Nancy Pelosi, Socialist Hypocrite Queen, proved a LIAR; CIA documents are revealed in wake of Obama Trashing of the Agency

Nancy Pelosi fearfully up to her neck in lie-based attacks on CIA

Nancy Pelosi fearfully up to her neck in lie-based attacks on CIA

The Central Intelligence Agency, who has been under attack from the Obama Socialist Party since taking over the US Government, has provided documented proof that Nancy Pelosi lied through her teeth to the American People and the World that Enhanced Interrogation Techniques were used without her knowledge and consent.

This leaves CNN in a bad position because they are responsible in large part for enabling the Socialist Takeover of the US Government thus perpetuates anything that helps the Socialist Master Race and squelches or rewrites the truth (spins) to put the Socialist Master Race in as good light a light as possible all the while pretending not to.

This is a War of Lies against the people of the United States of America.

Liberal and Conservative citizens are being lied to by the Socialist Master Race and it is being done for a single purpose… to end the United States as a world power and example to the world that success is possible.

Lets see the latest on the Pelosi saga…

Memo Says Pelosi Knew About Use of Harsh Tactics

Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 8, 2009

Intelligence officials released documents yesterday saying that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was briefed in September 2002 about the use of harsh interrogation tactics against al-Qaeda suspects, seeming to contradict her repeated statements that she was never told the techniques were actually being used.

In a 10-page memo outlining an almost seven-year history of classified briefings, intelligence officials said that Pelosi and then-Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.) were the first two members of Congress briefed on the tactics. Then the ranking member and chairman of the House intelligence committee, respectively, Pelosi and Goss were briefed Sept. 4, 2002, one week before the anniversary of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

The memo, issued to Capitol Hill by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Central Intelligence Agency, notes that the Pelosi-Goss briefing covered “EITs including the use of EITs” on Abu Zubaida. EIT is an acronym for enhanced interrogation technique, and Abu Zubaida, whose real name is Zayn al-Abidin Muhammed Hussein, was one of the earliest valuable al-Qaeda members captured. He also was the first to have the controversial tactic of simulated drowning, or waterboarding, used against him.

The issue of what Pelosi knew and when she knew it has become a tussle on Capitol Hill. Republicans have accused her of knowing for years about the interrogation techniques CIA agents were using and of objecting only when the tactics became public and antiwar activists protested.

In a carefully worded statement, Pelosi’s office said yesterday that she had never been briefed about the use of waterboarding, only that it had been approved by Bush administration lawyers as a legal interrogation technique.

“As this document shows, the speaker was briefed only once, in September 2002. The briefers described these techniques, said they were legal, but said that waterboarding had not yet been used,” said Brendan Daly, Pelosi’s spokesman.


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223 Responses to Nancy Pelosi, Socialist Hypocrite Queen, proved a LIAR; CIA documents are revealed in wake of Obama Trashing of the Agency

  1. m2elena says:

    ah vf was my comment to accusatory? (you can delete this too)

  2. VotingFemale says:

    it was outing Indy… that was the only reason I chopped it, dear.

  3. VotingFemale says:

    Thank You M2!

    m2elena says

    Good post!

  4. m2elena says:

    Ahhh!!! But I wanted sweet vindication!
    eh, well at least I got to type it out. I thought I made a good point. 😀

    (Oh, I’m laughing here, don’t think I’m feeling smug that it’s gone)… Now they’ll never know my valuable and previously FREE advice. Oh well! Good luck trollz.

  5. m2elena says:

    I find it funny that they cannot admit something (not 1 thing) wrong with the onslaught of an open Marxist agenda.. Hellllooooo…

    Of course some ppl want that, but other ppl don’t and they still won’t call a spade a spade.

  6. rosehips says:

    ok, where’s the proof?

    vf said: The Central Intelligence Agency, who has been under attack from the Obama Socialist Party since taking over the US Government, has provided documented proof that Nancy Pelosi lied through her teeth to the American People and the World that Enhanced Interrogation Techniques were used without her knowledge and consent.

  7. m2elena says:

    Well I’m off to get more coffee. I only had enough to make a fifth of a mug. Must have more!

  8. rosehips says:

    my search shows that the CIA produced documents of summaries of conversations with Pelosi at the time of the briefing. I didn’t see one statement that uses the term “water-boarding” It states that they discussed “enhanced interrogation techniques” That doesn’t prove anything to me. Maybe some of you are more easily convinced that this means she knew that they were using waterboarding. I think if they had used that term, it would have created a red flag. But of course they didn’t mention that. It’s illegal!!!!

  9. rosehips says:

    It seems that this is going to be a “he said, she said” scenario. It’s the CIA’s word against Nancy’s. Unless they come up with better proof than that, it makes them look like they were being deceptive. If they were waterboarding and failed to mention it by name, that imo is a GROSS case of deception. Did they not think that it was necessary to elaborate on the types of enhanced methods they were utilizing?

  10. rosehips says:

    CIA docs unclear on Pelosi interrogation briefings
    By PAMELA HESS – 9 hours ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — CIA records show House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was briefed in September 2002 on harsh interrogation techniques being used on terrorist suspects, but the records do little to settle a dispute over whether she knew waterboarding had already been used against one prisoner by then.

  11. rosehips says:

    Well I guess this is my “flash” moment. Are you giving me time to “cool down”?

    I don’t think I am ready to do that. I think I’ll take a bath and simmer a bit. lol.

  12. VotingFemale says:

    If you are not capable and motivated to find out for yourself.. you waste my time asking for proof. Personally I dont really care if you believe it or not.

    The battle I fight is for people to question and stop looking for reasons to just believe what they are told.

    Do your own damn research… I did.

    I don’t mean to seem harsh, Rose… but for god sakes start doubting and start looking for yourself.

    rosehips says

    ok, where’s the proof?

  13. VotingFemale says:

    Go find proof that Pelosi is telling the truth…

  14. VotingFemale says:

    use that as your proof that Pelosi is telling the truth if it makes you happy, Rose.

    Or… you can question her truthfulness of her statements.

    It would SERIOUSLY ill-serve and SERIOUSLY discredit the CIA to try to lie about Pelosi’s statements of her knowledge and lack of disapproval of EIT used on a few terrorists.

    It boils down to who you want to believe and disbelieve. Go ahead and give Pelosi a pass on her word alone. Lord knows the Socialists never lie, right?

    And Leon Panetta is in the thick of it too… on the side of the CIA.
    Imagine that!

  15. m2elena says:

    Pelosi? The woman who says she’s a Catholic and that the Catholic church is unsure about when life begins!

    She opportunistic as all get-up!!! She’s deserves credit for lying and politicizing, devising everything to get her party in the clutches of the chambers and oval.

    She is what they wish Tom Delay was. At least he stepped down and is under investigation. They should investigate Pelosi for her near-treasonous LIES!

  16. m2elena says:

    I can see where Rosehips get’s her viewpoint too though, the AP article is obtuse, and selectively specific.

    And AP is generally accepted as mainstream that is not too liberal (liberal yes), but it’s not questionable like Huff Po, and Kos.

  17. rosehips says:

    VF, I don’t understand why you are so angry with me for questioning the CIA and requiring proof before I determine my viewpoint. Isn’t that what we should all do. Until they can give definitive proof, it’s all just pure speculation, a he said, she said scenario.

    I have stated previously that I could see it in Pelosi’s eyes that she wasn’t copping to something. But that isn’t proof. I don’t think I can prove that she is being truthful. I’m not saying she is. But I think conversely, you can’t say that the CIA is being truthful and certainly you can’t say that they told her they were waterboarding if they can’t even provide a document that claims this.

    I don’t know if she was told about waterboarding, but I won’t accept it until you, or anyone else, comes up with definitive proof that she was. That has yet to be disclosed.

  18. rosehips says:

    so if everyone assumes that she was told, are you assuming that she thought waterboarding was A-OK?

