics would never hurt there own!!

  21. rosehips says:

    I don’t want to see a cap on settlements. Some say they should limit a settlement to $250,000, but I don’t agree. I think limiting what lawyer’s get in a settlement is fine. They are driving up the costs. Why can’t a patient chose whether they will hold a doctor liable? If you want the option to sue for negligence, you can pay extra for insurance. If you want the cost down, sign a waiver. But in the end, the gov’t will probably foot the bill for catastrophic mistakes. there is no right way.

  22. karmahd says:

    This might not be very humane but Rose if you were to look at the number of settlements as compared to amount of people served it is very low, and for the betterment of the whole system, some would surely loose out on financial rewards for doctors mistakes. But tough decisions need to be made, and letting the government run the program is not a pragmatic decision! Doctors in an effort to “cover there asses” order more tests, different treatments to insure that they are not held liable for any mistakes!

  23. karmahd says:

    This web page was the source of one of my Ireports months ago, it has some very UNBIASED info on Obama, take a look, very enlightening!!


  24. Foxwood says:

    And I dissagree as well… You can google it, I don’t need to cite. If GOvernment gets their hands on health care, they can tell you what to do. Google tells us we have the best health care in the world. That is why Euros and Canadians come here. You can watch the news and see that, and I’m not talking about left wing cbs, abs, nbs commie news net and mfnbc…

  25. Foxwood says:

    And I have to dissagree, Rose. The Eros and Canadians come here, because we have the best helth care in the world. Google it, if you want sources.Yes it has problems, but they come here. You socialize health care and the government can tell you what to eat, when you have to exercise, etc. Is that what you want? That is Communism.

  26. rosehips says:

    foxy, I have googled it and I have studied it and you cannot show me a source that states we have the best health care system in the world. Our health care system is one of the worst in the world. I’m sorry that you can’t see that. Only those that can afford our high prices can receive the best care. The rest are left to suffer. foxy, google “best health care in the world” and tell me what you find? I found this:


    and no I don’t want the gov’t telling me what to eat or when to exercise. I think Americans have a moral and civic responsibility to do this. But they won’t because they want to be fat and lazy and have freedom to blog about how socialism is going to be our downfall. But our health care will bankrupt us all if we don’t do something. But I am not really hearing a lot of suggestions except from karma and I don’t think that tort reform is really going to make a huge difference, although it will help. I think the huge profits that insurance companies and the price gouging by the medical industry and ridiculous pharmaceutical costs are our main problems.

    I really need to get to my books.

  27. Foxwood says:

    You can cite what you want, but it’s words that can be edited. Same for me. What will happen when the government owns health care is that they will own us.

    The original intent of the Constitution was to keep the government out of our lives, remember king George. There is nothing in the Constitution about health care. What about abortion (not in the Constitution) and privacy?

    The government will say ‘It’s for your own good that you don’t eat, or that you eat this, or that you have to exercise this many hours a day. The government is overstepping it’s bounds with health care.

    We have the best health care in the world and that is why the masses from socialised contries come here to save their lives.

  28. Foxwood says:

    I can show you sources that we have the best… But you won’t believe it. I can say that, right?

  29. Foxwood says:

    As VF says, we can agree to disagree. If you would like the sources, I can get them to you after work…

  30. samhenry says:

    Rose – SH has made some suggestions for focus. Solutions come after careful review and discussion. I’m not going to begin to try to chart outcomes.

    I do agree with Karm that tort reform would help. There are ways of creating sliding scale and proportions for the legal team and the victim, etc that do not punish someone suing. I have seen reasonable suggestions on this. I wish I had more time to do research.

    I think we do need to pay attention to the health care issue and I think we all need to listen to one another. There can’t be change without that.

  31. rosehips says:

    foxy, I would be interested in your sources. I will concede that America has some of the most advanced medical procedures and technology but to say that because rich people from other countries come here to get care does not address the fact that many millions of Americans are without care because they are priced out of our health care system. If so many Americans can’t afford insurance, how can that be good?
    I think if you had a catastrophic illness, you would see firsthand how our system fails us.

  32. Foxwood says:

    I’ve had catastrophic illnesses and accidents without health care. This was before I had this good job. They system works. I’m sending them one by one to get them published. VFs blog doesn’t allow for multiples.

    But I am aware you will say my sources are suspect. I’ve heard this before. You can’t believe everything because it is published. It works both ways.


  33. Foxwood says:


  34. Foxwood says:

    Maybe we can come to an agreement somewhere… I know from my life experiences before I had health care. I’ve listed others with their experiences.

    I’m just saying, government has no business in health care. It’s not in the Constitution. If you are a Contitutionalist, you will know what I mean. Read the 10th Amendment. We have bastardized the Constitution.

  35. Foxwood says:

    That was lunch… Got to get back to work…

  36. Foxwood says:

    SamH, Karma, I guess I was snubbing… I’m sorry… 😦

  37. samhenry says:

    FOX – you’re not snubbing me, until the rains came I was out toiling in the back 40.

  38. Foxwood says:

    Yeah, but I was trying to save Rosey 🙂 and I didn’t even say hey to you or Karma…

  39. Foxwood says:

    Back to work again…

  40. samhenry says:

    Rosie is saved, FOX. She listens and as she herself says, she is not beyond changing her mind. She really will be rateful for some references to read I feel certain. Aren’t you glad you are in the company of a couple of good hearted flexible liberals? Actually some of my views are quite conservative. I am a Republican apres tout.

    Speaking of the party, I hope that there will be some strong candidates from which to pick for Prez. I give Palin wide berth and a platform but I was not happy with the way she could set people against one another over certain issues. I also felt she needed more experience. She’s getting it now but I would feel better if it went on for many more months.

  41. samhenry says:

    Face it, the gulf between the haves and the have nots has gotten is even wider.

  42. samhenry says:

    Hey, Rose, when you get back on – any reaction to that book on radicals?

  43. samhenry says:

    Have to get over the the animal hospital and pick up some special dog food. The Jack Russell Terrier has a weight problem – Sam Henry likes her food so it is all very expensive here. Later

  44. rosehips says:

    ok, foxy. thanks for all the links. I have been careful not to tout or talk up Canada’s system because I know there are major problems and I have seen it. My friend had surgery on his foot and the doctors left a piece of metal in his foot accidently and he’s had major problems with it. There are a lack of doctors there and equipment but as someone commented on one of the blogs, here in the US we don’t have a lack of facilities, so we shouldn’t have that problem, right? I suppose there will be less doctors eventually if they cannot get wealthy from a career in medicine, but what will they do instead? Eventually the good doctors will realize that even if they only get paid $250,000/yr, it is better than other professions.

    I think it could be possible to improve upon Canada’s system. Why not have for pay services for those who can afford them? I am not opposed to that.

    I still think we need to create a culture of health in our society. It is so much more cost effective to maintain good health than to cure bad health.

    I think genes contribute a lot, but diet and exercise are important to maintaining healthy lives.
    We should work to eliminate all the contaminants that are polluting our air, water and food. The increase in cancers and other diseases are directly attributed to high levels of contaminants.
    Antibiotics are the scourge of our medical industry. Doctors should be sanctioned for overprescribing them.

    In the past 5 years I got sick enough to miss work only twice. I had the best attendance record of any of my fellow workers. I rarely go to doctor’s and have only been admitted to the hospital once in my life. I know I’ve been lucky. I am also fortunate to have state subsidized health insurance. I only pay $30/mo and my son is covered for free. But I know that one catastrophy is all it could take for me to deplete everything I have. I hate to be that vulnerable.

    foxy, I am curious how you paid for your medical catastrophy if you did not have medical coverage.

  45. rosehips says:

    sh, I am shifting gears and need to prepare for my final this week so the “Rules for Radicals” will be on the back burner. I have read the beginning and I find Saul Allinsky a bit arrogant so far. I like that he emphasizes the need to maintain a sense of humor while creating revolution. I agree with him on that.

    I intend to read it with a very critical eye. I want to see if Obama is practicing any of the things he suggests.

  46. samhenry says:

    An afternoon chuckle from Flip Wilson as Geraldine and Bing Crosby:

  47. karmahd says:

    Finally the focus is where it needs to be!!


    “Obama initially offered his stimulus plan as a way to put people back to work, a promise that 3.5 million jobs would be saved or created. The administration’s predictions that unemployment would rise no higher than 8 percent already have been shattered”.

  48. karmahd says:

    Tracking Obama’s promises
    Promise Kept
    Promise Broken
    In the Works
    No Action

    PolitiFact will be tracking Barack Obama’s promises during his presidency and will be rating the progress of each one. >>more

  49. samhenry says:

    Patience, patience – I think I may have uploaded this for you before. When Sarah Palin said the other day that to reduce military spending was a sign of weakness, I found our first point of agreement:


  50. samhenry says:

    My homemade truthometer indicates that the line between fiction and truth is blurring. Did you read where Prez’s uncle landed on Omaha Beach but 6 weeks after D-Day. His chief advisor when interviewed shortened that to his uncle landed on omaha beach. It’s all in the editing I guess.

  51. Foxwood says:

    Rose said,
    “I still think we need to create a culture of health in our society. It is so much more cost effective to maintain good health than to cure bad health.”

    I won’t deny that.

    Rosey said
    “foxy, I am curious how you paid for your medical catastrophy if you did not have medical coverage.”

    I had to get a government grant.

  52. samhenry says:

    Rosie – when I was in school (public) they taught what was called home economics. One thing you learned was about healthy eating – the food groups, etc. To get the kids today to eat well, we have to go back to these basics. We have a terrible education system and it shows up all over the place – even in lack of motivation.

  53. Foxwood says:

    I found a site. It’s definitely bias, so take it for what it’s worth.


  54. samhenry says:

    Fox – I am leery about sites with input of info from almost any source. Fascinating, though.

  55. Foxwood says:

    That’s what I was trying to tell Rose. All sites need to be questioned. In my case, even conservative sites need to be questioned. That is why I rarely cite sources. Just because it’s on the internet doesn’t mean its right.

  56. VotingFemale says:

    Gee… isn’t Conservatism great? You just let the Socialists fall on the swords of their own making then come in and fix it all and be heros!!!

    What a Country!


    There is so much bad news for the Socialists it is laughable..

    The USA is a Major Muslim Nation… No longer a Christian Nation… God what insane crap that guy has been infected with by the Radicals who raised him from childhood…

    Poor guy… and he could have been raised conservative under different circumstances… and been a major force of good instead of misguided EVIL…

    Demonizing the White Race is the single biggest F-UP he ever made… it is Pure RACISM; STRAIGHT UP!

