Cheney Frightens Obama; Insecurity is a terrible thing to have, huh Barack?

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Turns out that Obama, knowing for two weeks that former VPOTUS Dick Cheney had scheduled a televised speech, arranged to give his GITMO speech immediately prior to Cheney’s speech.

Now isn’t that interesting? And it showed a weakness within Obama that everyone already knows his has… he can not STAND for anyone to criticize him or his policies and takes it as a mortal threat to his entire being.

So… Obama musters all his personal presentation skills and stands before the US Constitution and makes his Presidential TelePrompter speech with all the flourish and all the Obama Drama he can summon.

He made excuses and false statements to justify his actions and plans knowing Cheney was going to speak next and likely would shoot his bull crap full of holes like a slice of swiss cheese… and that is precisely what Cheney did. Cheney did not hold back and for the first time in Obama’s presidency a force of great power stood up and explained Obama’ Smoke and Mirrors Bull Crap.

See, Obama needs to control the Media in order to prevent his Theatrical BS scam from being exposed.

Let’s just take a look at the punches Cheney landed on the Chin of the Enchanted One…

The 10 punches Dick Cheney landed on Barack Obama’s jaw

(ht/Toby Harnden)

The spectacle of two dueling speeches with a mile of each other in downtown Washington was extraordinary. I was at the Cheney event and watched Obama’s address on a big screen beside the empty lectern that the former veep stepped behind barely two minutes after his adversary had finished.

So who won the fight? (it’s hard to use anything other than a martial or pugilistic metaphor). Well, most people are on either one side or the other of this issue and I doubt today will have prompted many to switch sides.

But the very fact that Obama chose to schedule his speech (Cheney’s was announced first) at exactly the same time as the former veep was a sign of some weakness.

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Obama’s speech and Cheney’s empty lectern.

(Pic: Toby Harnden)

The venues for the speeches said something. Obama showily chose the National Archives, repository for many of the founding documents of the US, and spoke in front of a copy of the Constitution – cloaking himself in the flag, as Republicans were often criticised for doing.

To hear Cheney speak, we were crammed into a decidedly unglamorous and cramped conference room at AEI, favourite think tank of conservative hawks.

The former veep’s speech was factual and unemotional and certainly devoid of the kind of hokey, self-obsessed, campaign-style stuff like this, from Obama’s address today: “I stand here today as someone whose own life was made possible by these documents. My father came to these shores in search of the promise that they offer. My mother made me rise before dawn to learn their truths when I lived as a child in a foreign land.”

In terms of Obama’s purported aim for his speech – to present a plan for closing Guantanamo Bay aimed at placating Congress – he failed. The reception on Capitol Hill was lukewarm with even Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

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Dick Cheney responds

Pic: Toby Harnden

Cheney’s speech wasn’t stylish, there were no rhetorical flourishes and the tone was bitingly sarcastic and disdainful at times. But it was effective in many respects and Cheney showed that Obama is not invulnerable. Here are 10 of the punches he landed on the President’s jaw:

1. “I’ve heard occasional speculation that I’m a different man after 9/11. I wouldn’t say that, but I’ll freely admit that watching a coordinated, devastating attack on our country from an underground bunker at the White House can affect how you view your responsibilities.”

Anyone who was in New York or Washington on 9/11 (I was here in DC) was profoundly affected and most Americans understand this. Obama was, as far as I can tell, in Chicago. His response – he was then a mere state senator for liberal Hyde Park – was startlingly hand-wringing and out of step with how most Americans were feeling. This statement by Cheney reminds people of the tough decisions he and Bush had to make – ones that Obama has not yet faced.

2. “The first attack on the World Trade Center was treated as a law- enforcement problem, with everything handled after the fact: arrests, indictments, convictions, prison sentences, case closed.”

This was the pre-9/11 mindset, much criticised after the attacks. Many sense that this is the approach Obama is increasingly taking hold.

3. “By presidential decision last month, we saw the selective release of documents relating to enhanced interrogations. This is held up as a bold exercise in open government, honoring the public’s right to know. We’re informed as well that there was much agonizing over this decision. Yet somehow, when the soul searching was done and the veil was lifted on the policies of the Bush administration, the public was given less than half the truth.”

The release of the documents was a nakedly political move by Obama and Cheney called him on it. This passage from Obama’s speech today came across as completely disingenuous: “I did not do this because I disagreed with the enhanced interrogation techniques that those memos authorized, and I didn’t release the documents because I rejected their legal rationales — although I do on both counts. I released the memos because the existence of that approach to interrogation was already widely known, the Bush Administration had acknowledged its existence, and I had already banned those methods.”

4. “It’s hard to imagine a worse precedent filled with more possibilities for trouble and abuse than to have an incoming administration criminalize the policy decisions of its predecessor. Apart from doing a serious injustice to intelligence operators and lawyers, who deserve far better for their devoted service, the danger here is a loss of focus on national security and what it requires.”