  19. m2elena says:

    Another thing is Obama’s CIA director and Eric Holder, I thought, have a hand in this. Holder has a backstory on interrogation that don’t comply with Obama- the CIA director said that Obama should not release the memos. I mean, the president had to go to the CIA and make nice for them, because he put them in the mud. There ARE reports (which I can find) that say the people in the CIA are at morality level ZERO. This is the worst leadership of anything I’ve ever seen! This administration!

  20. m2elena says:

    whoops I mean “moral”

    how you spell that.. Morale?

  21. rosehips says:

    actually m2, I looked at the top 3 search results to form my conclusions. The UPI, AP and the WSJ…

  22. m2elena says:

    true rosehips… I don’t know what UPI is,
    But I generally accept WSJ and AP…

    The other thing is, there is no investigative reporting anymore. There is only re-reporting. I would guess the WSJ and AP say the same thing, in the same wishy-washy way. We have become a press culture of faxed “talking points”.

  23. rosehips says:

    moral is correct m2, morale is what you have when you are positive and engaged at work, or in the military etc…

  24. VotingFemale says:

    PAMELA HESS is a left wing Media Operative… who has been caught in the act of spewing left spin lies in the press.

    How quaint that you quote a liar who writes a report in support of another Liar.

    Will AP’s Pamela Hess Correct The False Statement In Her April 22 Article?
    By: JimWhite
    Thursday April 23, 2009 9:48 am

    On April 22, 2009, Pamela Hess of AP had this to say in an article about the release of the Senate Armed Services Committee report on torture:

    A month later, the CIA captured Abu Zubaydah, an alleged top al-Qaida organizer in Pakistan. Zubaydah proved resistant to traditional interrogation techniques. During the first half of 2002, CIA interrogators began to subject Zubaydah to waterboarding, a form of simulated drowning taught by survival school trainers to CIA personnel sometime in the first half of 2002.

    The “one month later” refers to the timeframe in the previous paragraph, placing Zubaydah’s capture in March, 2002. Hess merely states Zubaydah’s “resistant” response to interrogation as fact. Nowhere in the article does she mention that the report contains many references to experts stating that torture does not provide reliable information.

    The April 23, 2009 issue of the New York Times contains an Op-Ed column by Ali Soufan, who was one of two FBI interrogators questioning Abu Zubaydah immediately after his arrest. Soufan directly contracts Hess’ statements:

    It is inaccurate, however, to say that Abu Zubaydah had been uncooperative. Along with another F.B.I. agent, and with several C.I.A. officers present, I questioned him from March to June 2002, before the harsh techniques were introduced later in August. Under traditional interrogation methods, he provided us with important actionable intelligence.

    We discovered, for example, that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks. Abu Zubaydah also told us about Jose Padilla, the so-called dirty bomber. This experience fit what I had found throughout my counterterrorism career: traditional interrogation techniques are successful in identifying operatives, uncovering plots and saving lives.

    There was no actionable intelligence gained from using enhanced interrogation techniques on Abu Zubaydah that wasn’t, or couldn’t have been, gained from regular tactics. In addition, I saw that using these alternative methods on other terrorists backfired on more than a few occasions — all of which are still classified. The short sightedness behind the use of these techniques ignored the unreliability of the methods, the nature of the threat, the mentality and modus operandi of the terrorists, and due process.

    Will Hess and/or AP correct the false statements in her story? The nature of Zubaydah’s response to conventional interrogation, the type of interrogation under which he provided the best intelligence and the timing of when he was waterboarded are all false in her story.

    We’re waiting…


    AP’s Iran-Trained Hit Squads Story: Iraq News Nadir?
    by Gareth Porter
    August 18, 2008

    In covering the story of Iran’s role in Iraq, far too many reporters have passed on blatant propaganda without the slightest effort to point out its inconsistency with documented facts, much less to try to uncover the truth. But a story by Pamela Hess of Associated Press distributed Aug. 15 sets a new standard for abetting official disinformation.

    In the story, she acts as an enthusiastic megaphone for a patently phony story from an anonymous “senior intelligence officer.”

    Hess’ hit-squad training story should be assigned to journalism classes for the next generation to open a discussion about what went wrong with American journalism before and during America’s overtly imperial war in the Middle East. And Hess should be seen as a stunningly clear illustration of what happens when a reporter gives up any pretense of independence from the national-security state.

    Hess’ lede announces what appears to be a significant development in the otherwise waning U.S.-Iran conflict over Iraq. “Iraqi Shi’ite assassination teams are being trained in at least four locations in Iran by Tehran’s elite Quds force and Lebanese Hezbollah,” she writes, “and are planning to return to Iraq in the next few months to kill specific Iraqi officials as well as U.S. and Iraqi troops, according to intelligence gleaned from captured militia fighters and other sources in Iraq.”

    But a careful reader quickly learns from perusing the next several paragraphs that this official assertion is actually based on nothing more than speculation. It is just another propaganda blast in the guise of an intelligence briefing.

    Hess, writing from Washington, describes her source as “senior U.S. military intelligence officer in Baghdad” who “spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence.” That is the first misleading statement in the piece. The story later reveals that the anonymous officer told her quite explicitly that the story was being released for the U.S. command’s own political objectives.

    The source apparently remains anonymous for another reason entirely: the U.S. command is not willing to have any individual be held accountable for the new narrative it is attempting to create with the Hess story.

    The story then says the anonymous officer had “provided Iraq’s national security adviser with several lists of the assassination teams’ expected targets” and that the officer “said the targets include many judges but would not otherwise identify them.”

    But wait a minute. Just what are these “lists of the assassination teams’ expected targets”? If they are me merely lists of “expected targets,” then the U.S. intelligence has not intercepted communications or otherwise tapped into what some Shi’ites now in Iran are planning to do. They are simply inventions of unidentified U.S. officials whose understanding of Shi’ite intentions may have little or nothing to do with reality.

    Hess passes on the claim that “Iraq’s intelligence service is preparing operations to determine where and when the special group fighters will enter the country and is to provide an assessment to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.” That tells us that neither Iraqi nor U.S. intelligence services have any sources that know anything directly about any plans by any Shi’ite group in Iran to return to the country.

    Like virtually every other reporter covering Iraq, Hess uses the term “special groups” as though this is the self-designation of some set of Shi’ite militia groups rather than a term created by the U.S. military to suggest that there were Mahdi Army fighters who might agree to accept the U.S. occupation. Although she provides no context for the term, what Hess and the U.S. military call “special group fighters” are in fact simply any Shi’ites who are suspected of involvement in resistance to the U.S. occupation.

    Inexplicably, Hess writes that what the U.S. now calls the “special group criminals” had their origins in Sadr’s unilateral cease-fire of August 2007, and that they “are not thought to be under his control now.” Since Hess has been covering Iraq for years, she certainly knows that the U.S. line about “special groups” first surfaced in early 2007 – not after the August cease-fire.

    The anonymous military official admits that the command has explicit political objectives in disseminating the story: putting pressure on Iran and even more on the Iraqi government. The official told Hess that the United States wants Iran to suspend training of Shi’ites in Iran and to “prevent the militia fighters from returning to Iraq.”

    The U.S. command also wants the Maliki regime to “confront Iran with the information in diplomatic channels,” Hess reports. What Hess fails to tell the reader, however, is that Petraeus and U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker have been trying to pressure Maliki to do that for months, and he has refused. In fact senior officials of the al-Maliki regime have very good reason to believe that Iran has been restraining the Sadrists rather than supporting military activities by those forces against the government.

    Hess writes that Shi’ite fighters, who fled to Iran after nationalist cleric Moqtada al-Sadr gave up his political-military positions in Basra, Sadr City, and Amarah last spring, “are expected to return to Iraq between now and October.” This “information” is said to have come from “militia fighters captured in Iraq and other sources in the country that the officer would not describe.”

    This is the giveaway for the entire Hess piece. Militia fighters captured in Iraq would not have direct knowledge of either training in Iran or the intentions of any Shi’ites who fled to Iran. Allegations about relationships between Shi’ite militiamen and Iran have been rife in Baghdad and southern Iran since early 2007, but they are based on rumor rather than personal knowledge.

