Obama Uses Presidency to Attack Retirees Invested in Chrysler to Benefit His Own Socialist Party

The stupidity and Arrogance
of Obama seems to know no limits.

Go for it OBAMA!

MAKE MY DAY, DUMBASS!!!

UPDATE:
Lauria allegations of threats corroborated

Business Insider reports that more than one Chrysler senior creditor has corroborated Thomas Lauria’s allegation that the Obama administration threatened them with public attacks if they didn’t surrender their contractual rights. One of their sources says that the Obama team comprises some of the worst “ends justify the means” people he’s ever encountered (via HA reader Geoff A):

Creditors to Chrysler describe negotiations with the company and the Obama administration as “a farce,” saying the administration was bent on forcing their hands using hardball tactics and threats.

Conversations with administration officials left them expecting that they would be politically targeted, two participants in the negotiations said. …

The sources, who represent creditors to Chrysler, say were taken aback by the hardball tactics that the Obama administration employed to cajole them into acquiescing to plans to restructure Chrysler. One person said described the administration as the most shocking “end justifies the means” group they have ever encountered. Another characterized Obama was “the most dangerous smooth talker on the planet- and I knew Kissinger.” Both were voters for Obama in the last election.

One participant in negotiations said that the administration’s tactic was to present what one described as a “madman theory of the presidency” in which the President is someone to be feared because he was willing to do anything to get his way. The person said this threat was taken very seriously by his firm.

Well, that’s certainly reassuring. The man at the helm during one of the biggest economic crises in decades is a madman who will act in an unpredictable and irrational manner if he doesn’t get his way. It sounds like they paint Obama as either a lunatic or a petulant child.

As Glenn Reynolds says, the country is in the very best of hands.

The story now has more than one source, and mounting testimony — albeit understandably anonymous testimony, at least at this point — that the White House tried threatening senior creditors instead of doing their job in enforcing the law. Not only do they not realize that their responsibilities do not include building business plans for private enterprises, but also don’t include assuming the role of Michael Corleone and acting like organized-crime thugs. Actually, the way the White House made Obama sound, maybe Sonny Corleone is a better analogy … or perhaps Fredo.

From: http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/05/lauria-allegations-of-threats-corroborated/

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613 Responses to Obama Uses Presidency to Attack Retirees Invested in Chrysler to Benefit His Own Socialist Party

  1. LisaInTX says:

    Vf
    Thanks for posting this…this is the interview I mentioned earlier that set me off on another RANT last night—LOL
    It’s SO funny how the Dem Party has made ONLY the Repub party the ‘FATCAT” aka parallel to “Jews” during Hitler occupation, when most likely, if the accounting were done HONESTLY, they are equal in wealth and are most likely WORST than the Repub’s work ethics etc……geez, we just can not make this $hit up! Obama and his roving apology tour just keep biting themselves on the butt cheeks…LOL

    VF posted
    ‘Broken Tax System’

    The U.S. has “a broken tax system” that is “full of corporate loopholes that makes it perfectly legal for companies to avoid paying their fair share,” Obama said as he outlined his plan with Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner at the White House. Obama called most of the breaks “unjustifiable” and likened some company practices to a “tax scam.”

  2. VotingFemale says:

    hated to let the last post go… but there are other topics needing posting about…

  3. VotingFemale says:

    Right on Girlfirend!!! This guy is STOOPID!

    LisaInTX says

    VF
    AMEN SISTER!!!!!!!

    “Attacking Every American who does not agree with Obama is the dumbest most divisive and derisive act so far in Obama’s presidency.

    Many people who were swing voters are not taking it lying down…”

    Isn’t this where we yell they can KISS OUR A$$??LMAO…hahaha;-}

  4. Indycoltsfan says:

    Poor Bill, I think you wore him out VF. LOL! You hit him with so much info I think you overloaded him. LOL!

  5. Indycoltsfan says:

    That’s why I call him Odumba!

  6. Indycoltsfan says:

    the problem with odumba is he never ran anything besides his mouth.

