Nancy Pelosi Political Self-Destruction Unfolds

Nancy Pelosi is even more of a danger
to the Socialist Party
than Sarah Palin

Video Clip of Nancy Pelosi News Conference on Thursday, May 14, 2009 where she accuses the CIA of Lying to her about use of Enhanced Interrogation Techniques. She again maintains she was never informed that Enhanced Interrogation Techniques were used on high value Terrorist Detainees.

CIA says Pelosi is lying,as does others, and the CIA has produced proof  she was briefed, thus she is lying.

Nancy Pelosi’s is committing Total Political Suicide.

Calls for her resignation are being made.

Her denial of her informed knowledge of the use of, and the lack of her disapproval of, Enhanced Interrogation Techniques and her confrontation with the CIA calling the CIA liars  is going to destroy her political career. I question her mental stability and viability.

Pelosi’s zeal to destroy the GOP and the previous Administration has apparently driven her insane.

Nancy Pelosi’s Political Self-Destruction

is absolute and total proof that…

YES THERE IS A GOD!

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256 Responses to Nancy Pelosi Political Self-Destruction Unfolds

  1. arlenearmy says:

    There seems to be a push back by the left on Pelosi.

    Most of my family in Texas are die hard democrats & have all said that they don’t like Pelosi & feel that she lied. They say she’s a trouble who needs to go away. I found it revealing that liberals feel that Pelosi is harmful to Obama’s agenda.

    Personally, as a conservative, I think she needs to keep doing what she’s doing. Why ? Because I want her self-destruct (politically). I wonder if the admin. will shut her down.

  2. Indycoltsfan says:

    Hello Arlene. How are you?

  3. Indycoltsfan says:

    I think pelosi has been insane all along.

  4. Indycoltsfan says:

    VF, Are you going to drop another f-bomb? LOL!

  5. Foxwood says:

    Man! I posted too late. I loved good ol’ Screamin’ Jay Hawkins. One of my favorites.

    Looks like Palosi is the one with the curse.

  6. Foxwood says:

    Back to work again. BBL everyone.

  7. VotingFemale says:

    Pelosi has thrown down the gauntlet and challanged the CIA. I don’t think even Obama can stop this runaway freight train now…

    seems it has now taken on a life if its own.
    The CIA will defend itself… and Pelosi will be political roadkill.

    arlenearmy says

    There seems to be a push back by the left on Pelosi.

    Most of my family in Texas are die hard democrats & have all said that they don’t like Pelosi & feel that she lied. They say she’s a trouble who needs to go away. I found it revealing that liberals feel that Pelosi is harmful to Obama’s agenda.

    Personally, as a conservative, I think she needs to keep doing what she’s doing. Why ? Because I want her self-destruct (politically). I wonder if the admin. will shut her down.

  8. VotingFemale says:

    and adding to that is the feeding frenzy the Media is now in… I don’t see a way out for the Queen of Lies.

  9. VotingFemale says:

    Arlene I also have two previous posts published today… in case you didnt know.

  10. Indycoltsfan says:

    I hope the GOP is saving all these film clips and sound bytes for 2010. I wish I did political ads. There is just too much good stuff out there right now to use.

  11. rosehips says:

    vf, aren’t you a day ahead of yourself? unless I’m confused, today is Thursday…

    no matter.

    I think it may be time for nancy to step down. her leadership is cracking and her credibility in shambles. I’m curious to see how it all plays out.

  12. VotingFemale says:

    There is a gold mine of videos Indy…

    and yeah it is a “target rich environment”

    and we are just getting started…

    The four years of the Obama term in office is turning out to be the biggest Political Circus in our lifetime.

  13. VotingFemale says:

    I meant Thursday lol

    thanks Rose!

  14. arlenearmy says:

    hello vf and all:

    Im on fairly early today. Yep, I saw the previous post (about Obama’s citizenship & Palin).

  15. VotingFemale says:

    OK, Arlene… I am always disappointed to be on a different schedule from you most days… sigh.

  16. VotingFemale says:

    Rose, I fixed the Friday to read Thursday… lol
    tnx again

  17. arlenearmy says:

    Its been raining, thundering & lighting everyday for past 2 weeks. My gardening is still not completed because ground is too soggy.

    W/mom still ailing & gardening not finished, I am still juggling the political stuff. I hear that some political races have already started for governors. I don’t have the full scoop on that yet. But I need to get out on the ground to assist in turning this mess around in this country.

  18. rosehips says:

    no problem vf, you no me, here to keep you honest…even if you are only lying about the day. 😉

  19. Indycoltsfan says:

    She will never resign. She enjoys being Queen Pelosi too much. They will have to impeach her or force her out some other way. In the meantime I hope she does a tremendous amount of political damage to her party of commicrats.

  20. VotingFemale says:

    I think it is going to be difficult to talk her down off the ledge, Rose. She has obviously convienced herself of her own lie. I have seen this happen… just not in such a serious and public way. And she is third in line for the office of president with a very old VP. oy vey

    rosehips says
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    I think it may be time for nancy to step down. her leadership is cracking and her credibility in shambles. I’m curious to see how it all plays out.

  21. rosehips says:

    arlene, the weather has been wet and cold here too. Last year in May we had a run of 100 degree weather here. I just read they think it might be because of solar storms, or sunspots.

  22. rosehips says:

    you think biden is very old? boy, I bet he wouldn’t like to hear you say that. How old is he?

  23. Indycoltsfan says:

    Pelosi lives in a world of lies. She wouldn’t know the truth if it fell out of the sky and hit her in the head.

  24. arlenearmy says:

    vf
    its ok. i tend to catch up. even when im out of town. att sent me an air connect device when i was in houston. i use it when im out of town.

    i got to keep blogging. blogging does help the cause more than you realize. i hear this all the time from the folks working within the party.

    even when some of yall are in bed sleep, i get online & follow thru & do my part.

  25. VotingFemale says:

    If things were not so one sided with respect to this Socialist take over I would feel sorry for the DEM party. But with all that is going on… I see this Pelosi Explosion as a blessing… and hopefully a full investigation is undertaken to expose all there is to expose.

    This Peolis witch hunt, and it is her doing, was ill advised and very nasty partisan warfare… and it turns out to be a road side bomb exploding on the Left Side of the road.

  26. VotingFemale says:

    I consider you a steadfast sister blog warrior, Arlene.

    arlenearmy says

    vf
    its ok. i tend to catch up. even when im out of town. att sent me an air connect device when i was in houston. i use it when im out of town.

    i got to keep blogging. blogging does help the cause more than you realize. i hear this all the time from the folks working within the party.

    even when some of yall are in bed sleep, i get online & follow thru & do my part.

  27. rosehips says:

    hmmm…just got my daily Huff Post, which incidently I really rarely read, but this caught my eye: The Washington Times had an article about murdered Chicago children and printed a photo of the Obama girls. Is that in bad taste or what?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/14/iwashington-timesi-run-ob_n_203413.html

  28. arlenearmy says:

    rose
    Its so wet here that hubby & I gotta wear hi-top rubber boots… sloshing in the mud.

    He got some of the tomatoes planted in the upside down planter. But I got to get the other stuff in the grown.

    I had to help get that chicken house finished in the rain. Now that was a chore when the wind started blowing.

    To add on, somebody dumped their dog off in the country. The dog showed up at our house & wont leave. We took the dog into town but he came back to our house. Oh well, I bought him a flea/tick collar & dog food. Hubby said that the 1st time he see that dog charge at the chickens, the dog must go. So I gave the dog a name. I call him Bush.

  29. arlenearmy says:

    indy
    I think Pelosi is up for re-election. Not for sure. But I hear that her popularity in California is dropping really fast. Keep your fingers crossed that she she gets voted out of office.