    As for the mysterious “other sources” that cannot even be described, the refusal to provide any information about the nature of these sources suggests the involvement of the familiar, self-interested, anti-Iran group the Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK), on which the military has relied heavily for “intelligence” on Iran’s role in Iraq and its nuclear program – most of it wildly inaccurate. The MEK has a history of carrying out terrorist attacks against Iranian civilian targets in the past and remains on the U.S. State Department’s terrorist list. No doubt MEK officials are the unmentionable sources to which Hess refers.

    When Hess writes that the Shi’ites are being provided training in a long list of military subjects, including “assassination techniques,” she does not suggest what evidence the anonymous official has to back up the claim. But it is evident that the sources are the same captured militiamen and interested Iranian resistance sources who lack any firsthand basis for such a charge.

    Another giveaway that the U.S. military has no real intelligence on which to base the assassination training narrative is the claim that the training also includes the use of “rocket-propelled grenades, including the RPG-29.” The idea that Iran has been supplying RPG-29s to Shi’ite militiamen in Iraq has been a staple of U.S. military propaganda since late 2006. But in fact, as I reported two months ago, the U.S. command spokesman, Col. Scott Maw, admitted to me that “very few” RPG-29s have ever actually been found in Iraq. Indeed, not a single RPG-29 has ever been displayed to the media, nor was one even pictured in the Feb. 10, 2007, slide show for reporters. So the command is now claiming that Shi’ites are being trained in Iran to use a weapon that the Shi’ites do not have in their arsenal.

    Having claimed inside information about the movement of “special groups” into Iran to be trained, the anonymous briefer then reveals, unintentionally, that the U.S. command is operating essentially on surmise. Hess reports that one of the reasons the U.S. command “believes” Shi’ite militiamen moved into Iran is “the sharp decline in the number of deadly roadside bombs bearing Iran’s signature explosive design” in recent months. By choosing to make that argument, the officer is admitting that this new narrative about Shi’ites being trained for assassination in Iran is based on a combination of rumor and inference.

    It is no accident that Pamela Hess is the author of this classic piece of journalistic promotion of military disinformation. She has been the favorite journalist covering Iraq among right-wing bloggers, because of her willingness to state her support for the war with such clarity. She is a true believer in America’s wars who views U.S. troops in Iraq as rescuing children from the path of a bus, as she explained in an interview with Brian Lamb.

    Equally important, Hess long ago decided quite consciously to become part of the military system of information to advance her career, giving up her freedom to pursue the truth in order to keep her military sources in the military. Here is Hess explaining to an interviewer how she puts access to her sources over independent reporting.

    “And every once in a while a government official will call you and say, ‘We’d like you not to be working on that story and here’s why.’ And sometimes you agree with it – you agree to their demands, because sometimes they offer you a better deal, ‘Well, when we’re ready for this to come out, I’ll give you the exclusive on it’ or ‘Here’s why we don’t want this.’ I remember one, there was one story many years ago that I worked on that I had had – I got from three different sources that were in a closed-door meeting in the tank in the Pentagon, and one general in there had said – I think this was almost a direct quote, but something along the lines of ‘America’s going to have to get over its fear of casualties.’ … So this is, of course, a very important story. A general that outranked that general, who I actually had a very good relationship with, who I could talk to off-the-record or on background frequently, called me and asked me not to report that story, and I didn’t. And the reason that I didn’t was twofold. Number one, I needed this second general more than I needed that story. And number two, I thought he made a great point, which is, ‘If they can’t speak their minds in these closed-door meetings, then we’re really robbing the Pentagon of its ability to do its job.'”

    Hess is certainly not the only reporter to make such deals with the military to keep their sources. But her personal account of the unsubtle corruption of journalism by the military is stunningly free of any embarrassment. Her stenographic account of the Petraeus command’s latest invention on Iranian training of assassination squads can be best understood in the context of that corruption.

  25. rosehips says:

    UPI= United Press International

  26. m2elena says:

    Okay I meant Morale. the Morale at the CIA is so bad people don’t even want to work there, b/c they are afraid of what opportunistic politicians will do to them for political gain.

    rosehips says:
    moral is correct m2, morale is what you have when you are positive and engaged at work, or in the military etc…

  27. rosehips says:

    ok vf, but give me some time ok?

    I found this hysterical. I’m not saying that Oxdown Gazette is full of crap, ok? I haven’t had time to research them. And we know wiki is loaded with misinfo, right? But this is too funny. Look what wiki says:

    The Oxdown Gazette was a fictional newspaper used by the National Council for the Training of Journalists for its regional and local journalism exams. Since the 1970s, trainee journalists would have to write reports on fires, floods, rail crashes and fatal accidents in the imaginary town of Oxdown. The idea was to replicate, as far as possible, the sense of local knowledge trainees would have if working for a real paper.

    Oxdown was part of Oxshire. Several exam papers focused on crime committed in the now infamous Riverside Estate, which made places like Hackney, Peckham and the Gorbals seem like paradise. The Oxdown Gazette produced such stories like a crooked Santa preying on the old people of Oxdown, a theft with one robber being fat the other called Alan and parking problems at the towns racecourse.

    In 2006 the NCTJ decided that it would no longer use Oxdown. Instead, a variety of locations and publications would feature in its exam papers. The decision was not well received by some journalists and lecturers who had a sentimental attachment to the fictional town and launched a campaign to save it[1].

    In the fall of 2008, the American-based online news and opinion site Fire Dog Lake ( resurrected the name ‘Oxdown Gazette’ and applied it to a portion of the Fire Dog Lake website, at

  28. VotingFemale says:

    We need unbaised media watch dogs… not Socialist Operatives juicing up stories with lies and propaganda for partisan warfare.

    And PAMELA HESS is a left wing Media Operative

  29. rosehips says:

    and I assume that since you seem to expect me to research each author I cite, that you are doing the same? So you researched Jim White, right?

  30. m2elena says:

    VF, the one story by the AP that outlined the generous Tax “cuts” offered by Obama in near lucid truthfulness has been SCRUBBED. It was honestly a good-faith liberal slant, explaining what the cuts were -which are credits, and it broke it down into actual dollar amounts credited to employees in employer withholding on the paychecks. That article is GONE.

    Wonder why? Except I don’t wonder, because I know.

  31. VotingFemale says:

    UPI – United Press International
    Is a left wing media outlet… and what they say has to be viewed with suspicion.

    m2elena says

    true rosehips… I don’t know what UPI is,
    But I generally accept WSJ and AP…

  32. rosehips says:

    so it seems we need to set some guidelines. I cannot use any source that you deem as “left wing media outlet” but it’s ok for you to cite flaming right wing propaganda like WND, not to mention Fox News?

  33. rosehips says:

    can we at least come to an agreement on one media source that we can all agree is unbiased?

  34. VotingFemale says:

    M2, this is the insidious nature of the Socialist infiltration into the Media…

    Rose rather innocently quoted a source that supports what she wants to believe.

    It is not easy to have one’s party accused of being Socialist and a pack of liars. But it is what it is.

    And to be fair, the GOP politicians have been caught in lies also. It makes it hard to sift and easy for each party to point fingers at the other.

    This is why I seek truth… regardless.

  35. VotingFemale says:

    Not really, rose… they are all biased.

    rosehips says

    can we at least come to an agreement on one media source that we can all agree is unbiased?

  36. m2elena says:

    alright ladies, lets move the convo down to Defcon 3… that’s my favorite word this week. LOL.
    I see overwhelming liberal bias in media because there is more, and it is the type of people that go to journalism schools. And I see, conservative bias on the rest to counter-balance. I think we’ve all known for the last few years or more that the media has become not the ‘watch dog press’ it was meant to be, but a bunch of immature, entitled goods trying to “make a difference in the world” with their subjective opinions lavishing their report-style. Just look at Anderson Cooper, so commended, yet he called half this country “tea baggers”…

    I agree with you both. Now let’s figure out about Pelosi/and or Gitmo/interrogation. Cool.