  7. VotingFemale says:

    Indy, he obviously had no clue with whom he was dealing. 🙂

    When I say I like to debate, I mean it.
    I want people to bring their A game.

  8. VotingFemale says:

    I hope he comes back…

  9. Foxwood says:

    Repost:

    Rose said:
    “And how many get out of paying taxes by finding loopholes? Should this be ok when you and I have to pay taxes?”

    The “loopholes” they are getting rid of were there for a reason. Therefor not a cheat. They were place in the code for a reason. Obama calls them loopholes to make the public believe they are workarounds or cheats.

    Example, the portion of the tax code was put in that lets companies pay less taxes when they reside in another country was because they already pay those taxes in the residing country. They still have to pay US taxes minus the taxes they paid in the other country.

    Obama thinks he will bring those jobs back home when they have to double pay taxes…. We’ll see. I would rather have more jobs in our country. I’m not so sure this will work tho.

  10. LisaInTX says:

    Bill Is cute and at least open minded about things. I used to think of my self as open minded–LOL, now I’m just a PISSED OFF AMERICAN!! ;-}
    and YES, they can Kiss my Democratic A$$!! hahahaaa

  11. LisaInTX says:

    Speaking of outsourced jobs—has anyone else noticed that more and more of our food is coming from FOREIGN countries? I mean even most of our veggies are from Mexico—and they use human piss and feces as fertilizer people!! YUCK…might as well put in a garden over our septic tank and eat our our poop!
    And the Government is all into regulating our ‘food supply industry’ inside our country, but fail to address the REAL PROBLEMS as I see it.

  12. Indycoltsfan says:

    right on VF. He never got to see you in action in the good ol days of ireport. LOL! He missed some good fights. LOL!

  13. VotingFemale says:

    The Enchanted One’s “education in the school of reality” is just getting started, Indy.

    …and a man that knows not that he knows not, is a fool; avoid him.

    Obama is like Imperial Japan who thought they could knock out the US with a massive attack on Pearl Harbor.

    The Massive Obama Socialist Offensive has…
    “Awoken a Sleeping Giant and filled him with a terrible resolve.”

    The realities of American strengths are often under anticipated and under estimated and thus escapes the understanding of most non-Americans …like Obama, for instance.

    All he is really doing is giving America a series of electrical shocks… and far from incapacitation of us… it is stimulating us to come alive and push the Socialists back into their caves from which they slithered.

    This country did not become the Best and Strongest Country in the History of Humanity by accident. And not by the likes of self-appointed victims like Obama and his hapless band of Socialist Radicals.

    Wink! Wink!
    You Betcha!

    Indycoltsfan says

    the problem with odumba is he never ran anything besides his mouth.

  14. Indycoltsfan says:

    Lisa ,The mexicans believe in waste recycling so they don’t have to build sewage treatment plants. LOL!! Yuck!!! I didn’t know that. I will have to see where my store is buying it’s veggies.

  15. Indycoltsfan says:

    The taxes and the unions drove those jobs out in the first place.

  16. VotingFemale says:

    gotta run…. time to get some things done…

    BBL dears!!!

  17. LisaInTX says:

    i agree VF. Obama has created an OUTRAGE and INSULTED EVERY American on one issue or another. This has opened allot of eyes to what is really going on now and it will only open them more with each and every future BOGUS Speech that he gives.
    I have faith that American’s KNOW what made our nation great and will not tolerate the Karl Marx agenda that Obama Admin plots to make us into Europe and thus enact our very destruction.

  18. VotingFemale says:

    like I said… Obama is one major DUMBASS

    hahahahaha
    Never let up the pressure… never.
    That guy is going to stew in juices of his own making.

    BBL!

    Indycoltsfan says

    The taxes and the unions drove those jobs out in the first place.

  19. Indycoltsfan says:

    The problem with odumba and the rest of the socialist trolls in DC is that they believe their brand of socialism is the best and more superior than lets say european socialism and they will get a different result.