Obama’s suggestion that Bush administration officials might be prosecuted for legal and policy judgments about what was an was not permissible in interrogations was chilling. I doubt most Americans have any enthusiasm for such a witch-hunt and it flies in the face of Obama’s stated desire not to “re-litigate” the Bush years.

5. “We had a lot of blind spots after the attacks on our country, things we didn’t know about al Qaeda. We didn’t know about al Qaeda’s plans, but Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and a few others did know. And with many thousands of innocent lives potentially in the balance, we did not think it made sense to let the terrorists answer questions in their own good time, if they answered them at all.”

The political climate is very different now from what it was just after 9/11 but it could change again in a heartbeat if and when there is another terrorist attack. Most Americans do not favour torture but do want the CIA and other agencies to question suspected terrorists very vigorously indeed if there is any chance they might know something about an attack on the US homeland.

6. “On his second day in office, President Obama announced he was closing the detention facility at Guantanamo. This step came with little deliberation, and no plan. Now the president says some of these terrorists should be brought to American soil for trial in our court system. Others, he says, will be shipped to third countries; but so far, the United States has had little luck getting other countries to take hardened terrorists.”

Obama’s grand announcement at the start of his administration that Gitmo would be closed within a year was clearly not properly thought out. If he fails to achieve what he promised, he will pay a big political price and Cheney was marking his card on the issue.

7. “The administration has found that it’s easy to receive applause in Europe for closing Guantanamo, but it’s tricky to come up with an alternative that will serve the interest of justice and America’s national security.”

The notion that Obama makes gestures designed to court popularity abroad is one that could find increasing resonance – many Republicans strongly suspect it already.

8. “If fine speech making, appeals to reason, or pleas for compassion had the power to move them, the terrorists would long ago have abandoned the field.”

As Cheney said this, sarcasm dripped from his lips. Obviously “fine speech making” but no real substance is not a new charge against Obama and it hits home. And Cheney successfully made the point that much of the rhetoric from the Left tends to suggest that if only the US did not waterboard people, if only the US was viewed as Obama rather than Bush, Venus rather than Mars then it would be universally loved and al-Qaeda would wither away. UNfortunately, that’s not the real world.

9. “It’s worth recalling that ultimate power of declassification belongs to the president himself. President Obama has used his declassification authority to reveal what happens in the interrogation of terrorists. Now let him use that same power to show Americans what did not happen thanks to the good work of our intelligence officials.”

Cheney is pushing Obama to declassify documents relating to the information gained from terrorist suspects who were subjected to Enhanced Interrogation Techniques. This puts Obama in a bind. If he does so, it prolongs an argument he wants to move on from and prolongs the Obama vs Cheney meme that is distracting and doesn’t really help him. if he doesn’t, he looks like he has something to hide.

10. “To the very end of our administration, we kept al-Qaeda terrorists busy with other problems. We focused on getting their secrets instead of sharing ours with them. And on our watch, they never hit this country again. After the most lethal and devastating terrorist attack ever, 7- 1/2 years without a repeat is not a record to be rebuked and scorned, much less criminalized.”

It’s indisputably an achievement of the Bush administration that it prevented the US from being attacked after 9/11. By ramming this point home, Cheney tees things up for some very tough questioning of Obama in the event that the US is attacked again.
The UK Telegraph

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182 Responses to Cheney Frightens Obama; Insecurity is a terrible thing to have, huh Barack?

  1. karmahd says:

    OHHH am I first

  2. karmahd says:

    I am now let me go read the post!

  3. karmahd says:

    Nicely put, and it does make a shit load of sense what Chaney states. The glass house has been revealed, lets see who continues to throw stones!

  4. VotingFemale says:

    Lol Karma dear…

    and yes sir, Cheney knows what he is talking about!

  5. Foxwood says:

    You were waiting ready to pounce. That’s why you didn’t comment on the other post.

  6. VotingFemale says:

    I recorded Glenn Beck and need to go finish watching his Truth Cast!

  7. Foxwood says:

    Karma, the stones have all ready been thrown… He’s just telling us that the house is still there. It’s like the Kings new cloths.

  8. Foxwood says:

    I was cooking and watching Glenn. Now I watch Bret. I sure liked Brit better tho.

  9. Foxwood says:

    I take it your a cat person VF? I got a cat. Her name is Stinky.

  10. Foxwood says:

    My boy’s name is Mr. Meowgy… Like off of the Karate Kid.

  11. Foxwood says:

    Hello?

    (sniff)

  12. Bellydancer says:

    Hi VF and all
    Happy Holiday weekend.

    Foxwood..I think LHJ may be looking for you.