  57. samhenry says:

    Speaking of Health, The Lance Armstrong Foundation and the Livestrong program saved my youngest brother’s life. Here is the video he made of his journey back into life:

  58. VotingFemale says:

    Wow SamH!!!

    Great Video… I was not aware of the Lance Armstrong Foundation.

    Life is about living… and your Brother is a Model of strength and courage… God bless him…

  59. samhenry says:

    Thank you very much VF. My brothers and I got a lot of our survival skills from our Dad’s long battle. He was a brilliant man with a great sense of humor that allowed us to deal with his personality changes. In the midst of 2 major depressions, I survived by remembering his strength and what he wanted for us. He did not want us to give up. It got my other brother through Vietnam. Dad was a famous test pilot in his day; Jamie is an airline pilot; Sandy is a retired military officer/helicopter pilot (our Dad tested one of the prototypes); and I, well, I am a white knuckle flier. Of that my brother Sandy said: “You will take a horse over a fence but you are frightened of flying. Guess which is more dangerous”? Love them all and again, my thanks for your appreciation. It’s a group effort in my family.

  60. samhenry says:

    I’m off to get dog food – very late. I don’t want them to eat me.

  61. Foxwood says:

    I’d ask how you did VF, but I cringe when balls are being whacked.

  62. VotingFemale says:

    Thanks for the response SamHenry… sometime we should compare notes on flying…

    Fox, I lost the match but still had a great time…

    My golfing girlfriend I play with during the week and I are pretty evenly matched so no one gets the lions share of the wins…

    It was a Blast!!!!

  63. VotingFemale says:

    Supreme Court told Obama… Ohhh No you don’t…. issued an injunction to halt the Chrysler/Fait Deal and the screwing over of Senior first line creditors to throw the money to UAW….

    What a Country!!!!

    Now lets see what the Supreme Court comes up with as a decision on Obama throwing away Rule of Law for “empathic” “socialist” reasons…


  64. hey Vf, great post as usual! I just saw a good one on jcscuba’s.

    On your post yesterday, I drove by and threw out my thoughts on this socialized crap, but we soon moved on here. I don’t know if rose read what I wrote then or not. ho hum. maybe she’ll (Or anyone else that thinks SOCIALIZED anything will be good for AMERICA) catch that one ON jcscuba’s post.

    Where is ROSE? I’d like for her to read it.

  65. Foxwood says:

    If you believe in the Constitution, if you’ve read the Constitution, you can’t believe our country would be ran better with Socialism. The free market system is what built these Unites States. I’m researching to see if the Constitution is still being taught in school. Maybe it is, but being taught as a piece of ancient history.

    The Constitution clearly states that it it’s not in the Constitution, it goes to the states and the people. Where Mr. Obama, does it say health care? I guess privacy is only a concern if you want an abortion.

  66. samiam60 says:

    Concerning Rose, everything she suggests for our healthcare system would just be great. Fact is we don’t live in Utopia and the Human Race is Far from it.

  67. samiam60 says:

    Have you not Heard, have you not seen what is happening to Our America

    It is time to Wake Up America and speak with a Loud Voice

    Do not let your Freedoms slip into the Night

    Fight for the Freedoms of our Forefathers and the blood that was shed to keep us Free


    Socialism comes to us as a thief in the night!

    Stand up and Speak out today for the Freedom we have all taken for granted

    It is time to take Our Stand against the obvious move toward Socialism

  68. samiam60 says:


  69. Foxwood says:

    I have liberal friends in which we get in some heated discutions. One I have nearly convienced. He still thinks if it were a Utopia Communism would work. The problem with Communism and it’s sister Socialism is corruption is more prevalent than in Capitalism. But they only see the corruption in Capitalism, so they want “Change”.

  70. Foxwood says:

    And the congregation said Amen!

  71. samiam60 says:

    Hope this link is ok. If not VF will have to delete it. It sure is funny and so true to life.

  72. VotingFemale says:

    Fox… they are seeing change… with more to follow… the BILL has not arrived in the mail box for all this… useless waste of money…

    Obama is so screwed it is pathetic… course we are too but we are strong and will revive…

    But Obama will go down as the Anti-Christ… and that I do not envy him…

    The people still backing him up unquestioningly will become pariah


    I had to say this it reminded me of something M2 said one time…

  74. Foxwood says:

    That is funny Sam.

  75. samiam60 says:

    Warrantonegirl, Better yet use Common Sense it totally derails their thought process. By the way I will check out your post now.

  76. samiam60 says:

    WG, that is one fine piece you have assembled over there. I would encourage everyone to visit this post for sure.

  77. samiam60 says:

  78. arlenearmy says:

    VF one of the many things I like about you is that you’re quick on your feet.

    Your comment:
    “and… Why do Muslims come here if Shara Law is so good?”

  79. Foxwood says:

    Fitting song Sam.

    WG, not sure which one to read, so I read both. They were both good.

  80. samiam60 says:

    Hi Arlene good to see you

  81. arlenearmy says:

    Fox, a better question to Rose would had been:


    If Europeans and Canadians come here if their system is so good, then why is Obama World going backwards?

  82. arlenearmy says:

    Sam &Fox
    Ive been away for a few days.. had company over & went fishing at the lake.

  83. samhenry says:

    Great post WG. We are at the beginning of the end of the United States as we have known it that’s for sure.

    The only way the current administration will get the message about spending is this:

    INVITE A LIBERAL TO LUNCH; TELL THE WAITRESS TO GIVE THE BILL TO HIM/HER. Then leave with a broad Obama grin on your face and say sweetly, “we must do this again sometime until I’ve saved enough money to pay my taxes.”

  84. guys, you won’t believe this, I’m doing a post on it now. a girl through the homeschool email sent me an email about socialism and I sent back to her and asked, “what do you think of this”, that is all I asked and she sent me this great, huge email back, so i’m taking her name out and i’m preparing a post for it now. God, I hope some liberals read my post…

    Ya’ll pray. I mean I know we all are wishing and praying the same thing.

    Are there any people on here promoting B. Hussein?


  85. samhenry says:

    I love fishing Arlene. I envy you. Foxie, I’m sorry I did not acknowledge you. I consider that you are the spirit that guides us all hourly.

  86. Foxwood says:

    I don’t understand it Arlene. And it alot of other people. The evidence is there and they refuse to see.

  87. arlenearmy says:

    Im sure as hell not promoting Hussein.

  88. samiam60 says:

    Ruff, Ruff

  89. samhenry says:

    ahoooooooooooooo, ancestor, ahooooooooooooooo.

  90. samhenry says:

    Hi Sami – Eve of destruction – we’re there again. What is it with us. Was it the fact that we faced the unknown of this continent that has made us permanently afraid of the unknown? We can shape our own destiny more than we know. I sometimes think we have an obsession with being victims.

  91. arlenearmy says:

    bbl … we are going to watch a movie called – Doubt.

  92. Foxwood says:

    SH said,
    “Foxie, I’m sorry I did not acknowledge you. I consider that you are the spirit that guides us all hourly.”

    I’m doing too much multitasking. I think I missed something.

  93. samhenry says:

    FOX, naaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

  94. Foxwood says:

    I gotta run also. I gotta finish my research. You might try hitting me over the head, SamH. I’ve totally lost it.

  95. samhenry says:

    Here is the on-line Encyclopedia Britannica definition of a special interest group:

    nterest group
    political sciencealso called special interest group or pressure group

    any association of individuals or organizations, usually formally organized, that, on the basis of one or more shared concerns, attempts to influence public policy in its favour. All interest groups share a desire to affect government policy to benefit themselves or their causes. Their goal could be a policy that exclusively benefits group members or one segment of society (e.g., government subsidies for farmers) or a policy that advances a broader public purpose (e.g., improving air quality). They attempt to achieve their goals by lobbying—that is, by attempting to bring pressure to bear on policy makers to gain policy outcomes in their favour.


    Now think of the Obama website and the work they are doing between elections:

    They encourage you to organize with other into groups interested in various issues. They encourage hosting of meetings and/or attending them.

  96. samhenry says:

    The mybarackobama.com website is an instrument that stands behind members and encourages their active promotion of policies and the contact of representatives.

    That is either conflict of interest or a special interest group. I believe that this and other websites like it need to be considered in the context of the on-line world of today as it reflects the real world. I believe there is a strong case that this is a special interest group.

  97. samhenry says:

    PS mybarackobama.com is NOT the official website of the Democratic Party. It is the official site of a former candidate used as an organizational tool during the election. Its continuation is suspect.

  98. samhenry says:

    VF please comment on the above when available. TX.

    Goodnight all. The ole dawg is heading to the hay with the JRT.

  99. Hey everyone, sorry for driving by and leaving. Serves me right, everyone is gone now. Oh well I hope when you guys check back you’ll read what I say here.

    Ok, fox, et al morb posted on my lines in the sand post and I’m not sure what he meant…exactly. O well, I raked him over the coals tho. I guess you never know what goes on in someones life for them tohave the views they do, so I’m judging not lest I be judged…

  100. samhenry says:

    Whaaa – is that Warrant? You move so fast and throw out so many good ideas I had better get on-star installed on my computer so that I can get help in case our ideas run into each other.

  101. karmahd says:

    Drive by posting…….Hello all, good discussion, and as always to the point, sorry I missed all of you, Karma

  102. karmahd says:

    Samhenry, the world is changing but I do not believe the United States is at the end of any era, some pragmatic changes must be made in our system, but they all lead to more freedom not less, but as always it is always darker before the dawn.

    The rally call is coming now, I have hope that even the most ardent blind admirer of our current president will see that the course of action is riddled in false promises and self serving gain. The arrogance of the new administration will be its downfall, we are being played as the fool, and that might happen once, but never again.

    Time for a change is still the war call, and that change involves new leadership and the downfall of the democratic party, and with much hope and luck a move to the center of the republican party.

    We as a nation are tired of the lies, the half truths, the broken promises, we are watching, we are waiting, we are taking action…Karma always is returned!

  103. samhenry says:

    Thanks, Karm. I will rest easily tonight.

  104. karmahd says:

    One of my favorite songs!

  105. karmahd says:

    This one hits home

  106. karmahd says:

    Last one and a beautiful song, best saved for a beautiful person at a beautiful moment… Night all

  107. karmahd says:

    Woops one more pretty one!

  108. Foxwood says:

    I know everyone is in bed. I’m looking at the school curriculum in several states, and I can’t find history books. If I could get some help from my fellow bloggers, I’ve looked in Texas and California so far, and it’s like the school systems don’t want you to know what they teach. I will have better access to the Louisiana school system tomorrow, but that’s just one state.