  30. rosehips says:

    but isn’t this just a deflection from the real issue vf? if Nancy knew and didn’t make an issue of it she is culpable of being privy to a crime and should be sanctioned. But the fact remains that the US practiced waterboarding even though it is illegal under US law.

    from Feb 2008 LA Times:
    Congress has passed two laws — the Detainee Treatment Act in 2005 and the Military Commissions Act in 2006 — that ban the use of harsh interrogation methods and require all U.S. agencies to comply with the Constitution and the Geneva Conventions in their treatment of detainees.

    In addition, the Pentagon published a new Army field manual in 2006 that limits interrogation techniques and bans harsh methods, including waterboarding, hoods and mock executions. And the Supreme Court in 2006 struck down the Bush administration’s system for holding and prosecuting detainees, saying it failed to provide protections under the Geneva Conventions

  31. Indycoltsfan says:

    arlene, I t would be more fun and more humiliating for her to get impeached or be forced to step down as speaker and be stripped of her jet.

  32. rosehips says:

    how are you chickens doing arlene? they must be getting big.

  33. arlenearmy says:

    Correct me if Im wrong …. Is Pelosi accusing the current CIA ?

  34. arlenearmy says:

    rose
    those chickens are eating 3 times a day. Yes, they are getting huge. But not big enough to eat yet ?

  35. VotingFemale says:

    Arlene, she is accusing current CIA spokespeople of Lying.

  36. VotingFemale says:

    current CIA spokespeople are the ones refuting her lies about what she knew and when she knew it.

  37. VotingFemale says:

    There is no crime with regards to the use of Enhanced Interrogation Techniques… there is allegation that Enhanced Interrogation Techniques is a crime and it is not a crime. People saying it is a crime does not make it a crime. I think Abortion is a crime. Does that make it a crime?

    Pelosi aided and abetted lawful Enhanced Interrogations Techniques… which she now wants to be a crime and lying saying she did not aid and abet the lawful Enhanced Interrogations Techniques. And she calls the Central Intelligence Agency Liars…

    rosehips says

    but isn’t this just a deflection from the real issue vf? if Nancy knew and didn’t make an issue of it she is culpable of being privy to a crime and should be sanctioned. But the fact remains that the US practiced waterboarding even though it is illegal under US law.

  38. VotingFemale says:

    She is delusional…

  39. VotingFemale says:

    Perez Hilton’s lame blog post about Sarah Palin backing up Miss California! HAHAHAHAHA

    http://perezhilton.com/2009-05-14-duh-sarah-palin-defends-miss-california

    and excerpt…
    “What we find just as remarkable is Palin’s hair. She’s got good hair, eh?”

    My response… just who is the “WE” you speak of? You and your little pocket buddy Perez Jr? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  40. Indycoltsfan says:

    Hey check this out!!!

  41. Indycoltsfan says:

    I they want to sell these cars. Sell them for 2 grand per vehicle. I will buy 2 of them. I’ve got 2 old clunkers with 150 k miles on each of them. I could use new cars but not at 20 g’s per vehicle. The auto industry will have to learn the same lessons that every one else has learned and is learning. If you want to sell a produst in a tough economy you have to keep discounting it until it sells. That’s Retail 101

  42. VotingFemale says:

    Indy, I have always seen cars stacked up like that for years at the Boston Port of entry… it is like a sea of cars and that was before the economy went south.

  43. VotingFemale says:

    Those car carrier cargo ships dump thousands of cars in one area which await delivery to dealerships.

  44. Indycoltsfan says:

    That’s true vf, but I’ll bet all the car manufacturers have record amounts of unsold inventory stashed all around the country and the world. Think about it. Say if the economy turns around by 2011 and they start selling lots of cars again. Who will want a 2009 model that has been sitting on a lot for 2 years. It makes more sense to deep discount them until they get rid of the excess inventory. They are going to have to do it sooner or later. Again Retail 101

  45. VotingFemale says:

    Well for sure the car industry is in serious trouble… thanks to the Socialist arm twisting Fanny Freedie and lots of other banks into making sub-prime loans to folks who defaulted and started the melt down…

  46. VotingFemale says:

    seems everyone wandered off…
    I will check back later…

  47. rosehips says:

    vf, can’t we also say just because one says waterboarding isn’t a crime doesn’t make it legal?

    I looked up the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 and although I am having trouble finding where the allowable interrogation techniques are, I am willing to wager that waterboarding isn’t included. Abortion is clearly legal whether one claims it is or not. But simply stating waterboarding is not a crime would never hold up in court. I’m pretty sure of that. This is what I found:

    SEC. 1002. UNIFORM STANDARDS FOR THE INTERROGATION OF PERSONS UNDER THE DETENTION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE.

    (a) In General- No person in the custody or under the effective control of the Department of Defense or under detention in a Department of Defense facility shall be subject to any treatment or technique of interrogation not authorized by and listed in the United States Army Field Manual on Intelligence Interrogation.

  48. Indycoltsfan says:

    I am going to hold back on any car purchase right now and keep my old stuff running . I recommend everyone else do that as well because when they close those dealerships it will add more inventory to the already over inventory of cars and you will be able to buy cars at fire sale prices when that happens.

  49. House of cards for Obma and Co. Don’t you think?

  50. Indycoltsfan, you are correct.We get a list of the auction ones in Atlanta and Tampa and those lists are GINORMOUS.There are so many barely used cars for sale as well as the new ones it is incredible. I have a brother that works for Nissan in TN and they have been cut (hours work) to nothing for a long time already.

  51. LisaInTX says:

    Afternoon Everyone. :-]
    Power has been off here for 8 hrs….almost had blog withdrawal syndrome. ;-]
    Okay when Pelosi is attempting to defend herself, the term is “Enhanced Interrogation Techniques, but when on the political attack, it is termed TORTURE!
    What a hypocritical wind-bag liar!

    Mrs. Pelosi insisted at a news conference that “We were not — I repeat — were not told that waterboarding or any of these other enhanced interrogation methods were used.” Mrs. Pelosi also claimed that the CIA “did not tell us they were using that, flat out. And any, any contention to the contrary is simply not true.” She had earlier said on TV, “I can say flat-out, they never told us that these enhanced interrogations were being used.”

  52. You know Obama will THROW NANCY UNDER THE BUS, Let’s just hope she squeals like a piggy! A stuck piggy! And drags down as many as possible with her!!!!!!

  53. Indycoltsfan says:

    warrantonegirl , They have to do something with these cars and there will be thousands. You can’t keep them stored for years because the fluids will go bad so at some point they will have to price them to sell quick.

  54. Indycoltsfan says:

    good afternoon lisa!

  55. Indycoltsfan says:

    maybe pelosi will die of swine flu after all the pork she had added to the non stimulus bill.

  56. Foxwood says:

    I wanted to repost this because it’s such a good song and it needs to be dedicated to Nancy Palosi. The 45rpm version is much better.

    Everybody’s heard Credence Clearwater Revival’s version of the song.

    I Put A Spell On You – Screamin’ Jay Hawkins from the 45 (1957)
    This one was done on the Arsinio Hall show.

  57. rosehips says:

    Found it!
    According to the United States Army Field Manual on Intelligence Part 2 5-75

    “If used in conjunction with intelligence interrogation prohibited actions include, but are not limited to:
    Forcing the detainee to be naked, perform sexual acts or pose in a sexual manner
    Placing hoods or sacks over the head of the detainee, using duct tape over the eyes
    Applying beatings, electric shock, burns, or other forms of physical pain
    “waterboarding”
    Using military working dogs
    Inducing hypothermia or heat injury
    Conducting mock executions
    Depriving the detainee of necessary food, water, or medical care”

    Interrogationhttp://www.fcnl.org/pdfs/civ_liberties/Field_Manual_Sept06.pdf

  58. samhenry says:

    Afternoon all. IndyC – you would have to buy one of those cars for $5,000 max to make it work out for you. I’ve done some reading up on it and, with the more fuel effcient cars coming on line over the next few years, if you want to get rid of one, you will have to have an ashes after the fire sale. HOWEVER, on the other side, these new cars will have to prove themselves and after that you will have got your money out of said car and can leave it at the side of the road OR ship it to Cuba the haven for old US cars. Whatever the road taken, it will be interesting. AND remember what the old sage Yoggi Bera said: “When you come to a fork in the road, take it.”