  13. LisaInTX says:

    Fox
    Where EVER did you find a cricket chirping??LMAO!!! hahahahaaaa
    That is SO FUNNY!! hahahaa

    I always thought they rubbed their hind legs together to make that sound, but looking at the video, his wings are doing it! hahahaa

  14. LisaInTX says:

    Howdy BD
    How you been girl? :-}

  15. LisaInTX says:

    Vf
    Thanks for the GREAT Report! I agree. Things ARE looking up and people are finally seeing what releasing those Top Secret docs was REALLY all about.

  16. Bellydancer says:

    I am good Lisa, how are you? How is your son?

  17. LisaInTX says:

    Everything is great with me. :-} My son returns home in a couple of weeks. YIPEE!!!
    Can’t wait to see him.

  18. LisaInTX says:

    Do you ever hear from Bonez? I think fondly of him , the rotten rascal. :-]

  19. Foxwood says:

    LHJ??? I keep the guys in the white jackets at bay, if that’s what you mean…

  20. LisaInTX says:

    I really miss the old gang on Ireport. NOT THE HATEFUL TROLLS and Shadow accts, but those heated debates. Those really were fun times for the most part. :-}

  21. Foxwood says:

    Lisa Google finds everything…

  22. LisaInTX says:

    Fox
    I’m not sure either what BD is talking about?? lol…oh, unless she is referring to Ladies Home Journal on Ireport??? hahahaa…..

  23. LisaInTX says:

    Fox
    Google what thing? You talking about Bonez or LHJ?

  24. LisaInTX says:

    Oh…you’re talking about your crickets, right? hahaha…that was AWESOME, still laughing over that one..hahaha

  25. Foxwood says:

    Google finds crickets…

  26. Foxwood says:

    Of course the first thing that came up was Buddy Holly.

  27. LisaInTX says:

    Fox, check this one out!!! LMAO—-gives a whole new meaning to the words mate.

  28. Foxwood says:

    I’m watching O’Rilley, Coulter said something about Colin Powel being a Black Republican. I think of him as an infiltrator, less the infil part and more the traitor.

  29. LisaInTX says:

    Maybe this should tie in with the measurement issue men think women do not understand? hahaha
    I’m so baaaaaaaad….lol ;-}

  30. Bellydancer says:

    Lisa,
    Glad to hear your son will be home soon.

    Foxwood..lol yes, I was referring to LadysHoodjnl. She said something about crickets once..your video made me laugh.

  31. LisaInTX says:

    I think Powell is the same as Arlen Specter and NEITHER are GOP.

  32. Foxwood says:

    Yeah Lis, give new meaning to alot of things. Brrrrrrr!

  33. LisaInTX says:

    BD
    That cricket rocks huh? hahahaa
    My son has really been good about staying in contact with us. He has een in 3 IED’s explosions, but no one was seriously hurt. Thank the Good Lord!

  34. Bellydancer says:

    Lisa..LOL LOL That one was almost too much..I think I peed a little

  35. Foxwood says:

    That’s what I’m saying. He’s an infiltrator, saying he’s a Republican, but doing his dirty work within the party. Spector may have been doing the same.

  36. Bellydancer says:

    Hulu is great. My son loves Family Guy.

    I am relieved to hear your son made it through those things.

  37. LisaInTX says:

    BD
    Fox was right, just Google it and it will come! LMAO..hahahaa;-]

    Thanks for the well wishes for my son. We are so proud of him and will just be so happy to have him home safe and sound. :-}

  38. LisaInTX says:

    Fox
    I think both parties need to re-write and clarify their agendas for the 21st century. Neither are anything like they should be and have drifted so far off course as to be un-recognizable. My dad would NOT know the Dem party today.

  39. Bellydancer says:

    ROTFLMAO

    Okay..sorry to be kinda troll-ee..just kidding, heading out. Just wanted to say hello..and meow.

  40. Bellydancer says:

    No doubt about that Lisa..having your son home. Take Care.

  41. LisaInTX says:

    Fox
    Maybe we should find a snake for Belle…lol

    Poor frog is right. :-[
    But the ‘splat’ noise every time he tried to pick him up, and trying to push him up the wall, had me in stitches!! hahaha

  42. Foxwood says:

    I thought trolling was a bad thing. What was BD doing making her a troll? I’ve misunderstood the meaning apparently.

  43. Foxwood says:

    Friday on a holiday weekend is a bad time to have an article…

    http://animal-farm.us/change/the-obama-drool-cup-421

  44. Foxwood says:

    Looks like I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue…

  45. Foxwood says:

    Cut me som’ slac’ jak! Chump don wan no help, chump don git no help. Jive ass dude don got no brains anyhow.

  46. Foxwood says:

    There’s no reason to become alarmed, and we hope you’ll enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?

  47. Foxwood says:

    The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the white zone.