  109. The Voices of America – Being Bold, Being Strong, Amen Sarah!

  110. samhenry says:

    Karm – well these are not lullaby’s and I had just settled into a spirit of hope.

    The sexton poem/song is hauntingly beautiful but dark. I guess I have been too depressed at times myself to come close to that undertow.

    Then the anger behind the blue eyes. There is mystery in both – a hiding – a search for

    The first part of song 2 is confessional but the last is pleading for help – from another. However, in the context of the song that works. In the context of life, it is the blue-eyed one who has to help himself/herself with others standing by to be sure but not there to take the hard hits of the one who is suffering and moving toward salvation.

    Song three is also hard hitting. Aside from the lyricism of the first dark piece, the others are both very hard hitting. It is as if true peace has a kind of dark depth to it (the Sexton poem). And perhaps the hard hitting blue-eyed persona is a rant against a darkness that seems the only salvation. There is no light in all of this. I like tmusical choices to visit. I would not like to live there. I could not. And there is no humble resignation anywhere – just either anger or despair. I am reminded of the line from my favorite English Anthem “pray for the peace of Jerusalem that she may prosper….” Here is the traditional seat of pain and struggle but we continue to pray for peace there – the hope lives.

    I have known great darkness but I cannot live in songs or in novels or in places that are dark. I keep swimming toward the light and the peace. Give me Pin Ball Wizard! It’s uplifting in a strange kind of way.

  111. samhenry says:


    Here is a wonderful story about overcoming adversity. I live by its tenants. I heard echoes of it on the Normany beach heads last week:

  112. Foxwood says:

    Specifically I’m looking to find what they teach of the Constitution. I find several blogs that say their kids don’t learn the Constitution (maybe that’s saying something in itself), but I go to the dept. of education of the states and I can’t find the books.

  113. samhenry says:

    Foxy – I will look into this. Word is they just don’t teach this stuff anymore. Hey, my niece graduated from a high school in Rhode Island and didn’t know what an Atlas was – a pretty common reference book – so they don’t even know where they are on the map! I will check out New York State.

  114. samhenry says:

    Fox – New York State requires students to complete a state-wide regents examination (I think California does this as well). Here is the url to the overview of the exam that includes a very detailed exam in US History and Government.


    For the other states, you may have to go to the local level to get curriculum information. It may depend on how the education system is set up in each state.

  115. samhenry says:

    Fox – I just went to the websites of a couple of local schools. I will provide the urls. These days, it isn’t always the text book we are looking for, it is a database. However, in one of the schools, the website takes you down to the classroom level and there are reading lists for each. Lists are blank now because it is summer. I believe you really have to contact the curriculum office of each school. This is why there is such diversity of educational opportunity in the US today. Think of the outdated text books, lack of websites and other tech training that go on in many school districts. Then you have home schooling. Now in states that allow home schooling, they tend to list what needs to be taught so you may find lists there. In short, there is not general country wide standard. Education is left up to the states.

  116. samhenry says:

    Geneseo Central School Website


    Brighton Central School Website – each school in this district has its own website but this is the general site for the district:


  117. arlenearmy says:

    Well, VF & all .. Im getting ready for bed.

    1. I want to add that soon we will hear the “Blame Bush” chant for EU turning its back of socialism.

    2. To illustrate how far this ‘blame bush’ syndrome has brain washed folks, the other day our liberal acuaintance swears that Bush was the 1 who got injured in the Cheney hunting accident. We bloggers know that such is not true. But we can see that some folks can’t think for themselves.

  118. samhenry says:


    Headline for the above: Poll shows Muslims in Britain are the most anti-western in Europe

    · Attitude resembles public opinion in Islamic nations


    The number of Muslims in Britain is generally put at around 1.5 million, though some community groups suggest it could be nearer two million.

    Perhaps half came originally from Pakistan, with the Middle East and North Africa accounting for around a quarter. Several hundred thousand originated in Bangladesh, with India also contributing significant numbers.

    The largest Muslim communities are in Greater London, the West Midlands, West Yorkshire, Lancashire and central Scotland. Most belong to the Sunni tradition of Islam, which accounts for 90% of Muslims worldwide. Only a small proportion of British Muslims are Shi’as.

    hey continue to face discrimination and disadvantage: Bangladeshis and Pakistanis together have a long-term unemployment rate nearly three times greater than people of West Indian descent. In the inner cities, nearly half of all Bangladeshi and Pakistani adults are out of work.

    Muslims in Britain should be able to live under sharia, says top judge
    Muslims in Britain should be able to live according to Sharia, the country’s most senior judge has said.


    This headline is most chilling:

    Muslim Labour MP Predicts Total Islamification of Britain Within 30 Years

    by sheikyermami on March 19, 2009

    Because every Muslim is a soldier of Allah who is religiously obliged to make the world Islamic. Muslims do not invade Western countries to become Westerners, Muslims arrive on our shores to make US Islamic.The people of Britain cannot say that they have not been warned.

    Barack Obama is aware of the Muslims in Britain and the above predictions. Perhaps this is why his first visit to Britain found him and Michelle less that enthusiastic about following protocol when meeting the Queen. That Barack’s good friend, Sarkozy did not invite the Queen (a member of the military during WWII) is beyond reproach but with the large Muslim in France, it was watch what is not being said and done as well as what is being said and done.

  119. samiam60 says:

    Good Morning all. Hate to wake everyone up this morning with this Headline. North Korea is warning of a Nuclear Offensive.

  120. Foxwood says:

    Yeah, I looked into the curriculum of the Texas, Louisiana and California systems and could not find the history books they teach with.

    I looked at your NYC link and found a curriculum link, but not the books they teach with. The school links simply say ‘no books added yet’.

    I’m going to look at the dept of ED of other states and see what I can find. I don’t want to sound conspiratorial yet.

  121. Foxwood says:

    I bet Obama had to change his BVDs this morning, SamI

  122. samiam60 says:

    3 AM phone call for sure

  123. samiam60 says:

    Did our liberal left wing President get this phone call yet?


  124. samiam60 says:

    Foxwood said: I bet Obama had to change his BVDs this morning, SamI

    Naw Fox, its not Date Night

  125. VotingFemale says:

    SamHenry… here is my read…

    Obama is a Community Organizer… to this day… a personally involved and promoting special interests organizer as a political tool and weapon to influence law makers… That he is president seems not enough for him… he still fans the flames of division by active cultivation, through the use of his personal website, of leading and directing special interests groups.

    He was elected the President of the country which belongs to All Americans… thus he is violating his responsibilities by remaining a Special Interests Community Organizer at the same time he is President… and in his arrogance he dares anyone to call him on it… after all he is a minority, right?

    This approach of his using race as an offensive weapon is already backfiring on him…. it is bad behavior… and it is strengthening folks to stand up to the use of race as an offensive weapon with which to club people into submission.

    He really is clueless about the greater impact of his behavior… and too arrogant to stop it.

    And too much of an ant-white racist to get past his racial hatred.

    And nothing he says or does can make a particular race bad. There is no such thing as a “bad” race or a “good” race.

    There are good and bad behaviors.

    White babies are not born with “Original Race Sin.” and can not be demonized without those doing the racial demonizing becoming racists… thus demonstrating that which is bad behavior.

    Obama is a Racist; Straight Up.

  126. samiam60 says:

    VF, a Muslim Racist with 0 Tolerance

  127. VotingFemale says:

    Good Morning Fox and Samiam!

  128. karmahd says:

    SH Love the breakout on the songs, gotta run and I will write more maybe at lunch, Karma, Everyone have a good day!!

  129. samiam60 says:

    Good morning VF and so good to see you my friend. Let us not forget Joe Biden’s words:

  130. VotingFemale says:

    Hi and bye Karma!

  131. samiam60 says:

    Have a Great Day Karmahd

  132. VotingFemale says:

    Joe Biden has the propensity of unabashed honesty in what he says.

    Cant fault him for that… but politically he drives Obama insane!


  133. samiam60 says:

    Gee, I wonder if Joe Biden is hiding in his Top Secret Bunker at the Naval Observatory in Washington, D.C.

  134. m2 says:

    I have found that most people revert to their “experience” in times of leadership/peril/stress….
    and this statement is spot-on, VF. Obama was never challenged beyond his ability to agitate and divide, that is what he has been “used” for (perhaps to his own detriment), and thus, never experiencing anything of true character-building, or learning from the experiences of all groups- not 1 “group”… (well I’d say he represents 2 groups, the socially “percieved” downtrodden, and the Special Interest Elitists)… having only experience within these 2 circles and using/bouncing each to his own advantage—He does not have the breadth of range, or scope to truly Lead the people, nor the world.

    VF said: Obama is a Community Organizer… to this day… a personally involved and promoting special interests organizer as a political tool and weapon to influence law makers… That he is president seems not enough for him… he still fans the flames of division by active cultivation, through the use of his personal website, of leading and directing special interests groups.

  135. samhenry says:

    Hi VF, Fox, Sami, and M2

    Thank you very much for your feedback VF. So should I contact someone in National Republican Headquarters – or whooooooooo – to put Obama’s feet to the fire on the website and close it down until election?

    Fox – As I said, you will need to call the curriculum office of a school. They don’t list books because they change each year. But if you look at the questions on the regents exam in NY re history, that will tell you what they have to know. Only the curriculum office can let you know where to go in the school or school system to find out the texts. They order these books from a vendor. Trust me on this one as a former librarian, this is the only way you can go to get answers. A good school system will be updating its texts.

  136. samhenry says:

    Sami – Biden has lost his bunker privileges that is why he gave the location away. He is hiding elsewhere – perhaps Delaware or at Barbara Streisand’s house. She has a bunker cum recording studio.

  137. rosehips says:

    good morning all ye conservative extremist conspirerers of evil plots to overthrow our democratically elected majority of liberal lawmakers striving to change the very fabric of American culture and politics by injecting their socialist agendas into everything they do and say and stooping to the lowest form of exploitation by victimizing their black brothers and sisters in the most evil form of racism, that of reverse racism that places all the sins of the white man’s ancestors squarely on the back of the already overburdened, overweight, donut-eating, beer-drinking, balding, underpaid, sexually depraved white man.

  138. rosehips says:

    looks like it’s gonna be a great day!

  139. samhenry says:

    Rose – every person, every country is capable of evil. When Obama was at the concentration camp talking evil with wincing German politicos, he elicited in my mind the image of the same thing happening in Africa. The Klu Klux Klan is part and parcel of this mentality. Else, you opening salvo is hilarious!