  59. rosehips says:

    lisa, I researched the law under the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 and it clearly states that ”
    “No person in the custody or under the effective control of the Department of Defense or under detention in a Department of Defense facility shall be subject to any treatment or technique of interrogation not authorized by and listed in the United States Army Field Manual on Intelligence Interrogation.”

    As you can see above, in the US Army Field Manual under Part 2 Section 5-75, waterboarding is prohibited.

    I don’t know how anyone can dispute this, but I am open to hearing how you might. Please convince me that waterboarding is legal. I am very close to being convinced that it is absolutely illegal.

  60. samhenry says:

    VF excellent prognosis for the Pelosi patient:
    Her denial of her informed knowledge of the use of, and the lack of her disapproval of, Enhanced Interrogation Techniques and her confrontation with the CIA calling the CIA liars is going to destroy her political career. I question her mental stability and viability.

    When in the history of this country attempted this kind off deflection on this scale?

  61. samhenry says:

    Pelosi is late to the party to decry the CIA. She should have launched an investigation at the first whif of possible torture. Oh, yes, I forgot, if she doesn’t keep up with the Congressional record then we should not expect her to re-read the “update” (I’ll use the vernacular so she can follow along) of the Geneva convention 1984. Torture is also seen to include mental torture such as waterboarding (you think you are drowning) but more important even 9/11 would not have precluded the following:

    2. No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a
    threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency,
    may be invoked as a justification of torture.

    http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/39/a39r046.htm

    Speaking of war – red hot war of today – we are so short of troops and equipment it is recommended that we raid other branches of the military for both. This is to say the least, frightening. I come from the era of duck and cover. I feel exposed without my school desk.

  62. LisaInTX says:

    Rose
    Good job. However, Those ‘detainees” that were interrogated were “Enemy Combatants” captured on the battle field. I don’t think they fall under the DOD, but under the CIA. If I understand it right, The Army field manuel does apply to regular captured soldiers that fall under Military detainment.
    The Captured Terrorists are a whole different can of worms.

  63. VotingFemale says:

    Show me the law that waterboarding was a crime and perhaps we can agree on something.

    rosehips says
    vf, can’t we also say just because one says waterboarding isn’t a crime doesn’t make it legal?

  64. VotingFemale says:

    A law against something renders it a crime… in the absence of a law against something.. that something is not a crime. That is what I am saying, Rose.

  65. samhenry says:

    RH – field manual is closer to us. But the issue of extreme torture goes back to the 1980s as an international issue. Will also try to dig out justification for its use. But if wiretapping was made legal, wouldn’t waterboarding have been condoned? War is hell as they say and as I have said, so now the world knows we used waterboarding. So it means the military is going even deeper into virtual torture and then when caught will say it couldn’t have happend, the computer was down and the service call was in.

  66. LisaInTX says:

    Rose
    Waterboarding is NOT true torture. It is a scare tactic–a feeling of drowning and one that had a doctor present should things go wrong. They only did this treatment to 3 detainees, last I heard.
    No one died from this treatment, no one lost any body parts or had bamboo shoots jammed under their fingernails, had their testicles chopped off and slammed down their throats before being beheaded, electrocuted, burned with fire, disfigured, etc….

  67. samhenry says:

    Lisa – but isn’t mental torture true tortue?

  68. VotingFemale says:

    Perhaps Obama will borrow the money from China to buy those cars the give them away to folks in return for votes.

    Indycoltsfan says
    warrantonegirl , They have to do something with these cars and there will be thousands. You can’t keep them stored for years because the fluids will go bad so at some point they will have to price them to sell quick.

  69. samhenry says:

    Personally, I am not sure waterboarding is EXTREME torture. But it is a form of torture. However, it is, as you rightly point out Lisa – not at level of what is on the Militant Muslim Menu. This war IS different. We are dealing with a global movement against the west. Religious fanatics are almost unstoppable. Waterboarding in this context is not what eveyone is making it.

  70. LisaInTX says:

    Waterboarding was truly a HUMANE way to gain information without physical damage, it only causes fear of drowning. Now that our enemies know this is what we used, it will no longer be an effective tool as they will be ready for it now. :-/ I hate to think of what tactic will be used in its place now. This was a Cluster-Fu-k on Obamas part in releasing the TOP SECRET memos. He is an inexperienced NON-MILITARY moron, that has compromised our national security and has put our troops at risk overseas. IMO.

  71. LisaInTX says:

    Samh
    If they walk away intact with all their body parts right where they were when they entered the room, I’d say they were the lucky ones. Can’t say the same for our soldiers that have suffered REAL torture and either never came home or came back in bloody pieces.

  72. samhenry says:

    The new definition of torture will be to force anyone in the US to drive a surplus, wothless car. It will be called “runningboarding.”

  73. rosehips says:

    so lisa, does this mean I have to find the definition of a “detainee”? because it doesn’t say anything about “Enemy Combatants” . I mean, aren’t all detainees enemy combatants?
    I don’t understand how the Gitmo detainees don’t qualify. So there are special rules for the CIA???? That’s ludicrous, imo.

    vf, I posted the law above.

  74. VotingFemale says:

    Torture is a word…

    Just like “adjustments” is a word…

    “Global Warming” a pair of words…

    “Progressive” is a word…

    Many words are used to obfuscate/confuse or attack a thing for political reasons.

    In my serious opinion… the act of aborting a premature baby is torture… the cause if his or her death is murder… That the Socialists condone and legalize abortion on one hand and wait till an administration is out of office to decide to define Enhanced Interrogation Techniques as so-call torture is blatant partisan bickering and harmful to our country and troops in the field of battle and in view of Abortion is so hypocritical it is insane in my view.

  75. rosehips says:

    lisa, and many think abortion is inhumane but it is still legal. Why would the Dept of Defense consider waterboarding cruel and inhumane and the CIA not? That sounds like a double standard to me and a gross misinterpretation of law if it’s true.

  76. rosehips says:

    vf, no mention of torture in the law. read above…they specifically call it waterboarding and it is illegal under the law.

  77. samhenry says:

    Lisa – agreed that Obama needs a mama as a secretary, but I believe he had to release them as part of a court decision surrounding a legal case filed by the ACLU that finally came to the point where release was legally required.

    VF, help me out here with this analysis.

  78. rosehips says:

    Bush signed the law so I don’t see how you can pin it on socialists, nor do I think you can fairly pin abortion legislation on socialists.

  79. VotingFemale says:

    That damn Neil Cavuto of FOX News is pissing me off again. If that jerk does not get off Palin’s Back I am doing to declare Blogger Jihad on his gravelly-voiced ass.

    I have had it with him.

    And even that Socialist blonde congresswoman from Florida kicked his butt in an interview.

  80. LisaInTX says:

    Samh
    some people are deathly afraid of bugs, spiders, snakes, roller coasters, etc….IMO…Waterboarding is no different. They got up and walked away and have been well cared for. They had 3 squares a day, tV, Music, and were not mis-treated or left to starve to death.
    This is so much a non issue, but one that the ACLU is pushing in order to push us towards International Law-the UN, and doing away with American law and our Constitution.

  81. rosehips says:

    I do not wish to debate whether waterboarding is right, wrong, torture or humane. I only want to point out that it is illegal. If you think it should be legal, I would suggest writing your representatives to author a bill to change the law.

  82. rosehips says:

    lisa, so you are disputing then that waterboarding is illegal under US law and the Constitution?