    No, the white zone is for loading of passengers and there is no stopping in a RED zone.

    The red zone has always been for loading and unloading of passengers. There’s never stopping in a white zone.

    Don’t you tell me which zone is for loading, and which zone is for stopping!

    Listen Betty, don’t start up with your white zone shit again.

  48. LisaInTX says:

    See ya BD. I’ve never thought of you as a troll, so please stop by and Meow again soon. :-}
    Sorry took so long to respond.. My server must have went down.:-[

  49. Foxwood says:

    Looks like I pick a bad day to write an article…

    http://animal-farm.us/change/the-obama-drool-cup-421

  50. LisaInTX says:

    Fox
    I left a comment on your report. Well damned said my friend!!
    IMO–Obama’s ‘terminology/aka re-defining of well known words, ‘ is the problem and why so many do not GET IT!

  51. LisaInTX says:

    Obama said it all almost a year ago.
    ‘Don’t Tell me words don’t matter”!
    He meant every bit of what this means. :-/

  52. LisaInTX says:

    US Constitution is a Fundamental ‘Flaw’ according to Obama.

  53. Foxwood says:

    Sorry, I was having fun watching Airplane again. 🙂

    Thanks for the comment. Think I’m headed out for the night, tired.

  54. LisaInTX says:

    Obama: Wolf in Sheep’s clothing

  55. LisaInTX says:

    Night Fox—have a good evening.

  56. Foxwood says:

    Obama’s like Palosi…

  57. ohiobelle says:

    hello.. Mr Belle and I lost Nancy but we’re okay… we’ve been dancing to Tim McGraw CD Reflected… song 5.. Best Song Ever!!! Dancing when the Stars Go Blue.. Best song ever!!

  58. karmahd says:

    OK I am back, good comments, nice to see Bellydancer, I too never thought of her as a troll, actually I dont think of many as trolls, just pissed off frustrated people with no outlets. Diatribe sorry. Time for some music, something a little more current maybe…

  59. ohiobelle says:

    hey karma!! Mr Belle and I are dancing to McGraw CD Reflected… song 5.. Somebody should post that song…

  60. karmahd says:

    I dont even like country but I like this

  61. ohiobelle says:

    Karma, All is awesome… McGraw CD Reflected is the best one ever!!

  62. ohiobelle says:

    We are playing the CD on the deck.. Maybe Nancy will join us.. lol

  63. LisaInTX says:

    Belle. Be VERY grateful “Nancy” is not one of these! lol..don’t throw anything at me…just funnin with ya..heeee. Glad y’all are okay…
    Good night my friends. See ya tomorrow. ;-}

  64. karmahd says:

    I know this one is a little corny but it always gets me. Think about our brothers in arms this weekend!

  65. karmahd says:

    One for the guitar players in here, and guys like this make me pack mine away, take a look and watch the whole thing.

  66. ohiobelle says:

    hey Lisa & Karma.. Mr Belle and I are calling it a night. We are dancing on the deck to song 5 Tim McGraw CD Reflected.. Check it out.

    See you guys in the morning… Maybe Nancy will join us… lol

  67. arlenearmy says:

    Good for Cheney. Somebody needs to put Obama in line.

  68. ohiobelle says:

    I plan on catching that beeeatch tonight.. lol

  69. karmahd says:

    Night all, off to the great white bisquet see ya’s tomorrow

  70. Foxwood says:

    I just got a call, Have to go to work. WAH!

  71. Foxwood says:

    So I’m gonna make myself happy and play Sunshine Superman,

    Because Superman and Green Lantern ain’t got nothing on me.

  72. Foxwood says:

    She asked me why
    why I’m a hairy guy

  73. Foxwood says:

    Headed home to try and sleep some more.

  74. Foxwood says:

    One more before I hit the sack. I know someone who’s not gonna be bright eyed in the morning…

    Here’s a 1964 country tune from the Stoned Rollers…

  75. samiam60 says:

    Good Morning all 🙂 It would seem that the Iron Curtain has been dropped at one once popular Web site and Freedom of Speech has been banned. Sad to say many are now leaving of their own accord as there is not much use for a Blog site that governs with an Iron Fist and controls the opinions and views of its readers. There is now nothing left there for anyone to find of interest.

  76. VotingFemale says:

    Goodness you were working late last night…
    I have the coffee on when you wake up dear.
    till then sleep well zzzzzzzzzzzz

    Foxwood says

    One more before I hit the sack. I know someone who’s not gonna be bright eyed in the morning…

  77. VotingFemale says:

    Ahhhh! Good Morning Sam! 🙂

  78. VotingFemale says:

    The Socialist Trolls killed iWhine

    I guess it was destined to happen and had McCain and Palin won it would have happened a lot sooner than it did…

  79. VotingFemale says:

    To Bellydancer:

    Sorry to have missed your visit, dear. Hope you are well. Have you availed yourself of a wordpress account yet? If so I would add you to the iReport Alumni Community list if you like.