  140. samiam60 says:

    Hi VF, M2, SamHenry, and Rosehips. Hope everyone is doing well this day.

  141. samhenry says:

    ahwoooooooooooooooooooooo ancestor.

  142. Foxwood says:

    SamH said,
    “As I said, you will need to call the curriculum office of a school”

    Thanks, I’ll start making calls, I felt like I was slamming my head in the wall.

  143. Foxwood says:

    Rose said,
    “good morning all ye conservative extremist conspirerers of evil plots to overthrow our democratically elected majority of liberal lawmakers striving to change the very fabric of American culture and politics by injecting their socialist agendas into everything they do and say and stooping to the lowest form of exploitation by victimizing their black brothers and sisters in the most evil form of racism, that of reverse racism that places all the sins of the white man’s ancestors squarely on the back of the already overburdened, overweight, donut-eating, beer-drinking, balding, underpaid, sexually depraved white man.”


  144. rosehips says:

    community organizing is not a bad thing. It’s a beautiful thing. People becoming empowered by active participation in local politics and organizing is a natural start for future political organizers, bureaucrats, and elected legislators. I don’t think that President Obama is directing any community organizers. His websites are part of the DNC’s active arm of their internet outreach program. They have several websites that help to connect people with issues that concern them and give them a voice in their local communities while pushing the party agendas. I think these sites are coordinated by DNC staff and Obama may or may not have input into what they do. I doubt if he is really directing the effort.

  145. Foxwood says:

    I might get to argue with you later today Rose, 😦 no time right now.

  146. Foxwood says:

    Did I say argue? I meant debate… 🙂

  147. samhenry says:

    Rose – I respectfully disagree. I am on the list of the Obama website. Believe me when legislation comes up he favors, there is a call to action and suggested tactics. This kind of thing belongs on the Party website, not on one with the President’s name on it. He is keeping his group in place for the next election (Presidential) but also to direct action for Congressional candidates. I really think this should not be activity allowed a sitting President. It meets the definition of a special interest group.

  148. samiam60 says:

    Good Morning rosehips, Perhaps you might want to reconsider this again:

  149. Foxwood says:


    have you read alinsky yet?

  150. rosehips says:

    sh, okay. Well I pretty much ignore all the dnc emails and websites. I wonder how many people really pay those sites any attention? I do get letters from the Prez, VP, Michelle, and other high profile dems but I don’t even read them. They do have a well-oiled propaganda machine and I am not climbing on their bus. I still am not convinced that Obama directs the show, but maybe he just chooses the kool-aid flavor.

  151. Foxwood says:

    I swear, she does it to get my blood pressure up… 🙂

  152. m2 says:

    rose, you said the “status-quo” on healthcare isn’t working… isn’t that a term employed by the selling of socialized care right now. I’m hearing that all over from Democrat heads and talking points. Obama himself.

  153. Foxwood says:

    I’m gonna have to take the blue pill, SamI

  154. rosehips says:

    foxy, no I have yet to really delve into allinsky. I have a final this week and want to concentrate on passing my course, so I may read a little here and there, but after Friday I will have a break from school and will have more time for leisurely reading. of course I could be reading it right now, but that would be less fun.

  155. samiam60 says:

    Just a little something to lighten the mood.

  156. rosehips says:

    m2, I’m not sure if the term “status-quo” is being used as a talking point. I wouldn’t be surprised as it makes a good point.

    Obama isn’t really offering any sweeping changes or single payer health care like Canada and some European countries have. He is just proposing government administered insurance to compete with private insurers. What I don’t like is that they want to mandate that everyone gets insurance. That will be a nightmare.

    I still prefer a single-payer system. I found this group of health care workers who support it. Here’s an excerpt from an article by a doctor who wrote a “memo to Obama”:

    “Let me be direct. Although we have many dedicated health professionals, an abundance of the latest technologies, and many fine hospitals, health care has become just another commodity to be bought and sold in a deregulated market based on ability to pay, not medical need. As you well know, industry profits handsomely from the status quo, raking in money through insurance, pharmaceuticals, medical devices, and so on. Industry has a war chest to defend itself and demonstrates its political power each time any new reform is brought up.

    But the situation has become dire. There is no end in sight in controlling health care costs as they soar upwards at three or four times the cost of living and family incomes. We have had three decades of incremental attempts to rein in costs, including managed care and consumer-directed health care. None have worked. We have a solution in plain sight — single-payer National Health Insurance (NHI). Market stakeholders are fighting it fiercely, but it’s the only real reform that has a chance to work.”
    -John Geyman MD.

  157. m2 says:

    the notion of community organizing might have a good connotation rose. The reality is, Obama used it as a catalyst to employ a Socialist-Marxist takeover, not to help- as in he has no results from all that “experience” of “community organizing”.

  158. rosehips says:

    yeah, m2…there’s the “status quo” term used above.

  159. rosehips says:

    There is someone sleeping on my couch, so I am not viewing any vids right now.

  160. m2 says:

    Get ready folks, they’re about to turn the united states into the slum-government controlled states. And their healthcare will be the nail in the coffin.

  161. m2 says:

    that’s a good one, there’s text on screen- you can view without audio.

  162. m2 says:

    I’m not surprised, I have seen this over and over and over… on tv, on ireport… which each major deletion of liberties, the WH sends trite talking-points and people repeat this garbage. It happened with Stimulus (where did that get us? Over 9.4% unemployed, when he said it would top out at 8.), It happened with Omnibus, it happened with the Budget, and now they are utilizing their crisis of opportunity to finish us off. And finishing us off for good would be “healthcare”.

    rosehips says: yeah, m2…there’s the “status quo” term used above.

  163. Foxwood says:

    Rose said.
    “foxy, no I have yet to really delve into allinsky. I have a final this week and want to concentrate on passing my course,”

    Get your schooling done… Don’t let them indoctrinate you too much tho… 🙂

  164. rosehips says:

    latest Supreme Count decision wont allow judges to sit on cases that involve big donors that helped them get elected. gee. imagine that. The decision was made by a 5-4 margin. Roberts, Scalia, Alito and Thomas all dissented, essentially saying that its ok for judges to be put in a conflict of interest. Here’s an excerpt from an article in the LA Times:

    Supreme Court says judges can’t rule in cases involving own big donors
    The risk — and look — of bias is too great, the Supreme Court decides in a 5-4 ruling. Chief Justice Roberts dissents along with Scalia, Thomas and Alito.
    By David G. Savage
    June 9, 2009
    Reporting from Washington — The U.S. Supreme Court put elected judges on notice Monday that they must step aside from deciding cases involving big-money donors who helped them win their jobs.

  165. samiam60 says:

    M2 thank you for telling it like it is in the Real World and standing firm for what is right.

  166. Foxwood says:

    Not a good video… FOR OBAMA!

  167. m2 says:

    wow, if we didn’t have a state run media, maybe they [media] would have investigated his record and “results” as an Illinois Senator, seeing how I don’t see 1 thing he’s done well. And he’s supposed to “change” the world for the “better”. Give me a break.

    His book that he loves so much is a reflection on who he is. Even if people were genuine about helping the downtrodden, I wouldn’t take it from Alinsky- the way he writes is divisive and evil. His whole theme is the immorality of the “road” has no forbearance on the justified results.

  168. Foxwood says:

    Without competition in healthcare (privatization), prices will only go up. Privatization allows a competitor to give the same product or service for a better price.

    The government never takes less.

  169. m2 says:

    yes, the government takes takes takes… they lie cheat and steal, they bloat and bloat and eliminate our personal choices in life to live as we wish. To be who we want. The path of our own destiny of OUR choosing. They don’t create jobs. They create misery. They create debt. They create lower standards of living.

    The federal gov’t will be forced to reign in for their lying, for their stealing, for their excessive power-manipulation. The people will not let this go on for much longer. The big gov’t players, Obama and co. will be voted out, just like in the EU… and we will return to SANITY!

  170. m2 says:

    With the combination of big doner Justices on the Conservative side and the racist nominee on the Liberal side, it’s laughable… because Obama utilizes/benefits the most from Big Money, and he’s racist.

  171. samhenry says:

    This ole dawg needs to go to bed and catch up for some lost hours. I heard on TV today lack of sleep can lead to diabetes, high blood pressure, etc. No thanks, I choose sleep. I’m having my sleep machine tuned so I can use that. Hat it.

  172. m2 says:

    Sleep is very health for you SH. And it’s true about the blood pressure. It also helps the heart muscle. When Elena was a tot and got up all hours of the night, I would wake up with skyrocketing blood pressure.

    I love sleep, and naps!

  173. m2 says:

    I got work to do and an errand to run, take care all!

  174. Foxwood says:

    The Constitution clearly states, if it’s not in the Constitution, the matter is up to the states and the people. Healthcare is not in the Constitution.

    Obama’s taking care of that tho. WHEN you take, not IF (because Obama put a provision in the bill that states you have to take it), you take state bailout, you will have no states’ rights.

  175. samiam60 says:

    Joe Biden makes the news again today.
    Ah, the Sharpness of a Liberal Mind:


  176. Foxwood says:

    Joe needs a late nite show. It would be a hoot!

  177. rosehips says:

    sorry guys. been distracted. did vf take off golfing w/o telling us?

    the gaff by biden is no big deal. What is a big deal is that the tunnel is for trains only. that is the good news. I think it’s good to encourage more train travel and less car travel, especially in NYC. Have you ever tried to park in NY? omg. After a while you will pay any price just to get a space. I kid you not. finding a a parking lot with an empty space is futile sometimes. I never recommend driving into NY.

  178. rosehips says:

    but it is surprising that Joe didn’t know the tunnel is for trains if he is a big train buff. But the tunnel is in New York and he is not. I didn’t even know about the tunnel and I am a native New Yorker. like I said, no big deal.

  179. samiam60 says:

    Your right. It is no big deal that our Vice President of the United States is constantly saying stupid things. NO BIG DEAL.

  180. rosehips says:

    ok, the morning is progressing. must get the rl train moving.

    foxy, there are many federal mandates that are not in the constitution. we have national speed limits, clean air and water regulations, criminal justice policies, etc etc.

    health care is a major national issue and it is one of the top issues of constituents. Health care has become a profit driven commodity and the free market nature lends itself to winners and losers. Clearly, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, health care providers, medical tech industry etc are the winners. The people are the losers. How can a system be good if only a segment of the population can afford it?
    I am not one of the people who says we have a right to health care. But what happened to reason, compassion, and values? What should we do with the growing number of people who can no longer afford health insurance? Should they be left to die? Must they go bankrupt before they can get help? How can anyone say that the current system is working and is the best system in the world?