  83. samhenry says:

    Sorry, correction – Students for a Democratic Society – SDS.

  84. samhenry says:

    Lisa – I have no love of the ACLU. They are all former members of the Studens For Democratic Action from the late 1960s and early 1970s. I was on campus then. It was not pretty. I had to cross their d…. picket lines to get to the college classes I had paid for only to run into a professor who acosted me and said: “you should be out there supporting your classmen.”

  85. samhenry says:

    Lisa I grew up in a time when rumor had it the the Rockefellers and others were pushing for global world government. First we send in the corporations….

  86. rosehips says:

    vf, you asked me to show you the law and I feel that I did. Are you going to ignore the time I just spent proving my point?

    vf said: Show me the law that waterboarding was a crime and perhaps we can agree on something.

  87. LisaInTX says:

    Samh
    Obama created an aexceutive order that day he became president, one that revoked one that Bush had signed and one that allowed Obama to GO AFTER the existing Admin, while restricting his own executive decisons to being viewed by his Atty General.
    This witch-hunt on the Bush admin, was planned BEFORE Obama was sworn into office.

  88. VotingFemale says:

    It was deemed legal and congress, including Nancy Pelosi, was included in the briefings on EITs and she did not call it a crime and did not disapprove it it, Rose. That is a recorded fact of history.

    rosehips says

    right, wrong, torture or humane. I only want to point out that it is illegal.

  89. rosehips says:

    and in the DOD Army Field manual they state that inhanced interrogation techniques are ineffective. This is the Dept of Defense saying this. Who can show evidence of their error?

  90. rosehips says:

    where was it deemed legal vf? I have shown a law that explicitly deems it illegal. You can’t just say something is legal and make it true.

  91. LisaInTX says:

    Rose These are two separate entities with separate jobs to do.

    Rose asks
    Why would the Dept of Defense consider waterboarding cruel and inhumane and the CIA not?

  92. rosehips says:

    just because some officials deemed it legal does not make it so. The CIA does not create the laws or am I missing something here?

  93. samhenry says:

    Lisa – my last two comments support your view.

  94. rosehips says:

    the LAW is the LAW…one entity cannot change the law to suit them unless they are a law making body. Neither the CIA or the DOD make the laws. They are required to FOLLOW LAWS, not bend them to suit their needs.

  95. VotingFemale says:

    And I will be frank… personally I think real torture is called for in extreme cases… not EITs.

    And if some people want to condone abortion and faint at the sight of water boarding terrorist killers of civilian men women and children then they can take a their meds and return to their padded cells, in my view.

    War is war… and I am sorry there is such a thing… and I say cut off fingers and ears and toes if that is what it takes to make terrorist killers roll over and spill the intel we need to protect citizens and our troops.

  96. rosehips says:

    vf, I am not asking you what you think or feel. I am trying to establish if there are any laws that allow waterboarding. So far I have seen nothing to support your statements.

  97. LisaInTX says:

    Rose
    The CIA does NOT follow the ARMY Field Manuel.

  98. rosehips says:

    VF I’m sure the Dept of Defense has very good supporting evidence for their stating that EIT don’t work. Just because we think they work, that doesn’t make it so. If you had your finger cut off and they were threatening to cut another, wouldn’t you tell them what they wanted to hear, whether it was true or not?

  99. rosehips says:

    lisa, do they follow the law? if so show me a law that allows waterboarding.

  100. VotingFemale says:

    If it was a crime it would have been disallowed by the US Department of Justice, Rose.

    rosehips says

    vf, I am not asking you what you think or feel. I am trying to establish if there are any laws that allow waterboarding. So far I have seen nothing to support your statements.

  101. LisaInTX says:

    samh
    LOL…about the Rockefellers! My dad said the exact same thing. They would not be happy until they owned the world! And add JP Morgan and Kissinger to the list too.
    My dad also said more than once that FDR was a Commie! LMAO

  102. rosehips says:

    and the law does not say it is only for the ARMY. The law says that all detainee interrogations must follow the army manual.

  103. VotingFemale says:

    I would never need to be tortured. I will spill it like a bucket of milk. lol

    rosehips says

    VF I’m sure the Dept of Defense has very good supporting evidence for their stating that EIT don’t work. Just because we think they work, that doesn’t make it so. If you had your finger cut off and they were threatening to cut another, wouldn’t you tell them what they wanted to hear, whether it was true or not?

  104. samhenry says:

    I am not army personnel and I have never faced the enemy but I know what Viet Nam did to my brother and the enemy in that war. The enemy was so brutal it led to terrified troops massacring innocent people. But these people had proved over and over that there were enemy combatants among them. Now come up to our time. Our military is now so hamstrung that today they announced a pullback from bombing due to civilian collateral damage and to expost our troops to ground action. I think it is torture for civilians to be killed in war but it IS war and it has been happening this way for eons.

  105. rosehips says:

    actually vf, the courts ruled that it is illegal. I can find the source for that.

  106. VotingFemale says:

    Look it up in the CIA Field Manual.
    The Army is not the CIA.

    rosehips says

    and the law does not say it is only for the ARMY. The law says that all detainee interrogations must follow the army manual.

  107. VotingFemale says:

    Back up your assertions… and if it was expost facto it will not wash.

    rosehips says

    actually vf, the courts ruled that it is illegal. I can find the source for that.

  108. rosehips says:

    well I can’t find anything but this right now, from the same LA Times article I cited earlier:

    Fratto outlined a series of steps that would be required before waterboarding or other coercive methods would be approved. He said that the CIA director would have to make a proposal to the attorney general, who would have to review the interrogation plan to determine whether it would be legal and effective.

    “At that point, the proposal would go to the president; the president would listen to the determinations of his advisors and make a decision,” Fratto said.

  109. LisaInTX says:

    Rose
    The CIA got approval for those “Enhanced Interrogations”. They CHANGED the wording to this in order to make themselves look good doing it. (Soemthing that OBAMA EXCELS at doing–changing the terms for words to mean something else)
    The Truth..IMO is Deniability….”It wasn’t Torture, it was Enhanced Interrogation techniques”. Understand?
    It worked until Obama got into office and went after the very admin that has kept us free from attack for the past 7 years.

  110. Foxwood says:

    Lisa said:
    “had their testicles chopped off…”

    and samhenry said:
    “Lisa – but isn’t mental torture true torture?”

    And Foxwood says (in a high pitched voice):
    yes…

  111. rosehips says:

    ok, sorry I was wrong about the Supreme Ct ruling I saw. It didn’t specifically address waterboarding. I guess that will be up to a future Supreme Court decision.

  112. ohiobelle says:

    This is a great post! I just posted mine which ask the House to expel Nancy Pelosi… Happy days are here again!!!

  113. rosehips says:

    lisa, approval or not, it was not approved by Congress or the Courts so that approval will be proven to be illegal, I believe.

  114. LisaInTX says:

    Now, Obama’s attack dogs have Pelsoi cornered and foaming at the mouth in denial. SHE knew what was up, and all this could have been averted had they NOT gone after Bush and company. LMAO at their HATE and SPITE that has come home to roost!! Coooock aaaa dooodle dooo….

  115. ohiobelle says:

    Lisa I agree. Their attack on Bush turned on them. They will have to answer for their lies..

  116. rosehips says:

    lisa there is no evidence that torture or whatever you want to call it kept us free from attacks. As I’ve explained before, when my dad beat me in front of a cop because I denied spray painting my neighbors car it took three times to get me to confess…even though I DID NOT do it. So waterboarding might extract a confession, but how do we know it’s true. Why would the army manual say it is ineffective????

  117. ohiobelle says:

    Pelosi lost her position when she blamed the CIA and the past administration.. Hell not even the democrats are coming to her defense! lol

  118. rosehips says:

    so no one answered me…is the CIA required to follow US laws?