  80. VotingFemale says:

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    Everyone enjoys a good debate… even a heated one.

    Those with a history of starting personal attack flame wars against other commenters are not welcome. Defending oneself from trolling flamers is not considered trolling.

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    Want to take on the Conservatives here?

    Go for it…

    just don’t cause yourself to be classified as a troll. This is not iReport, this is WordPress thus we as individuals enforce our community guidelines and do not look to Big iBrother to do it for us.

  81. samiam60 says:

    Good Morning VF it is so nice to see you. Hope you have a Great Memorial Day weekend planned.

  82. VotingFemale says:

    I hope you do too!

    golf will figure into the weekend weather permitting and doing some cookouts.

    Also a visit to a local cemetery to place flowers and little American Flags at the graves of fallen American Warriors.

    Going to spend time with your son?

  83. samiam60 says:

    Yep this weekend will be spent with all my kids and Grandkids.

  84. VotingFemale says:

    That sounds very cool!!!!!!!!

  85. karmahd says:

    HI Ho Hi HO, off to breakfast I go, Hi HO Hi Ho, do ya want to go, hm. hmm hmmm…

    Fox, you were out with the nightowls, my god, that is the time Rose usually gets up,

  86. karmahd says:

    Morning purrrrr purrrrrr purrrrr VF

  87. VotingFemale says:

    purr….

    stretch…

  88. karmahd says:

    Roll over I will rub your belly, LOL

  89. karmahd says:

    Interesting turn of events on “The Prince” it is looking like he might have out Macheviellied himself with the move to take on Chaney

  90. VotingFemale says:

    meow…. purrrr… purrrr… purrr….

    flexes talons…

  91. VotingFemale says:

    Obama’s primary button was pushed by Cheney…

    And Obama’s fear of what Cheney knows and has chosen so far not to say must keep the Enchanted One up at nights worrying over when the shoe will drop.

    The RNC knows a lot about Obama that has not been revealed…

  92. karmahd says:

    Karma getting clippers…

  93. karmahd says:

    Well, when it was released that Chaney would give the speech he did three weeks ago and at what time, then for Obama to announce his speech would be right before Chaney, it shows weakness. Also the media production with God and country and flags and the constitution and all it was beyond obvious it was a highly planned media event to discredit what Chaney might say. Now I am not a big fan of Chaney, but what he said was from the heart, true as true can be, and accurate. Obama, shooting for the Oscar, looked contrived, the teleprompter is dimming!!!

  94. VotingFemale says:

    Cheney has his faults, all politicians do.
    With that said, he is scaring the crap out of Obama and using facts to do it… that someone gets away with Media covered slamming of the Enchanted One infuriates the Enchanted One to go postal… and we all know when a troll goes postal they just declared themselves as a loser…

    There really is nothing Obama can do that will not be seen as a troll attack on Cheney at this point.

    The Socialists overstepped themselves in a big way with this GITMO/EIT witch hunt of their and now they have been caught quicksand… they more they struggle the faster they sink…

    And they did it to themselves…

    like I said on a previous blog article….

    Go Ahead Dumbass!

    Make My Day!

    re: the GITMO/EIT witch hunt!

    MUUUHHHAAAAAA

  95. karmahd says:

    Yeah all this waterboarding talk and it was done to three of the worst of the worst of the terrorists, the actual leaders of the movement 2-4 in the leadership group. Taking about making a mountain out of a molehill, and in doing so they implicated Pelosi, BRILLIANT move!!

  96. VotingFemale says:

    I am still waiting to hear about Obama’s stated Interrogation techniques that work as well as the EITs he banned.

    Also, the Socialists are swimming against an American tide… the majority polled feel the EITs are necessary and Ok.

  97. karmahd says:

    I would not put it past Bama that he skillfully set Pelosi up to fall, she has more power than Obama, so the infighting continues. And Hoyer, is sitting on the sidelines like a Jackel waiting for the scraps, ok I have to go before it rains again,

  98. VotingFemale says:

    There is smoke and mirrors going on with the Obama Job Approval Rating Polls which just does not jive with specific polls addressing specific issues…

    I am going to do analysis on this and come up with true stats to quantify the real approval disapproval numbers…

    That people “like” Obama’s presentation and orator skills… and like the “idea” of Obama does not hold water when looking at poll stats addressing what he is doing in specific ways.

  99. VotingFemale says:

    Well… he needs Pelosi and he needs Biden… for support and schmoozing in congress to get what he wants…

    Obama was in the tank on the witch hunt until Cheney first went public on Hannity with push back on the witch hunt… it was only within days that Obama started backing out if it…

    Obama was going to let the “photos” go public…
    and go ahead with the “Truth Commission” and all that came to a halt after Cheney took the stage and starting firing back with real facts and moves to shed light on the real story…

    Seems to me the Socialists believed their own propaganda and that no one had the power to stand up to them as Cheney finally did.