  20. Indycoltsfan says:

    see ya vf

  21. Indycoltsfan says:

    The White House Tuesday said it was bracing for further job losses when the Labor Department issues its latest employment report this week.
    CNBC.com
    ——————————————————————————–

    “I presume several hundred thousand jobs were lost last month and the Department of Labor will announce that on Friday,” White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said.

    Private economists surveyed by Reuters have predicted that the data would show 620,000 jobs were lost in April following a 663,000 decline in March.

    The report is due out at 8:30 a.m. EDT Friday.

  22. Indycoltsfan says:

    What a brain child robert gibbs is. He should be the poster child for the mentally challenged. I f Obama is a dufus. This guy is a dooooofuuuuus.
    jeeze! What a joke!

  23. LisaInTX says:

    Indy
    I was looking for an onion the other day—just a plain old white onion—nope, all from Mexico….ended up buying dehydrated….
    I have my doubts about the salmonella outbreaks coming from our LOCAL plants—-I think those peanuts came from Mexico and the government is keeping a lid on it in order to take over THAT industry too….call it a conspiracy—lol

  24. Indycoltsfan says:

    Lisa I live further north than you. Maybe Texas gets their produce from mexico because you are so close to the border. just a thought.

  25. LisaInTX says:

    Gibbs, “The I don’t Know’ press op?? LMAO…what a real winner Obama picked there!!
    And We get to pay for the idiot man to tell us “I don’t Know”?…haahahaa…

  26. LisaInTX says:

    Indy
    That’s possible??? Of course I’m about as far from the border as you can get and still be in God’s Country…lol ;-}

  27. Indycoltsfan says:

    That’s he favorite answer. “I don’t know” Can you image what a field day the press would have had if this guy had been GB’s press secretary.

  28. Indycoltsfan says:

    Who knows where your food and everthing else comes from anymore. The one thing you can usually be sure of is that it’s not coming from the USA. Sad isn’t it.

  29. LisaInTX says:

    They use animal manure for fertilizer and I’m sure some come from Pigs, which are just about the nastiest, eat everything that crosses their paths animals alive—just a thought??
    I have no problem eating a bit of bacon, ham or porkchops from time to time, but I prefer beef and chicken to pork after raising a few of those stinky varmits….

  30. Indycoltsfan says:

    Sorry Lisa, I keep forgetting that texas is such a large state. I think somone said that it takes more than 8 hours to drive from east to west texas.

  31. Indycoltsfan says:

    I am not big on pig products but I do like bacon with my eggs. LOL!

  32. LisaInTX says:

    Indy–right on!!
    I’m almost to the point of boycotting Walmart…..it is NOT the same company that Sam Walton had—-it is now nothing but Chinese cheap labor castoffs and really beginning to get to me as I rarely ever find ONE THING made in the USA there anymore! Now not even a damned vegetable!

  33. LisaInTX says:

    I was looking for a garden rake—guess what? All made in CHINA!! I even went to the local owned ACE Hardware store and found a really good one, but yep—you guessed it!! Made in GD China!!

  34. LisaInTX says:

    Well I gotta run for awhile myself…take it easy Indy, good talking with you. :-} stay outta trouble—heeee;-]

  35. Indycoltsfan says:

    see ya lisa

  36. Indycoltsfan says:

    I seems like another banned icry troll is back again.

    AnnaBanana29 // 2 days ago Report violation
    Roger thanks for the link, very interesting, hmmmm and hypocritical, as well. Great find. Thanx

  37. Indycoltsfan says:

    tooo funnny!!!! The trolls are just guessing now. I wonder if rogers2 is another banned troll.

    rogers2 // 2 days ago Report violation
    DeltaForce is the banned IndyColtsFan. And KarmaHD knows that it is.

    more
    DeltaForce is the banned IndyColtsFan. And KarmaHD knows that it is.

    https://votingfemale.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/obama-scare-force-one-buzzing-ground-zero-admin-knew-it-would-torture-new-yorkers/
    less

  38. Indycoltsfan says:

    more anna niceties from a soon to be rebanned icry troll. What do you think? possibly vog, janeinsane ,or 444.