  37. m2elena says:

    This was supposed to be immature entitled goons.

    not: immature, entitled goods

  38. rosehips says:

    well I did research firedoglake, from which you cite. It’s a flaming liberal blog! lol.

    Jane Hamsher – FireDogLake
    Posted on 28. Sep, 2007 by David Cohn in FireDogLake, Money, Politics

    Introduction and Narrative: FireDogLake is an unabashed liberal blog that started in the wake of the 2004 election. Jane Hamsher, a movie producer, created a simple blogspot blog to collect the posts she had written on her personal Daily Kos blog. “That was all it was supposed to be,” says Hamsher. Today, however, her blog is used “as a means to organize the left.” Over time FireDogLake picked up a strong audience, specifically around its coverage of the Plame Affair, which would later involve Scooter Libby.

    Introduction and Narrative: FireDogLake is an unabashed liberal blog

  39. m2elena says:

    here’s a good video of a student questioning condi about Guantanamo Bay, I recommend that anyone who watch it, at least go to the 4 minute mark and beyond for something none of us hear about in “the media”..

  40. m2elena says:

    rosehips, don’t be offended by the title of this youtube video which is offensive. The content is honest and good dialogue.

  41. VotingFemale says:

    I have to sift it all… and make common sense judgement as to what is believable and what is not… what is fact and what is not.

    one way is confirmation… and knowing the character of each of the major sources of “news.”

    I doubt there are many people on both the left and right who believe MSNBC is not biased to the left and FOX is not biased to the right.

    And when I catch FOX lying or distorting I call them on it… that is a matter of blogging history and is recorded on the internet.

    How does one know when their child or husband is lying? And do we simply take as truth what is said on the basis of our love?

    It is an issue of trust… based on experience of seperating trust from distrust.

    This is also used and exploited by the Media and politicians.

    Credibility is a seriously important thing… that is why credibility is attacked to discredit.

    And why I pointed out the lack of credibility of HESS.

  42. rosehips says:

    m2, what does Defcon 3 mean? Is that a movie reference?

  43. rosehips says:

    m2, I have to say that I question Condi right from the bat. She said “first off, you do what’s right. You make a judgement about what is right.”

    So legal doesn’t factor in? If it’s right it should be made into a LAW. The gov’t should NOT be making illegal judgement calls.

  44. VotingFemale says:

    using common sense I come away with real doubts as to the truthfulness of Pelosi and look for confirmation of both her truthfulness and untruthfulness.

    I dont want to dislike and disbelieve Pelosi.
    She is the Speaker if the damn house of representatives and if she is a liar, and I have much reason to believe she is, she should not be in office… and our country is being ill-served by an untrustworthy office holder.

    I believe in a balanced two party system.

    There is nothing to be gained by letting office holding liars get away with lying… be they left or right.

  45. m2elena says:

    no rose, she said they had 2 councils come in and determine legality of Guantanamo, 1 was European and the other was “international”…. They had people outside the U.S. define the operations at Guantanamo- which were found to be ‘medium security’ and ‘legal’ …

    when does it all end? How many committees, foreign or otherwise have to validate it? When the irony is- in Iran people are stoned to ‘death’ and hands cut off.
    Etc. The peacenik movement carries no weight, and that is who Obama is pandering too. But they never, ever protests genuine atrocities. Never. ;\

  46. m2elena says:

    and believe me, this shit is pandering. This lying by Pelosi, and this releasing of half-memos at the risk of compromising our Central Intelligence Agency. Political pandering, and it does nothing for us. The people who live here and pay taxes for this country.

  47. VotingFemale says:

    Doing what is Right must be based on doing what is legal and constitutional. There is no right if it is not legal and constitutional.

    Are you now trying at a deflection of the thread to Condi to take the heat off of Pelosi or is it in context of Pelosi?

    rosehips says

    m2, I have to say that I question Condi right from the bat. She said “first off, you do what’s right. You make a judgement about what is right.”

    So legal doesn’t factor in? If it’s right it should be made into a LAW. The gov’t should NOT be making illegal judgement calls.

  48. rosehips says:

    I think it should end with Congress and the Obama admin determining if waterboarding is legal or not. If it’s legal, ok. Condi said there was no torture at Gitmo. So waterboarding is not torture? I’m having a difficult time buying that.

  49. VotingFemale says:

    And for the record I don’t have reason to believe that Condi would not lie or spin for partisan reasons.

  50. rosehips says:

    VF, I agree. I do have doubts about pelosi’s truthfulness. But I have doubts about the CIA’s truthfulness too. So I am trying to find confirmation to determine who is lying and who is not. I will not make any blanket statement one way or another unless I am convinced, based on documented facts. I have yet to be presented with any.

    vf said: using common sense I come away with real doubts as to the truthfulness of Pelosi and look for confirmation of both her truthfulness and untruthfulness.

  51. m2elena says:

    well when they say ‘torture’ in relation to Obama and his CIA director, and his appointees they say “harsh interrogation”.

    When they say it about Bush they say “torture”… so obviously the media makes their own words, with the same meaning attribute to who they wish.

    Perhaps Condi didn’t think it was torture but harsh interrogation techniques.

  52. rosehips says:

    thanks for the link m2. now I know.

  53. m2elena says:

    To me, it’s not about the her spin, but the things she brought up, 2 commissions outside the U.S. deemed it “medium security” and only had 1 issue with the extended hold.

    As to her partisan question. Sure she’s partisan, but where in the media did we hear that? Just thought it was interesting.

    VF says: And for the record I don’t have reason to believe that Condi would not lie or spin for partisan reasons.

  54. VotingFemale says:

    This thread is about Pelosi lying about not knowing and not being informed and not disapproving of Enhanced Interrogations Techniques.

    Whether or not water boarding is or is not illegal is not the topic of this post, Rose.

    It was approved by congress… which renders it sanctioned.

    There will always be controversy over whether it is morally “right” to use enhanced interrogation techniques.

    Some people will say it is and some people will say it is not. and that will never change.

    This thread is about Pelosi’s lying…

  55. rosehips says:

    yeah, there’s so much semantics that it’s hard to know what is what.

  56. rosehips says:

    vf, what was approved by Congress? waterboarding?

    It was approved by congress… which renders it sanctioned.

  57. m2elena says:

    yeah, I don’t know if it’s right. I don’t care, but I do know the Democrats were part of approving it’s legality.

    Pelosi, had she not been a Democrat, would have been pounded for her flip-flopping and dismissed from her position.

  58. rosehips says:

    I realize what the issue is. This post claims that the CIA provided “documented proof” that Nancy Pelosi “lied through her teeth”. I asked where in the documents this proof lies. You countered that I should prove that she is being truthful with her denial. It’s a lot easier to prove you wrote something than to prove that you were never told something.

  59. rosehips says:

    and besides, I never claimed she was being truthful….

  60. rosehips says:

    I guess I’m confused. Is waterboarding legal or not?

  61. VotingFemale says:

    Bill Clinton tried to get away with lying under oath and he got impeached for it.

    And Pelosi had better get her shit together before she takes an oath before a congressional committee and swears to a lie.

    Right now, it is to the advantage of the GOP to take it to those lengths to fend off the attacks on them from Obama and Pelosi.

    Learning to pick one’s battles is based on experience and time grown wisdom and Obama is both inexperienced and arrogant… and is cruising around in shark infested waters with this witch hunt.

    That is why he has flip flopped back and forth over approving of this GOP torture witch hunt proceeding… and why Pelosi is now in the hot seat… she made statements that are about to be shoved up her ass… and she has it coming.

    Just as Bill Clinton had it coming… “I did not have sex with that woman… Monica Lewinski.”