  100. m2elena says:

    Hey, I’m just droppin a line, I have an appt. at the mall at the apple store. My MBP internal battery needs replaced. 😦

    As to this VF, I mean- Stalin was beloved even by people he imprisoned. I think Obama has that “cult of personality”…

    VF says: There is smoke and mirrors going on with the Obama Job Approval Rating Polls which just does not jive with specific polls addressing specific issues…

  101. VotingFemale says:

    Seems the Rats Nest of Socialist Thugs and iTrolls have been dealt a mighty blow by the programmers who work for Team iReport.

    Well done, Davidw!!!!

    I took a look at http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-261784

    And the debates are actually civil… uncharacteristic of the usual crap throwing the roving gang of iReport Socialist Trolls and Thugs bring to any iReport they deem as their target.

    The iTroll Flatliners who kept respawning are now history… and their buddies who have not been banned are now all alone… boo hoo hoo

    I see Ctlss deactivated… she was one of the instigators who kept the Trolls fed… Geonite another one who was a troll but escaped the Ban Stick for some odd reason… now she too writes an iReport saying farewell now that her gang has been decapitated. boo hoo hoooo

    There will be none of them left…

    and you know what started all this?

    SPK and AuntieBloJob… with their scheme to run crying to Davidw all the while being gang members of the Socialist Haters Club…

    AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

    Beaten by their own tactics!

    It just does not get better than this!

    …and, davidjw got ten whole comments in 20 hours on his latest iReport… yawn

    9 of which pointed out the bs in the iReport!

    AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

  102. VotingFemale says:

    Yes, he certainly does… people like the “idea” of an Obama, the self-described GIFTED ONE

    m2elena // May 23, 2009 at 11:09 am (edit)

    Hey, I’m just droppin a line, I have an appt. at the mall at the apple store. My MBP internal battery needs replaced. 😦

    As to this VF, I mean- Stalin was beloved even by people he imprisoned. I think Obama has that “cult of personality”…

    VF says: There is smoke and mirrors going on with the Obama Job Approval Rating Polls which just does not jive with specific polls addressing specific issues…

  103. karmahd says:

    All that the press that sides with Bama keep reinforcing is his overall approval rating. When broken down into specifics he is tanking, on the economy, partisanship, fiscal responsibility. But hey those topics are not of interest, it is much more important that we think he is cool and smart and a good speaker!!!! The fog is clearing and the rocks are evermore in site!!!

  104. karmahd says:

    “All that the” I need to slow down and make sense LOL I can write, but my big fingers get the best of me sometimes, it is fun watching the dog flush the quail if you get my meaning!!

  105. Foxwood says:

    Uuuuuuugh! I’m awake. Brain’s not working, but I’m awake.

    Some coffee, please?

  106. karmahd says:

    listening to that song will wake you up!!!

  107. Foxwood says:

    That what I was going for. I’m too old to work on call. The only other choice is manager. I don’t want to be a manager. They’re the first ones to get laid off. As pissed off as I get at them, I know the crews would get pissed off at me.

  108. karmahd says:

    Middle management is the hardest job in the world, you are responsible for the output of work for usually a bunch of unmotivated slugs, and are the scapegoat of upper management, I have been all and upper can be comfy, but it also is not very rewarding since usually you are still doing the bidding of someone higher than your pay grade. That is why I try to stay unemployed, HA

  109. Foxwood says:

    I gotta figure a way to make a living unemployed. 🙂

    I’m sure the Bamster can help.

  110. Foxwood says:

    You feel like a number?
    I’m feeling like rollin’ one up now.

  111. karmahd says:

    OH hell yes, roll a big one, PS I am not unemployed just underemployed, same thing to me!

  112. Foxwood says:

    I’m facing a merger and duplicate jobs will be eliminated, but I’m pretty sure I’m safe. The only thing that could happen is they get someone younger less paid to replace the old fart.

  113. karmahd says:

    Ahhh “yutes” got to love em dont ya!! I try to stay pretty diverse and if need be I have a couple of things I can do to make money, I am just too lazy and complacent to do so right now. But the key is to work for yourself, “if you can make money for someone else you can make money for yourself” I try to keep that in mind. Off to spend money I dont have, be back later, PS what year did you graduate HS I can figure it from there, me 75

  114. Foxwood says:

    Here’s to old farts.

  115. Foxwood says:

    I’m probably the same age then. I was held back at kindergarten and gradgeated in 76.

    Trying to create my own home working environment also. I got a few things going. I’d be a DJ if they got paid. I love my music.