    AnnaBanana29 // 18 hours ago Report violation
    Will the books all be upside down

    AnnaBanana29 // 17 hours ago Report violation
    TLW I’m waiting, I want them released. Let’s really see what was going on. Anyone that would out a CIA agent is unAmerican, a regular adolph cheney. BTW stock markets up, houseing starts are up, pending sales in the real estate market are up. Just how do you suppose that is happening? In just a 100 days things are turning around after eight years of…
    more
    TLW I’m waiting, I want them released. Let’s really see what was going on. Anyone that would out a CIA agent is unAmerican, a regular adolph cheney. BTW stock markets up, houseing starts are up, pending sales in the real estate market are up. Just how do you suppose that is happening? In just a 100 days things are turning around after eight years of incompetency. Bush could barely speak the language, a complete disgrace.

    AnnaBanana29 // 16 hours ago Report violation
    Now poor old george should have used a teleprompter as a shoe deflector. Of course unless it was upside down and he could read it!

    Ahhpook // 3 hours ago Report violation
    I predict that the Bush library will one day be attacked by an angry mob who will have finally learned just how truly criminal the entire administation was torches and gasoline and all.

    AnnaBanana29 // 7 hours ago Report violation
    DUDE I had forgotten that ‘is our children learning’ thanks for the laugh. I think the higher power was screwing with his head. He should have listened to his daddy, I voted for his daddy once. But I never ever voted for President Dufus

  39. Foxwood says:

    Lisa Said:
    “and they use human piss and feces as fertilizer people!!”

    That’s why I grow my own food.

    Indy. I probably live closer to Mexico than Lisa, and I don’t even live in a bordering state.

  40. Indycoltsfan says:

    More depressing news!

    The Department of Agriculture says food stamp enrollment set a record for the third month in a row in February (the most recent month available). One out of 10 Americans received food stamps. With the unemployment rate at 8.5 percent in March, and expected to have jumped to 9 percent in April, consumers’ energy use—and that of their employers—will likely decline not rise.

  41. Indycoltsfan says:

    Foxwood, It sound kind of sick, doesn’t it?

  42. Foxwood says:

    Yeah, I grow my own herbs, tomato’s, Cucumbers, Zucini, Okra (gotta have gumbo), Peppers (all varieties), Pears, Grapes, Figs, Onions, Broccoli… most of the vegies I eat. Too much salmonella out there. Got a green house so I can continue to grow most of them in the winter.

  43. Indycoltsfan says:

    That’s cool. I do have a fresh vegitable garden as well but only in the summer .

  44. Foxwood says:

    It’s cool till I get hit by a hurricane. I’ve rebuilt it twice. brb.

  45. LisaInTX says:

    Hey guys!! Check THIS out. Like we didn’t see THIS coming, but I didnt’ know about the China sub popping up next to the Kitty Hawk!! wait til I tell my USNAVY retired Husband!! Boy is he gonna have kittens!!
    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25436227-601,00.html

  46. LisaInTX says:

    Foxwood
    You are great man!! I have yet to start a garden, but I sure need to get out there and get one going ASAP!!
    Indy
    That is sad about the number of food stamps being issued—its telling a tale huh?

  47. LisaInTX says:

    Indy
    AnnaBanna sounds like JaneInSane…. rogers2—hmmmm? NOT sure, but a TROLL from he past for sure! I think it may be the same idiot that used to pose as VF and steal her ID, created bogus reports, then PM folks stating lies about her??

  48. Foxwood says:

    Lisa said:
    “Boy is he gonna have kittens!!”

    I’d like to see that. 🙂

  49. karmahd says:

    ooo funnny!!!! The trolls are just guessing now. I wonder if rogers2 is another banned troll.
    Dont you know I know everything???

    Have not been on Ireport since this time yesterday I wonder who I got banned today??

    Hell I was off all day yesterday and nobody was on here for most of the day, I showered??? Watzzzz up with that?

    rogers2 // 2 days ago Report violation
    DeltaForce is the banned IndyColtsFan. And KarmaHD knows that it is.

    more
    DeltaForce is the banned IndyColtsFan. And KarmaHD knows that it is.