  181. samiam60 says:

    Welfare covers a vast majority of the Poor on giving medical care.

  182. rosehips says:

    sam, what I am saying is what does it really matter whether he knew the tunnel was for trains or not? I think it’s a bit lowball to throw our VP under a bus for such a trifling remark. Why waste time on something so inconsequential? Find something with some meat on it.

  183. samiam60 says:

    OK then, how about the VP’s secret bunker? Is that good enough.

  184. rosehips says:

    and isn’t welfare socialism? aren’t you opposed to welfare? What should the alternative be?

  185. samiam60 says:

    Welfare was sold as a means to help the less fortunate not create a lifestyle which it now has become. Socialism/Yes and No.

  186. rosehips says:

    sam, I think it just brings you down to tear the President and VP and dems apart. I don’t think it really accomplishes as much as if you were working on solutions. What have conservatives really proposed that is different than what has failed in the recent past? The free market ran its course. The greedy financial giants created ways to outsmart the system and create financial windfalls for many on Wall St. The housing market was manipulated to create vast profits. All across America fortunes were made on paper but no product was forthcoming. It was a system that was doomed to collapse and the collapse was heard in boardrooms, on main st., in living rooms and in our factories. and the collapse was loud. But still there are those who will not acknowledge that the collapse was caused during the peak of capitalism. Capitalism imploded. We can’t simply go back. It won’t work.

  187. samiam60 says:

    Guess that is the difference between us. We don’t give up on a good thing, we fix it.

  188. samiam60 says:

    Have to leave for now Rose, have a good day and maybe I will talk to you tonight. 🙂

  189. samhenry says:

    Hi FOX, Rose, Sami RE mandates for overseeing of health care.

    I take it, Rose, that you mean mandates are regulations? Well, for each “activity” under a department in the Government, what we have to do is find the law that created that department and then see if that department was giving the right to pass regulations and to see just what that entails.

    Int the pharma industry where I woked, Congress passed a bill creating the Federal Drug (Association? – I’m still groggy) and they gave the FDA the power to create regulations to regulate the industry and to create standards. All of these regulations evolved over time to create the New Drug Application process we see today. It all hinges on specific definitions (what is a drug, etc.). The FDA even has time lines for competing the stages in a New Drug Application. In short, the Agency and not Congress regulates the development and approval of Drugs.

    I will need to study the Department of Health and Human Services to see what it is authorized to do but another Department may have shared responsibility with them.

    Love the law, Rose??? Ha X 20. LOL

  190. samhenry says:

    FDA – Federal Drug Administration – I am awake now or have I still not got it right?

  191. Foxwood says:

    SamI said,
    “Your right. It is no big deal that our Vice President of the United States is constantly saying stupid things. NO BIG DEAL.”

    It was no big deal to make fun of Vice President Quail.

  192. Foxwood says:

    Rose said,
    “foxy, there are many federal mandates that are not in the constitution. we have national speed limits, clean air and water regulations, criminal justice policies, etc etc.”

    Read your Constitution… Its not in there. It belongs to the state… I don’t care if it’s already done. It’s wrong and unconstitutional.

  193. Here is a drive by for you all.

    Obama had to get Biden. Biden is No, Nada, ZERO threat to the Great One, Evil One.

    Obma’s personality disorder keeps him from surrounding himself with smart people.

    Otherwise B. Hussein would have some competetion.

    Its’ really quite simple. bbl

  194. Foxwood says:

    People meed to read the Constitution, You will then see that our government is already out of control.

    Do you know what the founding fathers were thinking when they wrote it? They were thinking King George. In this case, King Obama, And yes, King Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter… etc.

  195. Foxwood says:

    Rose, Are you for the rule of law? You have to know your rights, and nonrights. If it’s not in the Constitution, it is for the states and the people to decide.

  196. Foxwood says:

    The founding fathers did not want the government to rule our life. Read the Constitution.

  197. Foxwood says:

    Rose said:
    “sam, I think it just brings you down to tear the President and VP and dems apart. I don’t think it really accomplishes as much as if you were working on solutions.”

    But the Democrats did it first with Quail! WAH WAH! WAH! Yes I’m whinney 🙂

  198. samhenry says:

    OK, here’s the history of the Department of Health and Human Services:

    The United States Department of Health and Human Services (USDHHS) was officially created by President Jimmy Carter in 1980, when the Department of Education was fashioned out of the education component of the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare. It traces its beginning to the establishment of the Federal Security Agency by President Franklin Roosevelt in 1939. The Federal Security Agency became the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare (DHEW) in 1953 and then DHHS in 1980. In the 1990s, three major changes affected the DHHS: (1) on March 31, 1995, the Social Security Administration, with its more than 55,000 employees and $400 billion expenditures (in 1995) was established as an independent agency, with the commissioner of social security reporting to the president; (2) in 1995, the eight agencies of the U.S. Public Health Service were designated as operating divisions of DHHS, reporting to the secretary instead of reporting to the Assistant Secretary for Health (which they had done since 1968); and (3) in 1996, Congress terminated the federal Aid to Families With Dependent Children’s Program (commonly called welfare) and replaced it with block grants to states that stressed work instead of a minimum guaranteed payment for poor mothers and their children, thus dramatically reducing the federal role in welfare policy. The result of these changes was to make DHHS a de facto department of health.

    The USDHHS is led by the Secretary of Health and Human Services Staff Offices (e.g., general counsel, Assistant Secretaries for Health, for Legislation, for Planning and Evaluation, for Public Affairs, and for Management and Budget, Director of the Office of Civil Rights), an independent inspector general and twelve operating divisions:(1) Administration on Aging; (2) Administration for Children and Families; (3) Health Care Financing Administration (Medicare and Medicaid); (4) Program Support Center; and the eight divisions that together constitute the U.S. Public Health Service: (1) Agency for Health Care Quality and Research, (2) Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry, (3) Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, (4) Food and Drug Administration, (5) Health Resources and Services Administration, (6) Indian Health Service, (7) National Institutes of Health, and (8) Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration.

    In the year 2001, the expenditures by DHHS will exceed $400 billion, second only to the Social Security Administration. The largest expenditures will be for Medicare ($260 billion) and Medicaid ($123 billion), followed by the NIH ($20 billion), the Administration for Children and Families ($17 billion), to the smallest grant-in-aid programs ($29 million) of the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality. The DHHS employs more than 50,000 individuals, mainly in the Indian Health Service and NIH.


    Here is the link to the US Code of Regulations for our future reference:


    From the short tour of the above and other websites it appears that although The Department of Health and Human Services regulates health care insurance, it probably would take an act of Congress to mandate universal medical coverage and probably to create a new administration withing Health and Human Services to regulate it. It will take more study.

  199. rosehips says:

    lol @ Quail. he was an easy target but I did not participate in the mud slinging. I didn’t care how he spelled potato and I don’t care how you spell Quayle either foxy.
    I always contended that Quayle had to be half way intelligent to succeed in politics. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist or a neurosurgeon but it takes a degree of intelligence to get elected to high office. That is why I don’t lambaste Palin or anybody for that matter for lack of intelligence. I believe we all have a degree of intelligence and it’s not something you can really take too much credit for. You got wut you got. I don’t believe in knocking a person for being stupid. Greedy, corrupt, inciteful, arrogant….all fair game however.

  200. samhenry says:

    Well, you know, The Bush, Biden, Quail etc. problem could have been cared for through effective use of oral contraceptives. Clearly, their statements have been the result of their inability to perceive that the proper source for verbal concepts is initiated in the brain and not in the organ itself. Further due to dosage variations, there is often a displacement of the verbal expression of ideas conceived by the brain through another orifice resulting in more painful and generally less pleasant release of content. Summary: For the protection of the general welfare, these men should have been heavily medicated using oral contraceptives.

  201. samhenry says:

    Fox Said: The founding fathers did not want the government to rule our life. Read the Constitution.

    Fox – isn’t that the “fondling fathers” since everything they touched has come down to us in ways that were easily the creation of the imagination of those touched? Everyone creates his own view of them and what they did.

  202. rosehips says:

    great job on the research sh!
    Yes, I believe there is a difference between regulatory agencies, like the EPA and FDA which can create regulations, and other Depts within the President’s administration.

    I should really go now. see you later!

  203. VotingFemale says:

    Been a busy morning here…

    Hiya Rose! SamH!

  204. samhenry says:

    VF – I may be the last dog standing. I have just come to the conclusion that the Obama weather advisory service needs to be established. I am convinced that this rash of activity since taking office has, according to plan, generated so much wind that tornadoes have been created. The end result of this has been to obscure the true nature of the work undertaken and to confuse the general, uneducated public – a public dazzled by his supposed brilliance.

  205. Foxwood says:

    The Presidents of this Progressive era could be called “fondling fathers”, the way they’ve had their fingers in everything.

    er… no pun intended.

  206. samhenry says:

    FOX – just fun intended

  207. VotingFemale says:

    lol SamH….

    So that is the source of the Global Hot Air, huh?

    If the socialists shut their mouths no more global warming…


  208. samhenry says:

    Good receive and throw back VF

  209. VotingFemale says:

    And I learned that global climate changes is natural… and on a cycle… from ice age at one extreme to hot hot hot at the other…

    has to do with the axis wobble of the earth…

    and Gore is a master of illusions…

  210. Foxwood says:

    Morning again VF.

  211. samhenry says:

    I am with you on that VF. You don’t even have to do much research because the layers of the earth have recorded all of this but Gore didn’t take college level geology. In Rochester where Kodak cut off the Genesee River, you can walk down millions of years and see it. Clearly his mouth is, as you have so well put it, created more global warming than les autos.

  212. VotingFemale says:

    and a Good Re-Morning to you too FoxMan!

  213. samhenry says:

    The government has done everything in its power until recently to let us think that les autos are benign. When my parents did a brief stint in Phoenix, local authorities blamed air pollution on Mexical smelters. But if you were up in the mountains, you could clearly see that the smog hung right over the main road out of town.

  214. VotingFemale says:

    And the Socialist Beat goes on… as they march the lemmings over the cliff… lol

  215. samhenry says:

    Yes, VF and even with the same outcome!

  216. VotingFemale says:

    ohhh… I hate exhaust pollution… cough cough

    and Obama killed the development of the Hydrogen fueled Car…

    see… he wants to keep his Muslim buddies in business…

  217. samhenry says:

    Obama doesn’t need Bob Mackey just his jewel-like smile.

  218. Foxwood says:

    The beat goes on an on and on… and my forehead is very bloody.