    And eventually Obama will have to face his avoidance of his true citizenship document withholding. Sooner or later the chips will fall…

  62. m2elena says:

    vf, I don’t believe Pelosi will ever be reprimanded or questioed by a committee. If they let Barney Frank and Dodd and her stay there after the end of last year, then I see no hope.

    The GOP is without nuts.

    Obama looks like a fool going back and forth, however.

  63. VotingFemale says:

    Rose, there is no law against water boarding enemy combatants. Also there is no law approving it either.

    That is the delimma…

    The US Department of Justice determined water boarding was legal and gave the CIA the go ahead to use it.

    Now the Socialists want it to be deemed illegal for partisan reasons.

    look at motives… of why it was used and why it is being attacked.

    and again… this post is about lying… not the legality of water boarding…


  64. m2elena says:

    rosehips. I ‘believe’ that water-boarding was outlined to elite members of Congress (as Washington Post reported in 2007) which was approved, as was the “caterpillar in the room with a man who is afraid of caterpillars” etc.

  65. m2elena says:

    Think I’ll take the dog out!

    VF wrote: gee..

    that’s funny for some reason.
    Talk to y’all later..

  66. VotingFemale says:

    M2, don’t get sucked into the illegality or legality of water boarding on this particular post…

    it is a common tactic called deflection to move the focus of the matter under discussion to a different matter of discussion.

    it is a defensive tactic…

    PELOSI is a liar and she is going to get that lie shoved up her catholic ass, in myopinion, and she richly deserves it.

  67. VotingFemale says:

    we are trying to sort out the partisan warfare… and get at the matter of lying of the Speaker of the House of Representatives…

    waging partisan attacks while discussing it just makes it harder to find common ground about the facts.

  68. rosehips says:

    well, I am going to get ready to go out. There is an awesome looking estate sale I want to go to in just about 30 mins. BBL

    Thanks for the debate! It got my blood flowing!

  69. rosehips says:

    well, I think perhaps the only way to resolve whether pelosi is lying or not is to waterboard her. Is it really that effective? lol.

  70. VotingFemale says:

    If the GOP does not have the balls to stand up against this partisan infighting witch hunt of the Socialists… they deserve what they get for being ball-less.

    m2elena says

    vf, I don’t believe Pelosi will ever be reprimanded or questioed by a committee. If they let Barney Frank and Dodd and her stay there after the end of last year, then I see no hope.

    The GOP is without nuts.

    Obama looks like a fool going back and forth, however.

  71. VotingFemale says:

    Now THAT! is wicked funny!!!!!!!!


    Perhaps Obama can explain “the other techniques which are just as effective and is not so-called torture” to use on Pelosi to extract a true statement from her!

    I am waiting to hear what “other” techniques Obama is versed in that gets the job done…

    Is it the dreaded CTT?

    Chicago Teleprompter Torture?

    rosehips says

    well, I think perhaps the only way to resolve whether pelosi is lying or not is to waterboard her. Is it really that effective? lol.

  72. VotingFemale says:

    Obama’s legal torture techniques… I wonder what they are… the terrorist must be shaking in fear over those “other” techniques Obama speaks of that will make them spill the beans.

  73. VotingFemale says:

    Would Obama subject Bush to nut twisting if no one was looking except CNN?

  74. VotingFemale says:

    If this was not about attacking the GOP with intent to destroy, Obama would have simply declared water boarding not allowed. period… not media dog and pony show… no posturing in public…

    just issue an executive order that simply states… I disapprove of water boarding going forward and commission the CIA to find other techniques for which the US can not be criticized by critics of US Foreign Policy and which are effective in getting intelligence from battle zone captives of which such gained knowledge is vital to US National Security.

  75. VotingFemale says:

    And if Obama is willing not to gain intelligence from captive war fighters then the loss of that intelligence and the resulting deaths of Americans is something he will have to answer to and be accountable for.

    War is a nasty business… and winning is important… it is a contest of killing to resist those who destroy, and who take by force, that which is not theirs.

    That is why police officers wear guns and use them… instead of water pistols when performing their duties in the war between criminals and the social law of order.

  76. m2elena says:

    There’s a lot Obama could have done with his gift on personable likability instead of using it for polarizing and dividing. He is a gifted man, yet deceptive. Which is very sad.

    vf says:
    If this was not about attacking the GOP with intent to destroy, Obama would have simply declared water boarding not allowed. period… not media dog and pony show… no posturing in public…

  77. lisaintx says:

    I think Rice explained it well. Unless you were there after the attacks of 9/11 and had to make a choice between protecting our country at whatever means necessary or to not do this and risk more American lives, then the disclaimers should shut the hell up and be damned thankful that our president choose US over the terrorists being a bit uncomfortable.

  78. lisaintx says:

    Maybe he’ll make them watch CNN or MSNBC?? hahahaha….or the Disney Channel until they fess up and spill those refried beans??hahaha

    VF asks
    Obama’s legal torture techniques… I wonder what they are… the terrorist must be shaking in fear over those “other” techniques Obama speaks of that will make them spill the beans.

  79. ohiobelle says:

    ahhh.. great post vf! Nancy Pelosi is a liar!

  80. M2Elena says:

    is it true that they read the detainees Harry Potter!?

  81. m2elena says:

    my avatar disappeared for one hot minute.

  82. ohiobelle says:

    m2, what happened to your picture that made me laugh so hard?????

  83. ohiobelle says:

    Ok there you are hahaha! Good morning my fellow sinner…

  84. lisaintx says:

    This is WHY the blacklist given by the DHA is so damning..IMO.
    He not ONLY weakened and caused a division in the USA, but he has installed a standard in foreign policy by publicly condemning OUR TROOPS as Right-wing Terrorists wannabes!!! What the HELL is WRONG with this man and his admin??? And his apology tour is just disgusting!!! and nothing but a political maneuver to further demonize the past administration as I see it.

    VF says “And if Obama is willing not to gain intelligence from captive war fighters then the loss of that intelligence and the resulting deaths of Americans is something he will have to answer to and be accountable for.”

  85. m2elena says:

    good morning-near afternoon, you white republican party bigot!

  86. lisaintx says:

    I gotta run—hubby home and wants to run to town for a bit….Have a great day all. :-}

  87. lisaintx says:

    Hahahahaa…..Fellow Racist Conservative Terrorists…hahaha

  88. m2elena says:

    what’s up, gun-totin’ Party of No, anti-Obama supporting racist.

  89. m2elena says:

    Yeah, I have to take dog to the vet, I’ve switched vets… dropped the other like their hot. I can take advantage that until vet-care goes socialist.

    The other people were trying to charge me for un-needed tests! So I take my business elsewhere, and that starts today.

  90. ohiobelle says:

    M2 wrote: what’s up, gun-totin’ Party of No, anti-Obama supporting racist.

    I love the party of no…. hahaha
    Be very careful of vets. I just love the way they try to over charge for something they didn’t even do. I have a couple dogs and I get a 10% discount when I take them both at the same time.. does 10% really make a difference on a $750 dollar visit? Not much. I miss the old days when I could take my dogs in for $200 bucks.

  91. m2elena says:

    yeah belle, the other vet- I should have switched 1.5 years ago. They started to do things I didn’t want. Like Bordetella vaccine. (Finny never goes to be boarded. Never.) it’s useless, and they charge 30 bucks or something. The straw that broke the camels back was the front desk girl arguing with me about heart worm meds. I went to get more, and she told me that they now have to test him for heart worms even though he’s been on continuous meds), and I can understand if that’s their policy, but she was so rude. And I said, how much is the test (34 bucks), and I said, he’s been on meds continuous. And she goes “He can still get heart worms on the meds.”

    I was like, I am done with this joint! Buh-bye.
    Ha ha ha…

    The new place is closer anyway.
    I hope it goes okay.

  92. ohiobelle says:

    M2, when I took my beagle to the vet for her wellness test ($385 bucks) they gave me a sucky thing and told me to get a urine sample from her… needless to say they charged me for that urine test and they never did the test and I most certainly never did that test. lol Vets are a rip off.