  50. Foxwood says:

    Lisa,

    I heard Texas is working on legislation that gun manufacturers in TX will not have gun limitation? Do you know about it?

    I’m interested because IMO Texas has the most guns per person than any other state. It sounds like TX may be independent again, and would have instant militia. If the US goes socialist, I’m looking for somewhere to move.

  51. Foxwood says:

    Hmmmmm…….. Everyone must be watching Glenn.

  52. LisaInTX says:

    Foxwood
    I haven’t kept up with the latest going’s on in TX other than the possible “secession”…hahahaaa
    Per the SMWP aka Socialist Marxist Workers Party—Perry has already done this so why the hell not REALLY do it and start a tend toward real freedom again? LOL…..We’ve already been labeled and been found lacking, so they can Kiss Our Texas behinds!!

  53. LisaInTX says:

    This division started by the SMWP has already been determined and it is looking a whole lot like the North v the South yet again. Only this time, looks like the South has gone Repub, while the North is Dem aka SMWP….LMAO—wouldn’t my southern ancestors flip out over this change of events!!!!!!! Hey if Reagan can switch parties, so can we huh? ;-}

  54. LisaInTX says:

    Karma
    Amazing how much power we have and don’t even realize we have it, huh? I got blamed for GVSMRC and I wasn’t even online that weekend….hahaha …..Wished I knew how I accomplished that as I would LOVE to take out for good a couple of real vicious trolls that keep coming back from the dead. Now where is my ZAP gun with the troll lazer sighting???

  55. LisaInTX says:

    Indy—without a doubt, a reborn TROLL!!

    rogers2

    // Registered Apr 26, 2009

  56. LisaInTX says:

    Foxwood
    I think I saw that more and more folks are applying for conceal and carry licenses…..not sure about the other you spoke about?
    I’d be happy if we all could just carry a six-shooter and holster on our hips again. That should make it very clear that people if fired upon, have the right to shoot back with same intent.

  57. ohiobelle says:

    vf, great post! I love it!!

    The stupidity and Arrogance
    of Obama seems to know no limits.
    Go for it OBAMA!
    MAKE MY DAY, DUMBASS!!!

    Funny as hell!! lol

  58. Foxwood says:

    Karma,

    Found this headline, just not sure… is Vanity your better half?
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/04/vanity-karma-continue-toll-edwards/
    🙂

  59. Foxwood says:

    Karma,

    Found this headline, just not sure… is Vanity your better half?
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/04/vanity-karma-continue-toll-edwards/

  60. Foxwood says:

    Hmmm… howd that happen?

  61. Foxwood says:

    Lisa,

    Got a .45, but I’m sure I’d have to have a rifle to come into Texas. Can’t be in a militia with a .45.

  62. ohiobelle says:

    foxwood wrote: Found this headline, just not sure… is Vanity your better half?

    haha.. that’s funny.

  63. ohiobelle says:

    I’m once again pissed of at Pelosi!! I am getting ready to vent on my blog. The documents that prove she was informed and approved the enhanced interrogations must be filed with Countrywide Dodds mortgage papers.. that much be the problem.

  64. Foxwood says:

    Belle,

    I’m sure Sandy Burglar has them if you don’t find them.

  65. ohiobelle says:

    Foxwood, that’s so true…

    You know they (our corrupt government) had no problem releasing the “torture memos” but they refuse to release the documents that prove Nancy Bitchosi knew about the enhanced interrogations. It just pisses me off!