  219. karmahd says:

    Hey All, just breezed the comments, difficult to take it all in, but I see the point being floated that the conservative side of the issue is not in a amiable mood or puts forth one of cooperation? I say to this, since the new leadership has taken place they have continually POO POOED every republican initiative and every effort to strive to any bi partisanship. It is difficult to find solutions when, if compromise is offered it never “gets out of the gate and in the race”. The policy and much has been written is the democratic party is living by the mantra “we won” we will implement what we see fit and to hell with the small matter of checks and balances!!! Rose not exactly the most efficient way to build a coalition???

  220. VotingFemale says:

    you got email Karma

  221. samhenry says:

    Do you all think that Obama will take us to war with Korea? And if he does, will he blame that in some convoluted way on the Republicans? I cry foul if he does. We are a minority that is protected under the law.

  222. VotingFemale says:

    never mind… I see you got it…

  223. samhenry says:

    VF – when did he knock off the hydrogen fueled car? During the GM takeover? Good grief, that was an excellent project and about to come to projection as the old alchemists would say.

  224. karmahd says:

    VF got that, and SAM hydrogen is 20 years out and the most expensive technology of all the other sources of future transportation. My question is, what is going to replace airplanes when the fuel runs out?? Led Zepplins??? Back to work, see you all later, sorry to pick on you Rose

  225. samhenry says:

    Sorry VF – I’ve taken the blog off subject several times this AM. But one thing the conversation did indicate is that it is difficult even among us friends here to build consensus.

  226. VotingFemale says:

    It was before Bankruptcies

    been a while ago now… and China and Icland and others are goin full tilt on it.

    What I think he killed was government grants to support its development… and GM was really into it in a big way.

    It is the answer to the future for mobile fuel…

    samhenry says

    VF – when did he knock off the hydrogen fueled car? During the GM takeover? Good grief, that was an excellent project and about to come to projection as the old alchemists would say.

  227. samhenry says:

    I and my ADD will withdraw to the garden where my dysfunction is put to good use detecting weeds in areas untried by most mere mortals. “Slip sliding away….”

  228. rosehips says:

    karma, don’t worry bout me. I’m just the resident punching bag. haahaa

    This is a good article on socialized insurance: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/themes/socialized.html

    The article includes interviews from different doctors in different developed countries with socialized insurance or medicine.

  229. samhenry says:

    Thanks for filling me in VF. We are industrially always in the right place at the right time until we are tripped up by bureaucrats. It is just plain amazing to me how you have to learn to play the federal funding game before you can begin or continue a project. It becomes a project in and of itself.

    I once wrote a government grant to the Nationa Endowment for the Humanities and the Key was to constantly call them as you filled out the forms to make certain you were giving them what they wanted to hear in the language they wanted it. It’s so sick.

  230. VotingFemale says:

    and really… I dont have a problem with benign off topic talk… but I have used a complaint about that as a tactic to get people to stop taking a discussion about a behavior of Obama off to a discussion about Bush… as if to justify a moral equiv or something lol

    Bush gets no passes from me because he is a Conservative… anything wrong he did, in my view, he gets held accountable by me… but lets separate what he did or did not do from bad behaviors of Obama and crew… they are in charge now… not Bush

  231. samhenry says:

    PS GM was developing fuel cell technology just outside of Rochester.

  232. samhenry says:

    As I said, VF, it is hard for us cits to follow what is being developed because he has gone off into so many areas simultaneously. This is not just him wanting to get underway and get things done. This is to keep us at the banquet table with out plate trying to decide what OUR priorities are so that we follow closely the issue that will most affect us. We don’t have research staff to follow it all. He will pass national health care so fast our heads will swim and he will do it beneath the radar of a confrontation with Korea. Why IS the world always held hostage to short, unhappy despotic men, helas?

  233. VotingFemale says:

    Funny thing about Business…

    Sound Business decisions are NOT made for Political Ideology Reasons… they are made to maximize the success of a business.

    That is why Amtrak should have been allowed to die off years ago… it is not profitable… and Bureaucrats base decisions on Politics… not on sound business reasons… and most of them are clueless about running a business…

    Case in point… the US Postal Office…
    When have they ever been solvent?

    When have they ever not had their hand out to the taxpayers to supplement the revenue they receive for their offered goods and services?

    A business can not be sustained that can not maintain it’s own solvency… and Obama is trying to change the law of business reality… and it does not work.

    GM and Chrysler needs to fail and I see it as a failure brought about by the UAW… thus when GM and Chrysler fails… the UAW fails… but no… Obama is trying to save a major campaign contributor for the DEM party using our money to do it…

  234. samhenry says:

    Right again, VF, right again. He has given CPR to the UAW.

  235. arlenearmy says:

    VF & Sam
    I read your earlier comments herein. The response of some conservative locals is that Obama is a Heathen racist.

    He’s all for himself … He’s doing what’s convenient to HIMSELF. He is affirmative action to himself. He even tried to distance himself from Kenyan kinfolks during campaign. He had to be backed into a corner to have his “race relations” speech. There have been moments that Obama kicked whites under the bus.

    As I began to analyze Obama, I was immediately reminded of a stories I read in college .,. the literary works of Jean Toomer. Obama is probably still trying to figure out where & how he fits in this society.


  236. samhenry says:

    So now we are left with a GM that has to overcome:

    1) Negative concept of quality of their product that is not a recent phenomenon but has been ingrained in the minds of consumers for decades.
    2) No revolutionary technology in the pipeline.
    3) Is left with an unexciting brand lineup. Very little in their product line appeals to younger buyers – the future of the auto industry’s success.

    So you are so right – a sound business decision was not made.

  237. Foxwood says:

    Rose said,
    “How can anyone say that the current system is working and is the best system in the world?”

    How can anyone say a socialized healthcare system is better when it’s proven and documented it’s not. And the reason why our current system is better is because socialized healthcare is bad.

    People wait in line, are denied service and die. There is no competition with government and therefor no lower pricing. Free does not mean free, and does not mean better.

    Great Britain is turning away from socialized medicine. It is documented they come to the states because our system is better. The same with Canada..

    And if you want to say it a minority few, that’s because the only ones that can afford to come over are the rich, because the middle class are getting taxed to death and can’t afford to cross the pond. They would if they could.

  238. Foxwood says:

    Forgot to unbold…

  239. VotingFemale says:

    I will also remind folks that Obama had Muslim women told to remove their Hijabs or else relocate out of range of cameras during a certain Obama campaign event…

    Also… While I disapprove of Rev Wright… Obama attended his church for 20 years then threw him under the bus and disowned him… for political reasons…

    arlenearmy says

    VF & Sam
    I read your earlier comments herein. The response of some conservative locals is that Obama is a Heathen racist.

    He’s all for himself … He’s doing what’s convenient to HIMSELF. He is affirmative action to himself. He even tried to distance himself from Kenyan kinfolks during campaign. He had to be backed into a corner to have his “race relations” speech. There have been moments that Obama kicked whites under the bus.

    As I began to analyze Obama, I was immediately reminded of a stories I read in college .,. the literary works of Jean Toomer. Obama is probably still trying to figure out where & how he fits in this society.


  240. samhenry says:

    Good reference Arlene. I will check Toomis out. I have read a great deal of” Zora Neale Hurston whose writings define the scope of the New Negro or Harlem Renaissance.”

    RE Obama – he is very much narcissistic. I remember the very self-conscious way he phrased “Malia and Sasha, I love you very much and you will have that dog.” Words to that effect were in his Chicago speech following his victory. He is very studied in the way he moves.

  241. VotingFemale says:

    FROM ABC NEWS June 19, 2008

    Hijab-wearing Muslims barred from Obama photo: report


    Posted Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:00pm AEST

    A United States media report says two Muslims at a Barack Obama rally were barred from sitting behind the podium as campaign volunteers sought to prevent their headscarves appearing in images with the candidate.

    In two separate incidents on Monday at a rally in Detroit, Michigan – which boasts one of the largest Muslim communities in the United States – women wearing headscarves were told they could not sit in the section that forms the visual backdrop behind Senator Obama, Washington-based Politico.com reported.

    “I was coming to support him, and I felt like I was discriminated against by the very person who was supposed to be bringing this change,” Hebba Aref, a 25-year-old lawyer, told the website.

    “The message that I thought was delivered to us was that they do not want him associated with Muslims or Muslim supporters,” Ms Aref said.

    A friend accompanying Ms Aref said a campaign volunteer had specifically cited “the political climate” as an explanation.

    The other woman, Shimaa Abdelfadeel, said she was told no one with any head coverings, including baseball caps and scarves, could sit behind the stage, and that the rule was not an attack on her religion.

    The Obama campaign reportedly apologised to the women.

    “This is of course not the policy of the campaign. It is offensive and counter to Obama’s commitment to bring Americans together and simply not the kind of campaign we run,” Senator Obama’s spokesman Bill Burton was quoted as saying.

    “We sincerely apologise for the behaviour of these volunteers.”

    Senator Obama, who has struggled to suppress a rumour that he is Muslim, has billed himself in the 2008 presidential race as the candidate of change and inclusion who can transcend identity politics.

    But his vigorous denials that he is Muslim has been known to frustrate some followers of Islam because of the implication that there is something wrong with the religion.

    – AFP

  242. ohiobelle says:

    I personally think Obama is a terrorist that was sent from the Muslim world to destroy America…

    Hello all.

  243. samhenry says:

    VF – and yet in his speech in Cairo – didn’t he say something about allowing people to dress as is their custom. I will comb that speech for it.

  244. VotingFemale says:

    Thus the Deviousness of Obama….

    crap on people… then if nailed for it … BS your way out of it…

  245. samhenry says:

    Belle – I don’t think that is outside the realm of possibility. He could be the most famous sleeper cell of all time. His own mother was kind of radical.

  246. ohiobelle says:

    Hi vf.

    I wonder why nobody is stepping up and stopping Obama from destroying America??

    He will have no chance of passing his health care reform now. Even Dems are walking away from that notion.

  247. ohiobelle says:

    Hello Sam.

    I am seriously wondering if this is an act of terrorism. Even his friends are terrorist! America better wake up before it’s too late.

  248. ohiobelle says:

    His shovel ready jobs never hit Ohio. Big construction companies our going out of business every day. What the heck!! Now those 25 police officers will be out of a job before August.

    Does anybody wonder where the money went?? We would’ve been better off without the spending spree.

  249. VotingFemale says:

    Belle… all Obama knows how to do is spend money… and any “jobs” he creates are temporary at best with these construction jobs…

    That guy is so full of bull crap it’s pathetic.