  116. karmahd says:

    Yeah you have a talent for that, do weddings, I saw this guys set up with a apple laptop and a couple of JBL monitors and he rocked it, basically set up the play list before hand and interject his act, sweet set up. I have a couple of web sites I am working on now, will tell more later, but it has nothing to do with politics LOL, that is a small hobby, good we are the same age, and I do not feel it, I have stayed active for job reasons and been lucky with my health

  117. Foxwood says:

    My new house has taken alot of my time. Hope I haven’t wasted the money with the buyout, but when I get time, I’ve got to get my heavy bag back up so I can get back in shape. This 10 hour driving thing does nothing but help me gain weight and atrophy.

  118. Foxwood says:

    Don’t know why I got into that CB radio thing for. That’s what got me into this business.s

  119. Foxwood says:

    And on the weddings and barmitzvah thing. I’m anti-social. I don’t like anybody. That’s why I do so good on the internet. Funny, didn’t used to be that way in my youth. As I get older, all I want to do is buy Ted Kazinski’s shack and hole up.

  120. Foxwood says:

    Foxwood said:
    “I’m anti-social. I don’t like anybody.”

    Hmmmm… Must be why everybody left… 🙂

  121. VotingFemale says:

    We didn’t all leave!

    lol

    just checking in!

    Lets get some beer and go fishing! 😀

    I know how much guys love fishing and beer! 😉

  122. Foxwood says:

    The Beatles, Stones, Birds, Beach Boys and other groups would do parodies of each others songs and sometimes joined in the studio sessions, tho they were never given credit on the album.

    This was a parody album from the Beatles ‘Let it Be’.
    The Rolling Stones, Gimme Shelter.

  123. Foxwood says:

    Hmmm… seems I remember when me and my buds went fishin’ we took rolling papers…

  124. VotingFemale says:

    LOVE that song Fox (gimme Shelter)

    hoooooo hoooooooooooo hoooooo000

  125. Foxwood says:

    So did I tell you about my cats?

  126. m2elena says:

    Hellooooooo … I’m heading out to a wee cookout!
    Have a lovely night.

  127. Foxwood says:

    I’ve been looking for Rick Moranis’ spoof of Neil Youngs ‘Needle and the Damage Done’ and can’t find it.

    Was so funny.

    A kockin on my door was Steven Stills
    He asked me if I wanna buy some pills
    eeeeewwww the damage done.

    Then along came Gramme Nash
    He asked me if I wanna buy some hash
    eeeeewwww the damage done.

  128. VotingFemale says:

    Mr Meowgi? tee hee

  129. VotingFemale says:

    claws on

    claws off

  130. Foxwood says:

    I’ve never cooked wee before… Can’t taste good.

  131. Foxwood says:

    Must of heard the story… He’s my outdoor cat. If I don’t let him out during the day, he’ll wake you up in the middle of the night.

  132. arlenearmy says:

    Cheney is the type who is not going to sit back & let Obama get away w/the lies.

    I keep hearing some folks say that Cheney needs to be quiet. Let me remind those folks that some yrs. ago Cheney said something to the effect that America don’t need a permission slip from foreign nations or others to protect itself or to do what is in its best interest.

    Therefore, Cheney don’t need Bush’s or GOP’s permission to speak up for America.

  133. Foxwood says:

    Your right Arlene… I want him to say more. I don’t know your feeling on Netanyahu, but I feel him and Cheney are of the same mold. I don’t think Israel needs us to tell them to hold back.

    They both are looking out for their country. I hope we don’t find out the hard way that Bush and Cheney kept more from happening in our country. We are letting our guard down and the terrorists see this. This is not a good way to learn a lesson.

  134. Foxwood says:

    Is that a flag behind you Arlene? You patriotic girl 🙂

  135. Foxwood says:

    As your cooking out and taking the extra day off, let’s remember the fallen hero’s that gave us our freedom.

    Let’s hope we can keep our freedom.

  136. arlenearmy says:

    Foxwood: Yes that’s the Flag behind me 🙂

  137. arlenearmy says:

    Fox:
    We’re going to have a cookout tomorrow for Memorial Day. Of course, we will honor the fallen on tomorrow & today we sat around and talked about our days in the military. Some brought up the Vietnam war & their buddies who were KIA. I really wished we had a flag pole. Im tempted to hang the flag from a tree. But I dont want the wind to blow it down.

  138. arlenearmy says:

    Hello VF
    This is a good day for camping at the lake.

  139. VotingFemale says:

    Arlene we have always had a flag bracket next to the front door… 45 degree angle with a short flag poll…

    we will be going to the local cemetery to leave flowers and little american flags for the fallen

  140. VotingFemale says:

    it turned cold here over night and only hi 60s today… weather here is so unpredictable… can be cold hot or anywhere inbetween until we get into june

  141. arlenearmy says:

    VF
    that is really great. We are gonna sit at home & do a cook out w/my in-laws (who are great folks).