  66. ohiobelle says:

    Countrywide Dodd had everyone waiting for 8 months to see his mortgages from Countrywide… that gave him plenty of time to refi and look legal. I swear our government hates us all. I guess they’ll see how we feel about them on election day. lol

  67. billalmighty says:

    hey VF and everyone,

    this is a drive by comment because I have to go, but i’ll be on late tonight and tomorrow so you can run me through the ringer over what i’m about to write 🙂

    i/m/o….

    this post is bullshit!

    yep, sure is.

    everyone involved in the chrysler deal has made concessions including the UAW,

    yep…everyone except the holdouts in this one hedge fund.

    regardless of the threat accusations against the white house…paying one hedge fund first because they have “the legal, contractual, & constitutional right” and won’t cooperate like the others is BULLSHIT! it will only guarantee the future litigation of thousands of legal contracts that can no longer be honored because of the economy collapse. great, let’s turn it into a lawsuit festival.

    lots of people have had contracts that are not feasible any more given the crisis….everyone has lost, and these investors are just being selfish pricks. their counter offer of 50% is a joke. do you realize how many people have lost their entire life savings?!? these jerks should get nothing and have to lose their entire investment.

    this represents more of what’s wrong with conservatives’ current behavior…..you can’t favor a few over many just because they are rich. the majority of registered voters won’t go along with that either….it’s still a losing side to be on.

    let’s think of ways to win elections instead of ways to make fun of the socialists…how about that?

    don’t worry, i’ll be back so you can set me straight 😉

  68. Foxwood says:

    Belle,

    Not to mention that you have to start a Freedom of Information act to get the photo op over Manhattan.

  69. VotingFemale says:

    Dear? you comment is bull shit! lol
    You are either grossly uninformed or you are informed and choose to ignore the real issues.

    Either way… your comment is bull shit!!!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    billalmighty says

    hey VF and everyone,

    this is a drive by comment because I have to go, but i’ll be on late tonight and tomorrow so you can run me through the ringer over what i’m about to write 🙂

    i/m/o….

    this post is bullshit!

  70. Foxwood says:

    Bill wrote:
    “lots of people have had contracts that are not feasible any more given the crisis….everyone has lost, and these investors are just being selfish pricks. their counter offer of 50% is a joke. do you realize how many people have lost their entire life savings?!? these jerks should get nothing and have to lose their entire investment.”

    These guys have an obligation to get as much money as they can for their clients. That’s what’s in the contract.

  71. ohiobelle says:

    Foxwood wrote: Not to mention that you have to start a Freedom of Information act to get the photo op over Manhattan.

    AHHH don’t get me started on that one. lol

    I am trying to finish my post but I keep getting too pissed and my blood pressure is rising. lol I might have to save draft and finish tomorrow. lol

  72. ohiobelle says:

    vf wrote: Dear? you comment is bull shit! lol
    You are either grossly uninformed or you are informed and choose to ignore the real issues.

    hahaha I think he’s just chooses ignorance when it comes to the current administration… haha

  73. VotingFemale says:

    I love it when Bill’s eyes sparkle with anger! teehee!

  74. ohiobelle says:

    I like it when he gets all animated when somebody doesn’t agree with the anointed one… lol

  75. rosehips says:

    did I miss some good debate?

  76. VotingFemale says:

    Yeah Belle… he is looking to make me do all the work!

    little does he know this ain’t over with the Bully in the White House! The Enchanted One is ripe for an ass rapin! hahahahahaha and Tom Lauria is just the lawyer to do it!

    Wink! Wink!
    You Betcha!

    Lauria allegations of threats corroborated

    Business Insider reports that more than one Chrysler senior creditor has corroborated Thomas Lauria’s allegation that the Obama administration threatened them with public attacks if they didn’t surrender their contractual rights. One of their sources says that the Obama team comprises some of the worst “ends justify the means” people he’s ever encountered (via HA reader Geoff A):

    Creditors to Chrysler describe negotiations with the company and the Obama administration as “a farce,” saying the administration was bent on forcing their hands using hardball tactics and threats.

    Conversations with administration officials left them expecting that they would be politically targeted, two participants in the negotiations said. …

    The sources, who represent creditors to Chrysler, say were taken aback by the hardball tactics that the Obama administration employed to cajole them into acquiescing to plans to restructure Chrysler. One person said described the administration as the most shocking “end justifies the means” group they have ever encountered. Another characterized Obama was “the most dangerous smooth talker on the planet- and I knew Kissinger.” Both were voters for Obama in the last election.