  119. ohiobelle says:

    rosehips wrote: lisa there is no evidence that torture or whatever you want to call it kept us free from attacks.

    Rosehips, there is proof but Obama won’t release that information.

  120. ohiobelle says:

    Rosehips, Of course the CIA is required to follow the US laws.

  121. rosehips says:

    belle, the Dept of Defense’s Army Field Manual states in black and white that EIT do not work.

  122. rosehips says:

    well, belle the law is clear that waterboarding is illegal.

  123. LisaInTX says:

    Rosie
    Congress or those that were in the know, DID approve it honey. And with DAMNED good reason. We are at WAR!! I want my son to come home to me just like millions of other American moms, dads, wives, husbands, children want theirs to come home. FUCK the TERRORIST, may they all rot in HELL with their 72 promised virgins!!!

  124. ohiobelle says:

    Put the manual down rose.. lol

    Interrogations of Abu Zubaydah-again, once enhanced interrogations were employed-furnished detailed information on two operatives who planed to build and detonate a ‘dirty bomb’ in the Washington DC area and led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the “Second Wave” to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into a building in Los Angeles.

    http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/olc/article16.pdf

    I believe the information is on page 10..

  125. rosehips says:

    and belle, how do you know Obama has proof. Do you have some kind of inside info? You can’t say something is proof if no one can verify it, can you?

  126. Foxwood says:

    My opinion:
    I agree these guys are enemy combatants and have no rights under the Constitution (they are NOT citizens), I don’t agree with torture. I don’t see waterboarding as torture. Even if it is decided it’s torture, when someone finds out who/how many were saved, like Jack Bower, someone will be a hero.

    I’d rather torture 10 people if it saves 1000.
    My opinion.

  127. LisaInTX says:

    LOL@Fox….yes in a high pitched voice.

  128. samhenry says:

    Rose and VF – I’ve been Googling the CIA manual and its update. They prefer mental to physical torture – they feel they get further. The CIA is and always has been a rogue agency. But here is mention of the Congressonal hearings a couple of years ago (was Nancy on vacation?)
    http://science.howstuffworks.com/torture-manual3.htm
    And in 2005, news broke that the CIA had secret prisons in countries in Europe, Asia and Africa, where high-value terror suspects were subjected to “enhanced interrogation techniques,” which include physical abuse [source: ABC News].
    Following these reports, members of Congress held hearings on the use of torture by the CIA and the U.S. military, just as their counterparts had in the late 1980s. In 2007 and 2008, hearings were held on the legality of water boarding, a method of interrogation which simulates drowning. Congress’ view of the technique may have little effect on a CIA decision to discontinue its use, if history is any guide.

    So all I can find is the Congressonal “view” not a bill or law. I don’t have time today to cite the Congressional Record.

  129. ohiobelle says:

    Actually page 8, 9, & 10 are all important to read.

  130. rosehips says:

    ok foxy, what if it saves 1000 and causes another WTC type attack that kills 3000????

  131. rosehips says:

    well feel free to contradict the DOD and how they say that it can compromise our reputation and possibly lead to retribution….I hope your son is never in the position to test their theory.

  132. ohiobelle says:

    I have to walk away for a bit. I will be back shortly.

  133. rosehips says:

    you all can think waterboarding is effective, you can feel in your gut that it is effective, the CIA say it is effective but if they can’t SHOW it is and if you can’t SHOW it is it is pure speculation. But why would the DOD say it is NOT effective? Does that make ANY sense at all????

  134. Foxwood says:

    Won’t happen when you keep interrogating them Rose.

  135. LisaInTX says:

    Rose
    I feel your example is not one to use in this situation, as I don’t think we’ll be able to run fetch Mommie and Daddy Terrorist, to beat their wayward terrorist offspring to test this theory of yours.

    Rose says,
    As I’ve explained before, when my dad beat me in front of a cop because I denied spray painting my neighbors car it took three times to get me to confess…even though I DID NOT do it.

  136. rosehips says:

    ok , I’m outta here. I feel like I’m beating my head against the wall. I have cited sources and all you have done, except for sam is tell me what you think as you speculate and give opinion and defend the illegal use of waterboarding. I have better things to do than give myself a headache.

  137. Foxwood says:

    Which is why we haven’t had anymore attacks during the Bush admin.

  138. LisaInTX says:

    Rose
    You keep quoting the ARMY field manuel…that is NOT law, but guidlines issued by the DOD….BIG DIFFERENCE I think.
    Rose asks,
    so no one answered me…is the CIA required to follow US laws?

  139. Foxwood says:

    Aw, man, and I just got here.

  140. LisaInTX says:

    Rose Here is an example
    Our LAWS state that it is illegal to murder another citizen. Right?
    What are the exceptions to that rule?
    Now apply those exceptions to the US MILITARY…..
    This Field Manuel is NOT LAW, but guidelines within that department.
    The CIA has exceptions to the rules /guidelines that the ARMY follows.

  141. Foxwood says:

    Does anyone think the terrorist will stop killing if we be nice and tell them we won’t interrogate (torture?) them anymore?

  142. Foxwood says:

    I don’t think it matters if its law or not, terrorists are terrorist and the best thing you can do is eliminate them.

  143. Foxwood says:

    Just my opinion.

  144. Foxwood says:

    And Lisa, that visual you used earlier… you don’t really have to use that one again… I get tears in my eyes thinking of it.

  145. samhenry says:

    I’m not sure I trust the source for this but here is a view on what the President thinks he can do during wartime. The CIA is, as we have seen, a horse of a different color. But the premise of Dahlia Lithwick is that the legality of waterboarding is a moving target:

    http://www.slate.com/id/2182348/

    The only thing the Three Mikes did know beyond a reasonable doubt was that the legality of water-boarding has nothing to do with international treaties, secret legal memos, acts of Congress, or their personal interpretations of same. The claim on which they were all perfectly clear is that the legality of future torture will be determined by the president and the attorney general as the occasion arises. It will not be measured by any objective standard of conduct but will turn on “the circumstances” surrounding them (in McConnell’s formulation) or the value “of the information you might get” (in Mukasey’s). It will be a secret decision, made using shifting, subjective standards, for which neither the torturers nor the legal decision-makers will ever be held to account.

  146. LisaInTX says:

    Hell
    The ONLY thing that comes to mind now is, THERE IS AN EXCEPTION TO EVERY RULE!!!

    As I see it, Waterboarding is not allowed in the Army Field Manuel because few in the military are skilled in that department. That is WHY we have the CIA —they are the INTEL guys.
    Army guys go into battle capture the bad guys, they then hand the bad guys over to the CIA to see if they can get INTEL from bad guys.

  147. samhenry says:

    The atomic bomb was dropped to save tens of thousands of our troops. This has been condemned but again, that was war.

  148. Foxwood says:

    Samhenry said:
    “The claim on which they were all perfectly clear is that the legality of future torture will be determined by the president and the attorney general as the occasion arises.”

    But that is dependent on if they are Republicans or Democrats in office. They are trying hard to lynch Bush/Cheney on this issue.

  149. samhenry says:

    Fox – they woun’t be able to do it. Obama must surely be getting the message.

    VF you said: Regardless of what is said… real torture (and I am not talking about whimpy EITs) has been used by this government under a cover and secrecy… and always will be…

    And I agree and have said it somewhere earlier in my wall of words. The CIA will just move off into another part of the forest. It HAS to continue.

  150. Foxwood says:

    Not harping on you Samhenry, It’s just we need to save lives and not be political about it. I’m just venting…

  151. samhenry says:

    Fox – You can say what you will to me. I take no offense. This is a debate.

  152. Foxwood says:

    I can’t believe you guys missed Glenn.