  93. m2elena says:

    yeah I agree belle. That’s what I was saying on rosehips tamiflu ireport. It’s all a racket!! for money. Dentist x-rays, vet crap, everything!

    bbl… 🙂

  94. rosehips says:

    belle, a wellness test for your dog? $385? gawd, get a pet rock or something. I won’t even spend that kind of money on my children, lol.

  95. rosehips says:

    my cats don’t ever go to the vet. If they are sick, I figure they’ll get over it. If they don’t, I guess the cat goddess has decided it’s time to go.

    I’ve had my two cats for over 15 years and besides getting fixed, I can only remember taking them to the vet once. I don’t recall what for. I don’t go in for high maintenance animals…that’s why I got rid of my husband. lol.

  96. ohiobelle says:

    rosehips wrote: belle, a wellness test for your dog? $385? gawd, get a pet rock or something. I won’t even spend that kind of money on my children, lol.

    Yea and I had them remove some test to get it at that price… The funny thing is you do spend that money on you kids but you don’t realize it because insurance is paying for most. I had a blood test a couple of months ago to test for hypertism and the bill was about $650 but I only paid $65.00. I know they have pet insurance but I don’t know if it is worth it.

  97. ohiobelle says:

    Does anybody know if the CIA released the documents that prove Nancy Pelosi approved the use of the enhanced techniques?

  98. rosehips says:

    well belle, we have subsidized health care here in WA (think socialism) and I don’t pay a dime for my kid’s health care. But they have the gall to charge me $30/month for mine. damn greedy bureacrats….

    belle said: The funny thing is you do spend that money on you kids but you don’t realize it because insurance is paying for most.

  99. ohiobelle says:

    haha.. the documents are out and Nancy Pelosi knew the whole time.. She approved the enchanced interrogations! Nancy Pelosi is a big fat liar.

  100. samiam60 says:

    I am in total and complete SHOCK. To think that Nancy LIED.again, as usual. Thank the Good Lord that we can trust Barrack H. Obama.
    I know I can cause the Liberals told me I could.

  101. samiam60 says:

    Heil Nancy, Heil Obama, You vile take good care of us, he,he,he,he, Auctone!!

  102. samiam60 says:

    Can’t wait to read Obama’s new book Mine America. Oh, by the way I’m back now.

  103. VotingFemale says:

    Hiya Lisa and Belle!

    And we have this… so much for the DHS having their eye on the terrorist threat of conservatives…
    when there is an Army of Black Liberals in Washington DC ready to start the Second Civil War… CWII

    According to Socialist Radical Marion Barry the convicted cocaine snorting Mayor of DC:

    Marion Barry: D.C. Risks ‘Civil War’ on Gay Marriage
    Thursday, May 7, 2009 2:46 PM
    By: Rick Pedraza Article Font Size

    Washington, D.C., City Councilman Marion Barry predicts there will be a “civil war” in the nation’s capital if the District of Columbia decides to take up a broader same-sex marriage bill this year.

    “All hell is going to break loose,” warned Barry, the former D.C. mayor once jailed on cocaine charges, after the council voted 12-to-1 Tuesday to recognize same-sex marriages performed elsewhere. “We may have a civil war. The black community is just adamant against this.”

    Barry, a longtime D.C. mayor who followed a third term in office with a conviction on cocaine possession charges, assumed the councilman’s office for the fourth time after his release from a three-year prison term in 1992.

    A self-proclaimed longtime supporter of gay rights, he was the only council member to vote against the same-sex marriage bill Tuesday, saying he did to satisfy his Southeast Washington district constituents, the Washington Post reports.

    “What you’ve got to understand is 98 percent of my constituents are black and we don’t have but a handful of openly gay residents,” Barry explained.

    “Secondly, at least 70 percent of those who express themselves to me about this are opposed to anything dealing with this issue. The ministers think it is a sin, and I have to be sensitive to that.”

    Barry’s comments came after a group of black ministers that oppose same-sex marriage protested outside the council chambers after the vote. The group reportedly threatened council members who voted for the bill with retribution at the polls.

    The uproar caused such a commotion that security guards and police had to be called in to clear the hallway, according to the Associated Press.

    Leading a charge in Congress to overturn the district’s move to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states is Utah’s newest member of Congress, Rep. Jason Chaffetz. Chaffetz, the ranking Republican on the House subcommittee that oversees the district, is talking to House minority leaders over options to thwart the same-sex marriage sanction within the nation’s capital.

    “I’m in favor of recognizing marriage as a union between a man and a woman,” Chaffetz told The Salt Lake Tribune in Utah. “I’m not in favor of trying to redefine it, or disguise it under another name.”

    Unlike other U.S. cities, Washington has no ultimate control over its own laws and budgets, leaving Congress 30 days in which to decide whether to cancel the city council’s vote.


  104. VotingFemale says:

    And that 12-1 vote? That was the second vote.
    On the first vote it was 130.

    One of those voting in favor of it asked for a second vote because he said he did not know what he was voting for when he voted in favor of recognizing SSMs of other states.

    Anyone care to hazard a guess as to who asked for the second vote so they could switch to no?

    I’ll give you a hint… S N O O O R R T sniff sniff

  105. samiam60 says:

    It couldn’t have been Obama cause while in the JR. SENATE he was never there or LATE.

  106. rosehips says:

    I told you pelosi was lying! lol

    I posted an ireport about the cyberbullying bill:

    gotta run. bbl.

  107. samiam60 says:

    Just for him to state publically that could set off a Cival War could spread around this Country like wild fire.

  108. rosehips says:

    and VF, you might get a kick out of this ireport…check out Harvey’s and blabbylip’s exchange.
    You remain a larger than life figure on ireports VF. I think you are destined for the Ireport Hall of Fame someday.
    When I take my grandkids to the ireport hof museum, I will be able to tell them how I knew you and then I’ll tell em all about the blogwars of 09. lol.

  109. VotingFemale says:


    It wasn’t Barack…

    That 12-1 vote was by the 13 members of the City of Washington DC City Council.

  110. VotingFemale says:

    Rose… looks like the Harvey/Blabby exchange was purged by the all might moderator….

    think they will get two years and forced into iCry Purgatory? ROFL

  111. VotingFemale says:

    ohh… ok I will check the new link

  112. VotingFemale says:

    Harvey50? Seems you have an extraordinary interest in men’s butts, d00d. That sodomy iReport seems to have gotten you excited. ROFL

  113. VotingFemale says:

    uh oh… Harvey figured out I was blabbylips?


  114. VotingFemale says:

    Damnit Harvey, leave the Blabby account alone!
    Or I will personally see to it you are banned from iReport.

  115. VotingFemale says:

    and jimjj? Get a life and start making constructive comments and strive to make iCry a fun and informative place to be banned from!

  116. VotingFemale says:

    Opps… the Blabby account just called Harvey a moron… there is a war brewing.

  117. samiam60 says:

    Guess the fever is still here a little but I stand by Barracks record in the Senate anyway. LOL

  118. VotingFemale says:

    now jimjj calls the account Blabbylips Blubberlips and plants the seed of doubt that the account Blabbylips is not female.

    gee… think jimjj is looking to earn his iTroll stripes?


  119. VotingFemale says:

    that iCrap is funny!

  120. VotingFemale says:

    sorry to hear about the fever dear…
    and yeah, Barack was a real “Present” voter and was absent a lot too.

    samiam60 says

    Guess the fever is still here a little but I stand by Barracks record in the Senate anyway. LOL

  121. VotingFemale says:

    It makes me mad I have to know so much about that Snot-In-Charge grrrr

  122. VotingFemale says:

    ************ BREAKING NEWS ***************

    Obama to Address Muslim World From Egypt

    Updated 2:25 p.m.
    By Anne E. Kornblut and Glenn Kessler
    President Obama will make his promised speech to the Muslim world from Egypt, a White House official said on Friday.