  250. arlenearmy says:

    I very well remember that incident (muslim women w/head-dress) at Obama rally who could not sit in backdrop. They did this during the time that his middle name ‘Hussein’ was broadcasted.

    I went to an Obama rally in Houston & there were lots of guy & gals wearing ball caps. In fact, many women took there purses & I had a camera bag as did several others.

    Obama did same thing to black folks in other states. Volunteers (organizers) HAND picks who sits behind him. If there were too many black folks, they would grab some whites & Mexicans… but in almost every case, they would pick folks under age of 30. In Houston they looked hard to find a military person in uniform. But they couldn’t find one.

  251. Foxwood says:

    Only 25% of the socialist omnibus package was for jobs. The rest went to social projects according to Fox news this morning…

    I know, it’s Fox news, it’s just BS…

  252. samhenry says:

    Well, Belle, the same economic theorists were around and active in the field before the Wall Street Debacle. I hope Ohioans are not expecting the room full of them working for Obama to make things better. They are all theorists – theorists who may be closer to the trading floor these days than in the past.

    And racism? You don’t hear anything further about Abraham Lincoln. I think he went under the bus as well. No one is to big to go under the bus in his view.

  253. samhenry says:

    I tried to pull myself away from the blog earlier and just could not go but now I really have to get some other things done.

    Belle, it is very good to see you and to hear from you. See you later.

    Bye VF and Fox and in and out Rose. Good luck studying and fingers are crossed for you.

  254. Foxwood says:

    Hey Belle, Arlene,

    Just been coming in and out during breaks.

  255. VotingFemale says:

    I need to get going as well… time to go do the food marketing again…

  256. ohiobelle says:

    It kills me when I hear Obama say he will create or save hundreds of thousands of jobs. We are almost in the double digits on unemployment!! We haven’t seen unemployment this high in 40 years!! If nobody is working then how in the hell does Obama plan on paying for all this spending??

  257. ohiobelle says:

    I’ve got to get some things done myself.

    I will check back in a little bit.

  258. rosehips says:

    hey belle, how’s your heart girl?

  259. arlenearmy says:

    Folks are already awake …. but they are in denial. As well all know, Bush & Cheney never went hunting together when that hunting accident happened. But there are some Liberals saying that the person who was accidentally shot was Bush. I did not want to contribute to an argument, so I kept my mouth shut.

  260. rosehips says:

    ahhh, did I miss everyone?

  261. samhenry says:

    Likewise, it is important for Western countries to avoid impeding Muslim citizens from practicing religion as they see fit – for instance, by dictating what clothes a Muslim woman should wear. We cannot disguise hostility towards any religion behind the pretence of liberalism.

    The above is a quote from Obama’s Cairo speech from the NYT. So – caught driving the bus….

  262. rosehips says:

    hey arlene,

    I am swamped with paperwork. just getting some bills taken care of and I have to go to unemployment office.

    company just showed up. gotta go.

  263. arlenearmy says:

    Hello … Rose & Samhenry …
    I gotta stretch out & water the garden. bbl

  264. Foxwood says:

    Belle said:
    “If nobody is working then how in the hell does Obama plan on paying for all this spending??”

    He doesn’t. The plan is to tank the economy, then say Capitalism doesn’t work, we have to be Socialists.

  265. Vf, this is a drive by, gotta go, bbl
    but I’m sending this to http://stopsocialism.wordpress.com
    he will love it.
    VotingFemale // June 9, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    FROM ABC NEWS June 19, 2008

    Hijab-wearing Muslims barred from Obama photo: report
    gosh, why the heck did these dumb people vote for him anyway? O I FORGOT, ACORN dredged up all those dead people and Disney characters and registered them to vote…

  266. Foxwood says:


    We already have socialized healthcare, it’s called the Vet. Admin, The Indian Hospital, Medicare, and medicade. Ask any Vet how well their plan works? I know how the Indian Hospital works. It Sux!

  267. arlenearmy says:

    That is true. The VA does sux !!! It seems like the nation imagines otherwise. But who ever ask a Vet ?

  268. Foxwood says:

    It’s doesn’t help the socialist agenda for socialized healthcare to bring it up, and CBS, ABS, NBS, Commie News Net, and MFNBC will not report it.

  269. Amen brothers and sisters!

    Just driving by in my convertable! SMILE!

  270. Foxwood says:

    Thanks Arlene.

  271. VotingFemale says:

    Agreed Fox… the is the Cloward-Piven Strategy in action.

  272. samhenry says:

    I uploaded an iReport on the consistencies in Obama’s view of Muslims we discussed. It will never be on air – I am amazed the allowed it. Perhaps three people will see it. Hey, that’s better than no people.


  273. VotingFemale says:

    A very old man enters a grocery store and says: “I’d like to buy everything in your store,” and puts down a very large amount of money.
    Ok, says the shopkeeper, but how will you get it home.”
    I don’t want to take it home,” says the man, “I want you to leave it just where it is, and if anybody comes to buy anything, give it to them free.”
    The shop assistant agrees and the old man sits on a bench outside the store and watches. A few customers go in and come out looking extremely happy. Soon the store is mobbed and within fifteen minutes, it is a pile of rubble. The old man continues to sit on the bench, dirty, but smiling and happy. The ravaged shopkeeper walks up and asks him, “Why did you do it? My shop is a ruin?”
    Well, I’m very old, and I know I won’t live to see true communism,” says the man. “I just wanted to see what communism would look like.”

  274. samhenry says:

    VF – very fine LOL

  275. samhenry says:

    VF – Really have to end my virtual life for the day. My allotted time is up. I will see you all tomorrow. SH

  276. VotingFemale says:

    What is the relation between salary and work in socialism?

    answer: Workers pretend to work and the state pretends to pay them.

  277. VotingFemale says:

    see you soon SamH!!!

  278. rosehips says:

    well, I’m tired of debating health care. We may have the best health care anywhere in the world, but if only the wealthy can afford it, what good is it really? Single payer may not be ideal, but at least it allows all citizens to receive care and doesn’t abandon the middle class or the poor.
    Obama is not suggesting that we socialize medicine. He wants to socialize insurance. We are the only developed country that doesn’t have socialized insurance. Countries may be wanting to change but if they change to our system, they will essentially be screwing some of their people. I just am not willing to back a system that turns its back like that. Imagine Jesus Christ turning his back on a segment of the population so that wealthy people could maintain the quality of care they have come to be used to? I think Christ would be more compassionate and would back a single payer health care system.

  279. Foxwood says:

    It’s a bad analogy Rose.You can’t compair JC with socialized anything. Just the word social, social security… etc means socialist.

    Our country was never social anything till the 1900s. I want my country back the way it was. Now everyone is government dependent. The founding fathers never ment that to be.

    Again, the Constitution is clear.

  280. Foxwood says:

    Do you believe in the Constitution? Would you rather it be thrown out? What about the rule of law? The rule of law is the Constitution. When you hear rule of law, that’s the Constitution.

  281. Foxwood says:

    You can’t break the law, because you don’t like it. That is unless your a President. But even the Presidents are supposed to abide by the law. That is unless your a President.

  282. rosehips says:

    foxy, we’d all like things to be different. you really can’t recreate the country you once had. It’s gone. you can’t have it back.

    Like all civilizations, ours has peaked. We are on our way down.

    You can stomp your feet and hold your breath until you turn blue but it won’t work. You can play the blame game and be the victim. That might make you feel better but won’t really make a difference.

    The American Dream has turned into a nightmare.

  283. rosehips says:

    foxy, yes I believe in the Constitution, but I don’t believe it is perfect as I don’t believe our founding fathers were perfect, nor the writers of the Bible.
    If the founding fathers were alive today they would be thrown under the bus just like everyone else. We’d see them with all their warts and moral flaws and imperfections.

  284. Foxwood says:

    The problem is Rose. The Constitution is the Constitution. It hasn’t been changed. Thererfor the government is illegal. Are you going to tell half the Americans that they can’t have it back?

    We are on our way down, because we are breaking the laws laid down by our founding fathers. The Constitution has been forgotten for the last 100 years.

    What this blog and eveyone on it want. Is the rule of law to be obeyed. The rule of law is the Constitution. It CAN be put back the way it was. That is what we are doing here is letting people know, they’ve been taught wrong.

  285. Foxwood says:

    Your here just to depress me huh?

    Bringing back the rule of law is my life goal. I will not be denied.

  286. Foxwood says:

    I’m telling you Rose, Obama’s part of the problem…

  287. Foxwood says:

    If you believe in the Constitution, you believe in the rule of law. The rule of law (Constitution) clearly says, if it’s not in the Constitution, it goes to the states and the people. You can’t say ‘you can’t have it back’ and believe in the Constitution. Health care in not in the Constitution. If the states want it great. It’s NOT in the Constitution.

  288. arlenearmy says:

    The American dream turned into a nightmare when Obama got elected.

  289. Foxwood says:

    Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Carter and so on since the 1900s have trashed the Constitution, but continue to call on the rule of law. Hypocrisy!

    That is why Montana, Texas, Tennessee and others are trying to pass the gun laws. It has to do with the Bill of Rights, States Rights, and bringing back the rule of law.

  290. VotingFemale says:

    Rose… how much is the cost of health care for 330,000,000 people?

  291. karmahd says:

    One note on the constitution, WHEN it was written over 200+ years ago it was a document that was far and away beyond its time, in fact it still stands to this day and is up there with the ten commandments, the first book of law. Man is imperfect so what man produces is imperfect, end of discussion. For one to judge imperfection they place themselves on a higher plane than what they are judging!

    What is being created here, is chaos by the new administration, this happens when ego and self value are placed above the good of the people, Lao Zuhe was aware of this 1000 years before Christ. The closest metaphor I can come up with is “a fireman starts fires so he has a job to put them out”? Our economic system was battered due to the greed of man, we want it all and we want it now, to fix this issue would have been relatively simple, restore confidence in the markets, implement some restrictions on lending, get the cash flowing again. What do we get with the new administration, spend without any fiscal fear, buy up corporations with the peoples money, then run that as state held enterprises, expand government to feed the mouths of the few with the toil of the many.

    This is not hard to understand, but the helpless feeling that is being created is part of the strategy, if you want to win a war or a fight, you have to take the “legs” of the beast out so it will fall. Every new spending plan and appointment is directed and geared at that goal by the Obama administration, we sit by and watch hoping it will change, IT WILL NOT change unless the collective masses of people understand that we should not FEAR our government.