  153. LisaInTX says:

    Rose
    How did our ENEMIES find out about these EIT? Please say it. Our very OWN damned government!! NO ONE should have opened this subject up, it was TOP SECRET MEMOS and a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER to our nation and our troops to do it, yet Mr. Marxist-I’m gonna make the GOP PAY President DID open it along with the ACLU and the other freaking shit heads wanting ‘Social Justice ” at our Nations expense!

    I need a f-ing break!!bbl
    Rose says,
    well feel free to contradict the DOD and how they say that it can compromise our reputation and possibly lead to retribution….I hope your son is never in the position to test their theory.

  154. VotingFemale says:

    rosehips… granted it is a moral dilemma… and I have stated that before.

    This country wants to put a moral face on itself… and yet if torture is immoral then this country is immoral.

    Regardless of what is said… real torture (and I am not talking about whimpy EITs) has been used by this government under a cover and secrecy… and always will be… and if Obama was placed in the moral dilemma of authorizing what ever it takes to get information from a detainee who knows the details of a pending WMD attack on Washington DC or not doing what was required to be done to stop it… he would have to choose the lesser of two moral evils and live with it… not to make a decision is a decision in itself.

    that is reality… regardless of the face the government presents to the world.

    And Obama has never had to make the tough decisions… rather second guess and arm chair quarterback people who are forced to make the hard decisions. He, like many people, live in a make believe world.

    And Rose, you know as well as I do… if you were presented with shooting a man who was holding a gun to the head of your children or letting him shoot them… you would pull the trigger or face life knowing you made a moral choice of letting your children die so the killer of your children could live.

    this is the way of reality and moral dilemmas and the tough decisions made by people placed in positions of making the hard choices.

  155. Foxwood says:

    Thanks SH. 🙂

  156. samhenry says:

    VF – “the way of reality” is the key to all of this. It moves all serious decisions we make in the face of reality. We are always up against the reality of a situation and the moral dilemma it generates.

  157. VotingFemale says:

    it is a shitty deal… and thank god there are men and women who make the decisions to do what has to be done and live with the moral consequences. And if Obama drives the CIA into either resigning or becoming criminals persued for doing what has to be done… then he is transfering the hard decisions to others and copping out… he was hired to make the tough decisions… and he will have to live with the consequences of his actions… and inactions.
    I envy no president, their job.

    samhenry says

    Fox – they woun’t be able to do it. Obama must surely be getting the message.

    VF you said: Regardless of what is said… real torture (and I am not talking about whimpy EITs) has been used by this government under a cover and secrecy… and always will be…

    And I agree and have said it somewhere earlier in my wall of words. The CIA will just move off into another part of the forest. It HAS to continue.

  158. Foxwood says:

    BBL, Time to cook. Greenbeans and tasso with cornbread. It’s an Okiefied Louisiana dish.

  159. VotingFemale says:

    It is so, samhenry. It is the way of reality.
    and like I said… it is a crappy deal and there is no way around it…

    I have always seen the DEM party as the national conscience who does not have the moral burden except when one of them is elected president… and it can be a bitter bitter pill to have to swallow for such a president… there is no escaping the reality of these moral dilemmas and consequences of all the options available.

    samhenry says

    VF – “the way of reality” is the key to all of this. It moves all serious decisions we make in the face of reality. We are always up against the reality of a situation and the moral dilemma it generates.

  160. samhenry says:

    Later, Fox, explain what tasso is. When I was little we lived in New Orleans near where my Dad was stationed. Mom cooked corn, red pepper and somethin else with sugar? Do you have a recipe for what I am trying to reproduce? I don’t want to turn the blog into a recipe exchange but it would “be a good thing.”

  161. samhenry says:

    Sam Henry I is nudging SAMHENRY II to get dog food in the dish. His trusty companion is doing her part nipping at my swollen ankles. They are an effective canine force. Bye VF and thanks and Bye all except to Fox – a special bye y’all.

  162. LisaInTX says:

    Ok Rose, here is my thoughts on your delema.
    The DOD does not want our troops to capture and perhaps in the heat of battle, torture enemy combatants, therefore they have guidelines and rules to follow to protect the detainees and the soldiers in the field by following the Army Field Manuel.
    Now enter the CIA. These captured enemy combatants are then turned over to the CIA, where they follow their OWN guidelines/Manuel. After 9/11 attacks, they found that they needed to have exceptions to their rules and went to congress several times to get permission for EIT’s, which was granted under the circumstances. This exception obviously was the tactic of waterboarding in order to gain intel, which prevented attacks on the west coat and in DC.
    So when at war, there are exceptions to the rules.

  163. arlenearmy says:

    warrant
    you’re right. Obama will kick Pelosi under the bus and run over her. He kicked Jermiah Wright & his grannie under the bus. There is no love.

    I have no doubt that he’s already sharpened the knives. WH folks are already plotting against old Pelosi. D.C. is a cruel place. Pelosi ought to had realized that Obama, Emanuel, Jarett & Axelrod play dirty Chicago mobster style. Pelosi from California is not match. I guess she forget about the dead fish that was said Emanuel sent somebody.

    That old gal is toast. She better watch her back. In fact, she needs to start packing her bags & get out of town today. You noticed that Harry Reid is keeping his mouth shut. Dingy Harry learns fast.

  164. LisaInTX says:

    Fox and SamH
    Thanks for your info and comments. I kinda got fired up and I’m sorry if I made an ass aka Democrat out of myself. ;-/

  165. Foxwood says:

    Dingy Harry, Arlene, I can’t imagine who you listen to.

    🙂

  166. Foxwood says:

    SH, Tasso is a spiced meat, usually pork, but I’ve been using turkey tosso as of late. It would be like greenbeans and ham, but it’s greenbeens and tosso.

    As for the other, it sounds like sucatash, but I don’t do much corn.

    Sthufferin’ Sthucatash, I thought I sthaw’ a tweety bird!

  167. VotingFemale says:

    Don’t be hard on yourself, Lisa. I know you well enough to know you aspire to do the right thing to the best of your ability and I stand by you and everyone here including Rose.

    Pelosi is power drunk… and reality has caught her in it’s snare. It happens to many powerful people… who become so over confident that they go astray. She has to live in her own skin and she is systematically flushing her legacy and reputation down the toilet for the sake of witch hunting people who had to do what they had to do… something she has never dealt with even though she was unable to avoid the responsibility of being one of the ones who had to deal with it. She obviously stuck her head in the sand to later point fingers. There is no way out for her… reality has caught up to her.

    LisaInTX says

    Fox and SamH
    Thanks for your info and comments. I kinda got fired up and I’m sorry if I made an ass aka Democrat out of myself. ;-/

  168. Foxwood says:

    No comment Lisa, I did that to myself yesterday.

  169. LisaInTX says:

    VF
    Thank you too for your comments.
    Hi Arlene

    I gotta run and fix dinner….bbl
    Rose I’m pissed off, but NOT at you honey!
    Just the damned situation that Obama has placed us in and Pelosi lying like a dog and fixing to get the boot, REALLY has made my 100 + days!! :-}

  170. ohiobelle says:

    Rose wrote: you all can think waterboarding is effective, you can feel in your gut that it is effective, the CIA say it is effective but if they can’t SHOW it is and if you can’t SHOW it is it is pure speculation.

    Rosehips, its not speculation… again..

    Interrogations of Abu Zubaydah-again, once enhanced interrogations were employed-furnished detailed information on two operatives who planned to build and detonate a ‘dirty bomb’ in the Washington DC area and led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the “Second Wave” to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into a building in Los Angeles.

    http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/olc/article16.pdf

  171. VotingFemale says:

    And Rose… thank you for stating and pointing out the things you are doing… there has to be a moral weighing… and you are a voice of conscience.

  172. ohiobelle says:

    I think these idiots are getting off easy with waterboarding. My only regret is I can’t be the one to do it.