    Obama pledged during the campaign to address the Muslim world from a Muslim capital within the first few months of taking office. Picking a site proved challenging for a range of reasons — from diplomacy to security — and the decision took longer than expected, with Obama commissioning options from a research team.

    Having settled on Egypt, the White House will announce soon that he is adding a stop there to an upcoming overseas trip, presumably his early June visit to Normandy for the anniversary of D-Day.

    Choosing Cairo will inevitably bring comparisons with a major speech that then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice gave there in 2005, urging democracy and reform in the Middle East.

    In that speech, Rice specifically urged the Egyptian government to “put its faith in its own people,” calling on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to end violent attacks on pro-democracy demonstrators, stop “arbitrary justice” and lift emergency decrees allowing the police to break up gatherings of more than five people. She also made similar demands on Saudi Arabia, another close U.S. ally. However, Rice tempered her comments by saying the United States had “every reason for humility” because of its history of slavery and racism.

    Mubarak, who will meet with Obama at the White House later this month, was so angered by the democracy push that he did not make his annual spring visit to Washington for all of Bush’s second term. The Obama administration, in its budget released this week, has already loosened restrictions imposed by Bush to ensure some U.S. aid went to democracy groups not approved by the Egyptian authorities.


  123. VotingFemale says:

    I chucked when I saw ya post that same comment on that very link! opps!!! 😀

    rosehips says

    whoops, here’s the link:

  124. ohiobelle says:

    What I don’t understand is why Nancy would lie about the enhanced interrogation techniques?? The EIT’s saved us from more attacks. This should be our chance to get rid of her once and for all.

  125. ohiobelle says:

    I did a post about this. I also included a link to view the documents.

    It appears they were briefed more than the detainees were “tortured”. lol

  126. VotingFemale says:

    Why Belle? Two words for ya!

    S E L E C T I V E M E M O R Y

    she really is a space shot

  127. ohiobelle says:

    Hello vf…

    Three words for ya!


  128. VotingFemale says:

    And plan and simple?

    she makes stuff up as she goes…

    think back on her statements about visiting with the Pope.

    And the Pope’s version of what happened during that 15 minute tongue lashing from him

    and the total absense of a photo opertunity with Pelosi and the Pope.

    She is a pathological liar…

  129. lisaintx says:

    LMAO!!! hahaha…What a IDIOTIC thing to say! Everyone become homo’s in order to control the population expansion….Hahaha…what an UTTER MORON!!!!

    TJCIII TJCIII // 4 hours ago
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    I agree Harvey. I think population control all over would do the world a big favor. We are overpopulating, over developing, over killing, etc. Less people make sense, and homosexual activity just helps the matter.

  130. ohiobelle says:

    What I don’t understand is why she is still in office??? Why do they keep her around?? I think this is a great time to kick her ass to the curb. lol

  131. VotingFemale says:

    Nine words for the Nancy of the Congress


    and three words for Belle!


  132. ohiobelle says:

    My lovely words for Pelosi..


    Hello Lisa. Fun day on iCry?

  133. VotingFemale says:


    that TJCIII comment is one of the most moronic things I have read in a while.

  134. VotingFemale says:

    Blabby is having a bad day on iPout


  135. VotingFemale says:

    yeah Pelosi… go get a job strangling babies that survive abortion… you are qualified. With your …ahem “MEMORY” you can forget it at the end of each day.

    Wink! Wink!
    You Betcha!

  136. ohiobelle says:

    vf wrote: iPout…. LMAO!

    I love it when the liberals turn on each other because they have nobody else to fight with.

  137. ohiobelle says:

    vf wrote: yeah Pelosi… go get a job strangling babies that survive abortion… you are qualified.

    AHHH That is funny as hell!

    I would love to see the anointed one and his group of lying butt heads out there looking for a job!

  138. VotingFemale says:

    belle… it’s the only thing they have left to feed their toll habit …turn on each other.

    They feel the NEED …the NEED to TROLL.

  139. lisaintx says:

    LMAO!!! The Rabid Marxist loving dogs of war are turning on each other to feed now!!…hahahaha…Isn’t Cannibalism against the law in the USA? LOL…ahahahaaa

    blabbylips blabbylips // 3 hours ago
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    Harvey, what is my agenda?????

    I made my comments against the poster. I also made a comment in reference to your comment that they breed like rabbits….I don’t bait anyone….

    You sound very angry…..but that is your problem.

    Did you ever bother reading my profile or any of my reports….do you have any clue what I believe in or stand for….

    Does it make you feel like a man to sit behind your computer and attack others because they state their opinions?
    Harvey50 Harvey50 // 3 hours ago
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    I see the discussion has strayed from the report and that means it’s time to go. Once the goons arrive, there’s really no reason to remain.

    Have a nice weekend everyone. Blabby tell VF I said hey…


  140. VotingFemale says:

    Hey Harvey? Blabbly told me to tell you to quit humping her leg!!!

  141. lisaintx says:

    Afternoon Belle and VF!! Hahaha…I’m trying to read all the comments on that ireport—just got to the blabby/harvey conflict and have been really enjoying that one!! hahaha..brb…hahahaa

  142. ohiobelle says:

    Guys I would love to stick around but I have my Friday night happy hour approaching.. I probably won’t check back tonight but I will try.

    hugs and kiss my bitches.. lol

  143. VotingFemale says:

    Blabby and Harvey sittin in a tree
    stabbing each other with total glee!

    Leave Blabby alone Harvey or I’ll get ya!


    Blabby? that Harvey is telling people in PMs that you are a guy. just thought you should know.

  144. VotingFemale says:

    All the best Belle dear!

    see ua soon!

  145. lisaintx says:

    jimjjj jimjjj // 1 hour ago
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    Your continued attacks are funny, in fact I have to go pee, if you were here I would leave the seat down.
    blabbylips blabbylips // 1 hour ago
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    I am actually going out to my gardening….Just came in for a glass of water…..carry on….

    Do you wear a cape while defending Harvey?
    jimjjj jimjjj // 1 hour ago
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    Once again Harvey50 was here all morning and you bust in and start a pow wow defending the people that want the USA dead. We can spot a fanatic when we see one.
    blabbylips blabbylips // 1 hour ago
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    I instill in my child…..I never said children….

    You really do have an issue with reading comprehension, not just spelling…

    That when someone makes fun of her,,,or any incorrect assumption, that she defend herself with words…..
    jimjjj jimjjj // 1 hour ago
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    Blabberlips writes…computer does not impress me.

    This post started way prior to your coming and ruining the dialog, that is why harvey50 said go back and read, so do not lecture me on my agenda.

    Go back and watch Oprah

  146. VotingFemale says:

    Lisa it is like Jerry Springer over there!



  147. VotingFemale says:

    gotta run for a bit

  148. lisaintx says:

    ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!@VF comment below!!Oh Gawd….can’t breath…ahahahahaa

    VotingFemale // May 8, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    Hey Harvey? Blabbly told me to tell you to quit humping her leg!!!

  149. Foxwood says:

    I see Lisa has left momentarily, but there are 4 states now that are making state law that reads similar to ‘any gun with ammo manufactured in the state and stays in the state, will have no federal gun restrictions.

    These states are Texas, Montana, Utah and now Tennessee. I’m calling my state representative.

  150. Foxwood says:

    Back from my meeting… 🙂

  151. lisaintx says:

    Yep!!! Ispringer is in FULL bloom!! LMAO…hahaha…It is fun to watch them feeding on their own for a change and I expect several flatliners to pop up at any moment—and comments to start disappearing which is why I copied them here—to save for others enjoyment!! hahaha ;-}

  152. lisaintx says:

    Hey Fox
    I saw a bit about that on Fox news last night. So now Tenn is now looking at that too!! YEAH!!! 4 down and 53 to go (if you go by Barracks state count) hahaha.;-}

  153. lisaintx says:

    How was the meeting?