    This administration gains its goals by backroom shadowy planning and the threat of totalitarianism, we have elected the KING of the United States. With much hope and confidence I believe the American people once they are beyond the spell of the “Preacher” will see there own personal God, and it ain’t to be found in the halls of the White house, because there resides the anti Christ! Sorry to get biblical on all of your asses LOL, but that is what is going on, and only time will tell, these guys do not know how to run a government, they know how to OWN a government.

  292. karmahd says:

    lau Tzu, spelled his name wrong, but this quote is his and it was said 600

    “When a nation is filled with strife, then do patriots flourish.”

  293. karmahd says:

    A leader is best when people barely know he exists, not so good when people obey and acclaim him, worse when they despise him. But of a good leader who talks little when his work is done, his aim fulfilled, they will say: We did it ourselves.

  294. Foxwood says:

    Wasn’t a rant on a soap box Karma. It was truth and it was good. That was the music that hit me when I read it.

  295. karmahd says:

    Last one, hmmm stimulus bill in days???

    When virtue is lost, benevolence appears, when benevolence is lost right conduct appears, when right conduct is lost, expedience appears. Expediency is the mere shadow of right and truth; it is the beginning of disorder.

  296. karmahd says:

    Fox this one gets to me!! As does the one you posted

  297. rosehips says:

    well it is too much for me to counter. I really can’t defend socialism because I don’t think it will work. It may ease the pain that the collapse of our civilization will inflict on masses of people. It no longer matters why the climate is changing. It doesn’t matter. Scientists say that things are happening quicker than they thought. How will our cities on the coast that will be underwater in a matter of decades cope? Can they hold back the tides?

    So basically I think we can’t preserve the prosperity our country has enjoyed. If you think we can increase our prosperity, good for you for being so optimistic. I don’t think it is possible.

    karma, you are so right on with your assessment. and I really like Lao Tzu. I found this on a website about him:

    “Contemplating the remarkable natural world Lao Tzu felt that it was man and his activities which constituted a blight on the otherwise perfect order of things. Thus he counseled people to turn away from the folly of human pursuits and to return to one’s natural wellspring.”

    Well, I guess I am too gloomy. I should leave you all to your revolution. I wish I could keep up the fight, but it seems too futile.

  298. Foxwood says:

    One of my few new CDs… It’s got quite a few good songs on it. Can’t remember the name of the CD, it’s out in my truck.

  299. Foxwood says:

    I thought the cyber czar was going to be bad, because it will shut down sites like this. But our new King is making the position of Pay Czar. This is the King telling the rabble what they can make.

    It’s just another abortion of the Constitution, Rose.

  300. karmahd says:

    Rose I have said for a long time man is a virus, all this politics is futile, one foot on the earth one foot in the clouds I am between worlds. But the last 50 years will go down as probably the best of times when the next 50 are in the books. I could agree with the preservation of the earth and the “way” if there were not 12 billion others seeking to own there time in history. Man is a brutal beast, and the best that can come out of all this in a couple of hundred years is a smaller more humane civilization, based on survival, dust to dust, energy lives on we are insignificant, hows that for HAPPY!!

  301. karmahd says:

    But I still vehemently disagree with the policies of the new administration, and anyone with any semblance of logic and intelligence should be able to see through this “carny show” being put on by these selfish bastards!!

  302. karmahd says:

    Wait the Cyber Czar is at my door!!! No not my 26 inch HDTV monitor, give it back damn you. OK I am off the chain and dour tonight, time to get my sugar up, din din time, see you all later.

  303. rosehips says:

    karma, you made me smile. damn cyber czar anyway….

  304. VotingFemale says:

    Dont PayCzar me Bro…

  305. Foxwood says:

    We rebelled against King George, because of taxation without representation, but also because we did not want to be ruled by one man or body.

    Our founding fathers came up with the Constitution, to distribute the government. Each branch of government was used to keep check on the other so that no one of them would gain full power.

    The Constitution give us our laws, our rights, but the founders knew these were God given rights. Not the rights, given by an earthly king. One of the rights states that if the law is not in the Constitution, that law is governed by the states or the people. It is not the Federal government duty to take care of people. The only duty the Federal government has is to keep our country safe.

    Little by little the government has encroached on our rights, but continue to spout the rule of law. It’s hypocrisy. When you read ‘rule of law’ that means the Constitution.

    The first 10 amendments have NOT been changed. But they have been ignored. That does not mean they are not still there.

    Because the Constitution has not been taught right in school, or not taught at all, children, and now as long as it’s been, adults, don’t know their rights and non-rights. We let this continue on for over a hundred years now, and we still have these rights but we don’t know it.

    All Presidents since the beginning of the 20th century have corrupted the Constitution. They haven’t changed it, your right are still there, they’ve ignored them and you don’t know it, or don’t care.

    This President has been the worst in that he is fast tracking the process of the corruption. With his unprecedented 16 soon to be 21 czars, he’s bypassed the legislation and judicial branches of government. These czars make (legislative), enforce (executive) and interpret (judicial) law. These czars are accountable to no one but the President.

    This makes Obama, King Obama. Our Constitution is nothing more than paper. It might as well be toilet paper as it would have a better use.

  306. Foxwood says:

    If you don’t know the Constitution, you don’t know the law.

  307. lisaintx says:

    howdy all!!!
    My son is home and we have been having such a great time with our reunion!! He looks wonderful and sporting a few new scars from being in 3 IED bombings. Thank the Good Lord he was not hurt worse.

  308. Foxwood says:

    Glad to hear it Lisa. It’s wonderful news!

  309. Foxwood says:

    I believe that is where we are headed. It’s sad.

  310. m2 says:

    That’s Awesome Lise!!

    hey you two (foxwood, Lisa) have a good night,… I’m shutting the computer off for some R&R

  311. lisaintx says:

    Thanks Fox and M2. :-}
    I’m not gonna stay on here much tonight…I’m exhausted!!! lol Just wanted to check in and say Hi and that ALL is well on the home front. :-]

  312. karmahd says:

    Hey everyone, Lisa glad you and your boy are having fun, M2 that article is an echo, and growing, Foxwood, well written retort. Stay strong, stay free, Karma

  313. karmahd says:

    VF that is a bumper sticker you should market!!!

    Dont PayCzar me Bro…

  314. samhenry says:

    Outgoing message for VF and company:

    Today is Wednesday June 10th. I am sorry that I am unavailable to take your comment. I am away from my computer but I shall return 6/11/2009. Thank you SamHenry.

  315. samiam60 says:

    Good Morning all and hope everyone has a great day here

  316. samhenry says:

    Ancestor – Ahrooooooooooooooooooooo. I just want you to know that I can still howl. I am on my way out but wanted to give you a respectful howl.

  317. samhenry says:

    I really am out of here. Karm, I would have to engage my falsetto talents to replicate yip yip. See you tomorrow.

  318. Foxwood says:

    The Supreme Court took a big crap on the Constitution last night.


    SCOTUS allows the President to put bankruptcy law in the flusher. Do not sign a contract. They are no longer binding.

  319. Foxwood says:

    The Constitution is the law of the country. “WE THE (little) PEOPLE” have to obey. Looks like the Napoleon and the Pigs can sleep in bed.

  320. Foxwood says:

    If you don’t know the Constitution, you don’t know the law!

  321. VotingFemale says:

    Good Morning Samiam! Fox! Samh! Karma! Lisa! M2!

    slept in this morning… yawn… stretch… sip coffee… blinky blink

  322. samhenry says:

    Well, I was going to take the day off from the computer but here I am. I wouldn’t want to miss anything. Here is my post on iReport re health care reform. It is on CNN.


    I’m trying to add my voice to those who want to slow the change express down.

  323. samhenry says:

    Crude up to $71 per barrel. You’ve got to love it.

  324. Foxwood says:

    Yeah, that Crude is getting expensive. I might have to lay off and start drinking Gasoline instead.

  325. samhenry says:

    FOX – it isn’t as if it is a surprise. But I think the acceleration of the rise is a concern.

  326. samhenry says:

    FOX – I am very concerned as you have been about the sale of Chrysler to Fiat. That was a give away. The government is not managing anything; it is managing to sell everything. Now we are saddled with a company that has not made any cars people have wanted to buy in the last 20 years. Swell.

  327. m2 says:

    Morning everyone!

    I’ve got some work projects to finish and some errands to run. Just stopping by to say ‘hi’.

  328. Foxwood says:

    Our government has ignored the Constitution for years. It’s still the rule of law, but only “WE THE (little) PEOPLE” are supposed to live by the law. Our leaders are above it.

    The so called “bankruptcy” trashed the 5th amendment.

  329. samhenry says:

    FOX, have you ever read “Inventing America” by Wills? It is about the creation of the Declaration of Independence. You may enjoy it.

  330. Foxwood says:

    Know your rights!

    The Fifth Amendment
    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


  331. Foxwood says:


    I’ll look it up. Thanks.

  332. LisaInTX says:

    Morning everyone!!

    SamH, maybe in your part of the country Chrysler is not a big sale product, but here, Jeep and the Ram Trucks are HOT sellers. We currently own both and have for years, and LOVE them. Both are good and well made products.
    Guess we’ll have to go FORD now, they are the ONLY company left AGAIN in tact, from yet another FDR type hostile and illegal government takeover.

  333. LisaInTX says:

    Gotta run–ttyl

  334. samhenry says:

    Hi Lisa when I said that the government was taking over a company the products of which had not appeal I was talking GM. Further, their products appeal for the most part to older Americans – Cadillac, Buick, Chevy, Olds (?). I think we were remiss to let Ram Trucks (very popular and for many and a benchmark) and the jeep. Both popular here.

  335. samhenry says:

    The one thing that is not considered when health reform is put forth is the CURRENT shortage of doctors and nurses. We “import” both. Further, my internist told me that fewer people are going into internal medicine. There is just not that much reward in it monetarily and you are swamped with patients. Bottom line, we are setting up people with no health coverage to go to specialists! And private or public insurance, we will ALL be waiting longer for care. Finally, doctor and nurse shortages will rise as they flee to other countries.

  336. samhenry says:

    Well, have to get going on work around here so that I can record the above for another iReport!

  337. Foxwood says:

    Well, the liberals are happy SamH. This is what they want. Longer lines, poor service, and death. Let’s get rid of those old farts. They are no longer productive anyway.

    Sorry SamH, it just p*sses me off.

  338. VotingFemale says:

    Although I regrettably have to run and get stuff done in real life… I have just published a new blogpost.

    Hope it hits home with folks teetering on the political fence… and I hope the hard core socialists and their bleating sheep hate it. HA

    Let’s switch over to it for faster comment reloads…


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