  173. samhenry says:

    Lisa, I had to answer the phone and then, oh heck, I peeked at the blog. Even before VF’s comments, I was planning to note your remarks about being too hard on me and the Fox. As I said to the Fox, this is a debate. It is not personal – when I think it gets that way, I return to the kennel and rest – a time out. I believe in them. Anyway. know that I expect you to be at your very best and I have enjoyed the verbal back and forth with the best we have. That to me is exciting. That is why I like it here. Sharp minds and new discoveries. For me, there is no Dem or Repub just people with ideas that are more or less grouped with a label. But the value of interchange is to realize two things: 1) that there are larger areas of agreement than generally known or acknowledged and 2) that mind change or alteration is not out of the question. I believe all intelligent people must go through this testing of their mettle and their beliefs. I consider this a debate among friends. SAMHENRY requsting premission to go ashore, VF.

  174. ohiobelle says:

    Torture was watching innocent people jump out of the top floor of the twin towers.

  175. samhenry says:

    FOX – thanks for the info.

  176. VotingFemale says:

    **************Breaking News***************

    CIA Denies Cheney’s Request to Release Intelligence Documents
    Former Vice President Argues Documents Demonstrate That Harsh Interrogation Tactics Worked

    The CIA has rejected a request from former vice president Richard B. Cheney to release documents that he says show that the agency’s harsh interrogation methods helped thwart terrorist plots.

    A letter released by the CIA today cites pending legal action as the sole reason for keeping the documents under seal.

    “For that reason — and that reason only — CIA did not accept Mr. Cheney’s request for a mandatory declassification review,” agency spokesman Paul Gimigliano said.

    Cheney, who has sparred publicly with the Obama administration since it prohibited coercive interrogations in January, submitted a formal request to the National Archives and Records Administration on March 31, asking for the declassification of two secret documents that were said to describe the intelligence gained from the CIA’s questioning of suspected al-Qaeda terrorists in overseas prisons.

    Cheney, in a Fox News interview last month, said the documents “lay out what we learned from the interrogation process” and would presumably validate Bush administration claims that the controversial methods disrupted terrorists’ plans and saved American lives.

    The CIA must approve the public release of any such documents. But in its letter to the National Archives, the agency notes that the requested records are the subject of a lawsuit under the Freedom of Information Act.

    “A document is excluded from mandatory declassification review if that document contains information that is the subject of litigation,” the letter states.

    Gimigliano said Cheney’s request was handled “in accordance with normal practice, by CIA professionals with long experience in information management and release.”

    The question of whether harsh methods produced life-saving information has been hotly debated by congressional leaders as well as former and current intelligence officials with access to secret reports. Former CIA director Michael V. Hayden has estimated that half of the agency’s knowledge of al-Qaeda’s structure and operations came from such interrogations. But Dennis C. Blair, the Obama administration’s director of national intelligence, contends that the interrogations produced valuable leads but ultimately did more harm than good.

    Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.), a member of the Senate intelligence committee, said at a hearing yesterday that the documents cited by Cheney did not make a persuasive case.

    “Nothing I have seen — including the two documents to which former vice president Cheney has repeatedly referred — indicates that the torture techniques authorized by the last administration were necessary, or that they were the best way to get information out of detainees,” Feingold said.

    above from: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/14/AR2009051402858.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR

  177. VotingFemale says:

    It haunts me to this day…

    ohiobelle says
    Torture was watching innocent people jump out of the top floor of the twin towers.

  178. ohiobelle says:

    vf, thank you for the information.

    This is the only reason Obama didn’t release the 2000 photos of the detainees. If he would’ve done that then Cheney would have a leg to stand on.

  179. ohiobelle says:

    vf, it haunts me every single day. I remember everything that happened on that tragic day. It will stay with me for the rest of my life. I don’t want to forget. I think this pre 9/11 mentality is dangerous.

  180. Foxwood says:

    Belle said:
    “Torture was watching innocent people jump out of the top floor of the twin towers.”

    Same here SH, I had to peek as I cook.

    Belle, I hate watching that, but everytime I do I get pissed. More people need to be pissed.

  181. ohiobelle says:

    Foxwood, I agree with you 100%. I promised myself I would never forget. I can’t say that I would be waterboarding before 9/11 but now I can honestly say I am for whatever it takes to keep us safe.

  182. ohiobelle says:

    Barack doesn’t have the support he used to. Where was he today? New Mexico pushing credit card reform. I guess that is how far he will have to go to get away from Nancy Pelosi and her lies.. lol

  183. ohiobelle says:

    I would love to stick around but I’ve got some things I’ve got to get done. I will check back in the morning.

    Great post VF!!

  184. m2elena says:

    wazzup guys… I haven’t been able to read all these comments but this one from Arlene made me laugh heartily!

    Arlene says:

    warrant
    you’re right. Obama will kick Pelosi under the bus and run over her. He kicked Jermiah Wright & his grannie under the bus. There is no love.

    I have no doubt that he’s already sharpened the knives. WH folks are already plotting against old Pelosi. D.C. is a cruel place. Pelosi ought to had realized that Obama, Emanuel, Jarett & Axelrod play dirty Chicago mobster style. Pelosi from California is not match. I guess she forget about the dead fish that was said Emanuel sent somebody.

    That old gal is toast. She better watch her back. In fact, she needs to start packing her bags & get out of town today. You noticed that Harry Reid is keeping his mouth shut. Dingy Harry learns fast.

  185. LisaInTX says:

    Rose
    If a terrorist had intel info that would save your life or other folks, I’d waterboard him in a split second and WORSE if I had to take it further.
    I think it was Spock USS Starship Enterprise that said, “The Needs of the Many, out weigh the needs of the one.”
    Did someone hear a muffled gurgle? lol:-}

  186. LisaInTX says:

    Fox
    I qualify for that, have no doubt!! LMAO

    “More folks need to get pissed.”

  187. LisaInTX says:

    Hubby home–BBL:-}

  188. Foxwood says:

    Then you missed my comment:

    Lisa said:
    “had their testicles chopped off…”

    and samhenry said:
    “Lisa – but isn’t mental torture true torture?”

    And Foxwood says (in a high pitched voice):
    yes…

  189. m2elena says:

    Did somebody say Spock?
    😉

    Lisa says: I think it was Spock USS Starship Enterprise that said, “The Needs of the Many, out weigh the needs of the one.”

  190. samhenry says:

    FOX – I think we should demand an executive order for Nancy’s testicles. She’s so confused right now about what she said and when, she will probably start looking for them. At least she agreed to the release of the transcripts of the briefings. My own view is this: Someone got to her. OR perhaps she is just coming to see the reality of the situation (see VF above).

  191. ohiobelle says:

    Samhenry wrote: FOX – I think we should demand an executive order for Nancy’s testicles.

    HAHAHAHAHA!!! That is funny as hell.

  192. ohiobelle says:

    Well The Factor starts in a few. I just wanted to catch up on the comments. Have a nice night everybody!

  193. Indycoltsfan says:

    Here’s a song that tells you the future of the Obama administration

  194. m2elena says:

    Hey look, I was right! There was a google problem today!!

    http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-258502

  195. m2elena says:

    Here’s my Dedication to Nancy & Barack!

  196. m2elena says:

    LOL LOL LOL, Indy… the lyrics are good in The Doors one!

    mine’s Pearl Jam… I’m not sure if it’s right, but Eddie sounds like he’s saying “Why go on?” to me…
    😉

  197. Indycoltsfan says:

    M2, LOL!

  198. m2elena says:

    here’s the song playing for me while she took her turn for the end in the press conf. today:

  199. m2elena says:

    Man the Onion is SHEER genius sometimes, I swear!

  200. Indycoltsfan says:

    M2, Now this song completely explains the Obama administration and the democrats.

  201. m2elena says:

    a’ight… heading off to watch really bad reality TV, goodnight!

    *shuffles away*

  202. m2elena says:

    I LOVE IT! 😛

  203. Indycoltsfan says:

    see ya m2

  204. Foxwood says:

    One for Nancy.