  154. lisaintx says:

    LMAO@ Belle….Love and kisses to you too fearless one!!:-}

    ohiobelle // May 8, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Guys I would love to stick around but I have my Friday night happy hour approaching.. I probably won’t check back tonight but I will try.

    hugs and kiss my bitches.. lol

  155. lisaintx says:

    Is this what I think this is??
    A photo of Palin surrounded by an arch like you have on your avatar? LOL…hahahaaa

  156. Foxwood says:

    Meeting was boring… I had toothpicks in my eyes to stay awake. I really hate meetings. You have to dress up… I don’t do dress up by choice.

    Here is some old and new…
    Move It On Over – George Thorogood and the Destroyers from the album Move it on Over

    And the original 1947 version…

  157. rosehips says:

    did anyone see the link above to my cyberbullying post? I’ll paste it below.

  158. rosehips says:

    looks like everyone is gone?

    here’s my post from earlier:

    rosehips // May 8, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    I told you pelosi was lying! lol

    I posted an ireport about the cyberbullying bill:

  159. karmahd says:

    hugs and kiss my bitches.. lol

    Ohio I ain’t yo bitch, I am yo bastard!!

    What the F–k is this jimjjj talking about when he or she or it sez WE? Sounds like some sort of liberal left hate group huh!!

  160. rosehips says:

    hey karma, how you be?

  161. Foxwood says:


    I didn’t comment (because I don’t think I would like iReport from what you guys say about it) but did read. I have a similar article I’m working on. I’m listing each of the bill of rights being scratched off of the Constitution. I agree Rose. It’s not right.

  162. karmahd says:

    good I was just on your post

  163. karmahd says:

    Looks like you are getting a lot of action on the post

  164. karmahd says:

    Hey Fox what up dude

  165. Foxwood says:

    Hey Karma,

    Had to wear a suit today. I hate wearing suits. I got into my jeans as soon as the meeting was over. I’m a jeans and t-shirt kinda guy.

  166. Foxwood says:

    I even had to shave!

    boo who?

  167. karmahd says:

    Yeah I wore a suit for 18 years, I hate monkey suits, now I wear “business casual” much nicer, you brave enough to tell me what you do?? I am in the mortgage business

  168. Foxwood says:

    The only saving grace was the bourbon. 🙂

  169. lisaintx says:

    Hey all!!
    Did anyone see the video I posted on the other report? Mother Earth? If so, what did y’all think of it? Am I ‘out there”…hahahaaa

  170. karmahd says:

    Lisa where is it??

  171. Foxwood says:

    I work engineering for a small cellular company. I get to drive all East Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi to work on sites.

    Can you hear me now?

  172. lisaintx says:

    Oops, my husband is ready to go out to eat…BBL….:-}

  173. karmahd says:

    Scotch or tequila man myself

  174. karmahd says:

    Ahhhh yes I can Foxwood, I can FIOS you very well

  175. Foxwood says:

    More hints Rose…

  176. karmahd says:

    Rose? Foxwood, what game are you two playing, and what are the rules?????

  177. Foxwood says:

    I spend most of my time on my butt in an SUV driving all day. Maybe up to 2 hours a day working on a cell site because they are so far away.

  178. Foxwood says:

    She’s been asking questions, but I don’t answer. She gets hints.

  179. rosehips says:

    that was more than a hint foxy….cool!

  180. Foxwood says:

    Can you hear me now?
    Can you hear me now?

    That’s my job.

  181. rosehips says:

    hey karma, and anyone else who is interested… my landlord posted her first ireport! please visit and if you can say something positive (heehee) please leave a comment. ok?

  182. rosehips says:

    I’d like to help get her view up. She is an amazing woman who has worked relentless to bring justice to our criminal justice system. The mandatory maximums for drug crimes is appalling when we release murderers and rapists but can’t release drug prisoners because of some frickin zealots who decided that drugs were the most evil thing on the planet.

  183. rosehips says:

    karma, you can’t play but you can help me, ok?

  184. karmahd says:

    Hey, I make one maybe two calls to some old buddies and get IP’s game over, I will let you two play..

  185. karmahd says:

    I tried to get your post going but it kind of came to an abrupt end Rose, sorry about that, maybe later they will come back!

  186. karmahd says:

    Boo???? “do you want to play a game” what movie is that line from???

  187. karmahd says:

    OK time for the gym you two play without me!!

  188. Foxwood says:

    Sorry Karma, was working on my article.

  189. rosehips says:

    foxy, is that a link? it doesn’t work for me.

  190. Foxwood says:

    Hmmm…. it doesn’t work, Try this.

  191. Foxwood says:

    Gotta cook. bbs.

  192. LisaInTX says:

    Pelosi just needs to go outside and start digging her hole to plant herself in. She is a bald faced LIAR that has been caught in her web of LIES!!!
    I hear Impeachment is great this time of year!!;-]

  193. karmahd says:

    Wow 160 comments until I get on then 15 pattern here? I guess the blog is a day job LOL.

  194. LisaInTX says:

    Suspect detained over ‘extremist’ bumper sticker
    ‘Don’t Tread on Me’ puts driver in ‘watch’ category in DHS report

  195. Lisa I just saw that on the makes me sick.

  196. LisaInTX says:

    It pisses me off!!! Now I want a bumper sticker AND a flag and maybe even a couple of shirts with that written on it. Let the bastards run a “F—ING” background check on my ass. I have never even had a speeding ticket!!! So they can KISS THIS TEXANS BUTT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  197. Lisa! hahahaha I can’t beleive they haven’t pulled me over for my “winder sticker”! ha ha ha

  198. LisaInTX says:

    I just located this web site and ordered two flags, 2 shirts and bumper stickers!!
    I really liked the shirt and patch that showed the AK-47 that stated “Come and Take it!”—but I’m not quite there yet—maybe tomorrow or next week—depends on what OTHER insults Obamaland Security Throws at us. ;-]

  199. Foxwood says:

    I’ve been peddling my article and I missed this? In my own state even. I got to start getting the newspaper again.

  200. Foxwood says:

    Do a Google on “states rights” obama. There is alot of stuff going on and it is good.

    Here is my new article.

  201. Foxwood says:

    Oh, look in the news section when you Google.

  202. LisaInTX says:

    Hi Fox
    Heading to check out your new report. :-} brb

  203. Foxwood says:

    Nite all. Be back in the morning. 🙂

  204. LisaInTX says:

    Fox–I must be missing the ‘good stuff’—the link below is not encouraging at all. :-/

  205. My bumper sticker:
    Join The Patriotic Resistance!
    The Liberal Big Spending,Tax Increasing, Anti-Business,Liberty Destroying, Big Government, Socialistic, Unconstitutional Agenda

  206. LisaInTX says:

    Night all—heading to bed myself.

  207. LisaInTX says:

    I already joined and need to focus on that group more!
    We are having a ‘Tea Party” locally on July 4th….should be interesting…hahahaaa

  208. Foxwood says:

    I don’t know Lisa, it still sounds encouraging. Did you get to look at all the links on that Google? I went through about 4 Google pages. I could not believe what I was seeing.

  209. Foxwood says:

    Yeah I gotta go or I’ll miss my Fox n Friends. I got a thing for Alysen. 🙂

  210. LisaInTX says:

    Foxwood and All.
    I found this link about the GPS and Census.

  211. samiam60 says:

    VF, as always you never seese to amaze me. Great Post and an issue that concerns us all.

  212. VotingFemale says:

    Morning Lisa and Sam!

    Thank you Sam, dear.

    Lisa I will check out those links.
    I believe this States Sovereignty stake in the ground is going to shake the very ground that Washington DC is built on…

    That is is bigger that Roe v Wade.

    I have not yet blogged on the subject but am monitoring it carefully and will blog on it.

  213. LisaInTX says:

    Now this guy has a VERY valid point IMO!!!!
    Everyday we wake up to find that ObamaNation has insulted or labeled Americans some new and improved outrage just to keep us pissed and off balanced. (Speaking for myself–not sure how everyone else feels)

  214. LisaInTX says:

    Morning VF and Sam…moving over to new report. ;-}

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