  142. VotingFemale says:

    Fox, are you a vet, dear?

  143. VotingFemale says:

    And Arlene, thank you and your husband for your service to our country…

    ==Salute==

  144. arlenearmy says:

    brb
    gotta help cleaning out the boat. looks like the fish are dead. the live well must of had a leak. Oh well, I guess we will have BBQ ribs instead for tomorrow.

  145. VotingFemale says:

    glad to hear you have great inlaws, Honey…

    I was hoping you two would have a good time this weekend and you both need and deserve it…

    you got the rough stuff behind you now… tg

  146. VotingFemale says:

    i am out for a bit…

  147. Foxwood says:

    Arlene,
    At one time in my youth, I was a very liberal, flower power, dope smoking protester. Some one told me he fought for my right to protest. I thought about it. It really wasn’t till the first gulf war that I changed.

    I kid about my dope smoking days, but I’ve changed. I know what it takes to be free. People can call me a chicken hawk, but I was a war protester, and now I know what war is for. I have people like you Arlene to thank for keeping our country free.

    If we lower our defenses we will be looking at another 9/11. We’ve already learned our lesson. We are not out of the water yet. Fools are what will make our country hurt again. They don’t understand that we always have to be ready. They have “more important” things on their mind, like how to socialize our country.

    The men and women that fought and died for our country and freedom will have died for nothing if we give up our freedoms. We must be free. And we must remember, freedom’s not free.

  148. Foxwood says:

    VF, if you read the above, no. I wish so now. Call me a chicken hawk, I’ve changed my ways. 🙂

  149. VotingFemale says:

    Fox, you are still a patriot dear…

  150. m2elena says:

    I will never know what it is to be a hippie!

    Never.

    LOL
    (and when I watch the documentaries on History, it looks like they were more emotional problem/burdened and strung out on drugs than “happy”…) Esp. that Haight-Ashbury phenomena, where kids became homeless and drug addicts. Looks like sad times to me.

  151. Foxwood says:

    I have some good memories, and sometimes no memories, but the past is the past.

  152. m2elena says:

    I have good memories, I went to art school. And I never had to be a hippy or liberal there, lol!

    I just realized my “print manager” was taking up 97% of my CPU energy! Woah… that’s messed up. I don’t even use a printer!

  153. karmahd says:

    I was a surf redneck dope smoking athlete who liked to drink a lot of beer, it served me well when I was young, but the older you get the more you realize you have to give up something so I quit surfing!

  154. karmahd says:

    And surely I jest, and stop calling me Shirley

  155. karmahd says:

    Ok I am here everyone can go now, he he

  156. Foxwood says:

    Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?

  157. Foxwood says:

    The Five Man Electric Band
    Signs

  158. LisaInTX says:

    Hi Guys. What’s UP?? Who is Joey and Shirley? hahahaa….Are we still watching “Airplane”? ;-]

  159. LisaInTX says:

    Fox and Karma,
    I was a ‘flower child’ of the 60’s…used to wear a headband and make posters, “Make Love, not War!” Then I grew up and smelled the warzone of life and had me a big dose of reality. ;-}
    Never much into drugs, but did partake of Tequila Gold with a beer chaser from time to time, when I really wanted to get STUPID!…lol

  160. LisaInTX says:

    Fox, cool song. It was one of my favorites. ;-]
    IMO–Signs have replaced COMMON SENSE! Seems more and more people lack that and must have a sign to point them in the ‘right’ direction.
    Soon young people will not even be able to read a street map, because they have GPS to tell them where to go….:-/

  161. LisaInTX says:

    I’m headed to bed since no one is home. Good night all.
    Here is a little tribute I did for my son.
    http://lisaintx.wordpress.com/2009/05/23/memorial-day-tribute-to-my-son-and-our-troops/

  162. arlenearmy says:

    Lisa
    I really do appreciate your son. When I see young folks join the military nowadays, it makes me feel more proud & that my service meant something.

  163. VotingFemale says:

    Indy 500 noon eastern… that is a must watch in this house lol

    mmm… well perhaps Danica Patrick will do well

  164. samiam60 says:

    Happy Memorial day to all my friends and all Veterans.

  165. VotingFemale says:

    Happy Memorial Day Sam!!!! hugs dear

  166. samiam60 says:

    Thank you VF, I am so saddened by this Holiday more than others as I think of all the many Forgotten Veterans of a by gone day that are no longer remembered for their sacrifice.
    I am referring to like the Cival War Era and before.

  167. Foxwood says:

    Good morning Sam, VF. That’s a good point Sam.

  168. VotingFemale says:

    Good Morning Fox!

    Sam, many Americans do remember… real Americans.

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