  205. Indycoltsfan says:

    Foxwood! Good One!

  206. samhenry says:

    FOX or Indy – how do you upload the videos? I just got a call from Nancy Pelosi’s office and she wants to send one over to us – nice song – says it depicts her state at this time.

  207. Indycoltsfan says:

    Hi Samhenry, I would explain it to you but it looks like you figured it out already. LOL!

  208. LisaInTX says:

    Dedicated to Pelosi
    Creed-6 feet from the edge

  209. Indycoltsfan says:

    Good one Lisa!!! I love this song! I can even play it on the guitar. LOL!

  210. LisaInTX says:

    I have loved ALL the videos to Pelosi and company!!!lol….Good job guys and girls…hahaha

  211. LisaInTX says:

    Cool Indy. :-}
    CREED ROCKS!!! I LOVE their Greatest Hits CD!! AWESOME!!!

  212. samhenry says:

    But Lisa, Indy – Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. THAT’s Torture:

  213. Indycoltsfan says:

    You know I have got to tell you the truth. I miss being up on the stage playing popular cover tunes in a band to a drunk audience in a bar. LOL!

  214. Indycoltsfan says:

    My favorite Creed song is “My own Prison” I can play that song too! LOL!

  215. samhenry says:

    We’re waiting for our drinks and you, Indy.

  216. LisaInTX says:

    ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!Hahahahahhaaaaaaaa
    That was GREAT!!!! Where is ROSIE??????? She has GOT to see this one!!! hahahahaaa

  217. samhenry says:

    Nancy Pelosi is afraid of this song, Indy

  218. LisaInTX says:

    Indy
    My Own prison was the song I started to post,;-} but I like the fact that Pelosi is on the cliff about to take a head drive out of her career in politics…evil grin here. ;-}

  219. Indycoltsfan says:

    Samhenry, LOL! Those days of playing music were some of the happiest days and some of the craziness days of my life but I have no regrets and would do it all over again if I had the chance. LOL!

  220. samhenry says:

    You don’t know, Indy, you might just come into some music sometime when you least expect it. Make sure your guitar is always in the trunk of the car. Be at the ready for craziness. It can come back.

  221. arlenearmy says:

    I am watching Greta Van Sustrean. Dick Morris said that there may be talk already of a replacing Nancy Pelosi. I cant spell the name of the possible replacement. I think he said Hoauyer. I am probably misspelling the name.

  222. LisaInTX says:

    Her sin is exposed and no matter how high she holds up her head, the CIA and We The People NOW KNOW what a liar she is. She confessed that she is ALL about Political gain for the Dem party—the sharks are taking small bites, but the water is bloodied and they are circling back to her bloating carcass for the finale.

  223. LisaInTX says:

    Indy
    Take SamH advice. Keep that guitar close, you never know when a jam session might take place. :-}
    I’m tired so I’m headed to bed. i enjoyed the music and the laughter my friends..Ya’ll have a goodnight and see ya tomorrow.

  224. arlenearmy says:

    I know a lot of bold folks & I am sure many in senate & congress can be brazen. But for her to blast the CIA is plum foolish. She has sealed her fate when she said that CIA lied.

    I wish I knew more about the replacement for her job. There is talk already of replacing her. Dick Morris said that the democrat party feels that this ordeal that happened today is a distraction & that they feel she needs to be replaced quickly.

  225. Indycoltsfan says:

    The one thing I learned about playing music was endurance. As the saying goes. ” The show must go on. ” No matter how drunk or sick or whatever. You went out and played the gig and hoped you could get through your 3 or 4 sets without f##king up or sounding like shit. LOL!

  226. Indycoltsfan says:

    good night Lisa!

  227. samhenry says:

    EGAD, 10:39 EST – I’m otta here, too. Goodnight all. It’s a good night when the day brought such retributive justice to an enemy of common sense nevermind the people of this country.

  228. Indycoltsfan says:

    good night samhenry!

  229. Indycoltsfan says:

    I found an old Obama headbanger song. LOL!

  230. Indycoltsfan says:

    The Obama fantasy presidency!!!

  231. karmahd says:

    Shit I have been on the wrong post since 5:53 woops, time for bed now

  232. samhenry says:

    Dog thinking it was later than it is, intervened and I’m wide awake trying to see what foreign press is ssaying abut Nanch Plosi.

    I is about 10:00 am over there and it is unusual that a major story is being withheld. Consumer

  233. samhenry says:

    Perhaps the foreign press editors are hanging back to allow for compositon of editoial remarks.

  234. samhenry says:

    Okay, 6:00 am and the President’s anticpated announcement of reinstating military tribunals was top US story in Europe. Even in the US, her story has been moved down below the aforementioned aothers. Was Obama announcement timed to knock Pelosi off the front page? This is a circumstance that would relieve Democratic Congressonal leaders.

  235. samhenry says:

    Back to bed for samhenry.

  236. VotingFemale says:

    Good morning Samh!

  237. VotingFemale says:

    Sometimes the Socialist Media make news by supressing news…. good catch Samh!

  238. karmahd says:

    Morning Sam And VF out the door to work, have a good day you two. Karma

  239. m2elena says:

    morning VF, and SamHenry….

    Look at this, the comments… Ha… it’s full of people going “I hope your heart fails.” “I’d hope Obama’s kidneys fail, I’d say that but you couldn’t handle it.”

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/05/10/not_funny_barack_obama_laughs_at_wanda_sykes_joke_about_wanting_rush_limbaugh_dead?com_num=20&com_pg=3

    Lee

    HuffPo is the National Enquirer on Politics.

    “Conservatives can dish it out but they can’t take it.”

    OK

    Obama is not doing anything different than what Osama bin Laden wants; destroying America.

    He needs a good waterboarding.

    I’ll refrain from the 9/11 jokes and saying I hope his kidney’s fail because the Obamabots are already whining.

    PS–how about that Senate Majority leader, Democrat Harry Reid, declaring in April 2007 that the Iraq war is lost.

    tbw

    Gee, I guess you qualify for Palin Derangement Syndrome.

  240. m2elena says:

    Morning Karma

  241. karmahd says:

    M2 morning, ya all have a PW on me, and a doughnut

  242. m2elena says:

    Hey you guys, I have just formed a theory.
    The Wanda Sykes thing didn’t bother me, though the targeting of and individual by the State does bother me, (Rules for Radicals: http://www.zazzle.com/obama_is_using_rules_for_radicals_13_against_r_bumper_sticker-128760216254972631 )

    BUT now that I think about it, listen to this:
    Wanda is a liberal. Wanda internalized her feelings about Barack Obama as a leader and took any policy criticism as personal. She is wished Rush Limbaugh personal criticism, ie. Death.

    Her joke isn’t much different than what all the liberals felt when Rush said he hope Obama fails at socializing the country.

    What if Rush Limbaugh said he hopes Obama’s kidneys fail.

    That’s the equivalent right?
    Irrationality, and hate. And not from Rush but everyone on the left.

    Maybe I should buy that bumper sticker LOL !
    🙂

  243. m2elena says:

    anyway… did somebody say donut?

  244. m2elena says:

    ahhh ps. That is why we have a problem with Obama. Too many people invested in his personality and not rational discernment of action, issue, policy.

    It is the same Cult of Personality, that men imprisoned by Stalin cried upon hearing his death.

  245. m2elena says:

    ok. they’re all too good. Here they all are…
    “Obamastan” LOL!!

    http://www.zazzle.com/anti+obama+bumperstickers

  246. VotingFemale says:

    Morning M2!!!

    HAvent read your comments yet but I am here… just finishing a new post… it is a fun one for sure! 😉

    ohhh boyyyy

    BRB

  247. Foxwood says:

    Wake up! Good Morning!

    Godzilla – Blue Oyster Cult from the album Spectres (1977)

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