    One participant in negotiations said that the administration’s tactic was to present what one described as a “madman theory of the presidency” in which the President is someone to be feared because he was willing to do anything to get his way. The person said this threat was taken very seriously by his firm.

    Well, that’s certainly reassuring. The man at the helm during one of the biggest economic crises in decades is a madman who will act in an unpredictable and irrational manner if he doesn’t get his way. It sounds like they paint Obama as either a lunatic or a petulant child.

    As Glenn Reynolds says, the country is in the very best of hands.

    The story now has more than one source, and mounting testimony — albeit understandably anonymous testimony, at least at this point — that the White House tried threatening senior creditors instead of doing their job in enforcing the law. Not only do they not realize that their responsibilities do not include building business plans for private enterprises, but also don’t include assuming the role of Michael Corleone and acting like organized-crime thugs. Actually, the way the White House made Obama sound, maybe Sonny Corleone is a better analogy … or perhaps Fredo.

    From: http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/05/lauria-allegations-of-threats-corroborated/

  77. ohiobelle says:

    Hi rosehips.. Once again I find myself pissed off at Nancy Pelosi.. nobody seems to debate that subject. I am trying to vent on my blog but I am so pissed that I may have to save draft and post tomorrow.

  78. ohiobelle says:

    vf wrote: The Enchanted One is ripe for an ass rapin! hahahahahaha and Tom Lauria is just the lawyer to do it!

    The longer Obama is in office.. the funnier you get. I love it.

  79. VotingFemale says:

    Guess what?

    Napalitano is back under fire again…

    seems a new their all terrorists memo was pinned and got leaked… this time it included Christians who oppose abortion

    and again Janet is back in front of the cameras trying to back peddle… yet again… and now it is reported the DHS personal are also po’ed at her for not backing them up…

    Seems DHS is going to hell in a hand basket and rumors are spreading Obama is considering her for the Supreme Court… HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Sometimes it’s hard to keep up with the Obama Crap hitting the wall daily… and the Socislist Media keeps doing Damage Control.. to no avail… It is a three ring circus boy and girls!

    And Obama is Big Top PEE WEE!!

  80. LisaInTX says:

    Bill
    I heard some UNION REPS seems like?? were getting paid 100% on the Chrysler deal and the investors I think it was??? were TOLD they could ONLY get 30 cents per dollar.
    Hmmmmm….okay….interesting? Why not SPLIT the difference and REALLY be fair?
    As to legal contracts—without them, our laws mean absolutely NOTHING!!!
    They could and should be renegotiated, but NOT TOTALLY discounted by our latest Socialist Empire Ruler in the land of Obamanation.

  81. LisaInTX says:

    Belle
    Pelosi is one face lift shy of a full CAT scan. Obviously, she has had too many and they have affected her memory of what is truth and what is the fictional fluff that she tells the public.

  82. LisaInTX says:

    VF
    Okay—now you gotta find a PeeWee Herman/Obama shop/chop photo and write a report on that one!!! LMAO…hahaha
    Starring Barack Obama as Big Top PeeWee…LOL

  83. LisaInTX says:

    VF
    Maybe Madam Napoleon wants to re-invent the old Roman entertainment, by creating a new channel. One program could be called “Don’t Feed the Christians to the Lions after midnight.” :-/ This could give a whole new meaning to the show “Survivor”….

  84. rosehips says:

    well, I just listened to Tom Laura and I have to say although he sounds convincing he didn’t make sense to me.

    Ok, pretend I’m an 8th grader. Explain to me the legal grounds that a contract must be honored after bankruptcy? I am uninformed. okay? But I thought that if a company, person, or other entity goes bankrupt, the contracts they have are nullified. Is this incorrect? I didn’t think they are obligated to pay their debt back and it goes to bankruptcy court and creditors get what they get. But the hedge fund investors had a chance to get 29 cents on the dollar, and even though they bought stock for 30 cents on the dollar, they wanted 50 cents on the dollar because their contract said they should get paid 100 cents on the dollar. Am I understanding correctly?

    But if Chrysler goes into bankruptcy, the contract is no longer valid and then they take their chances. Am I missing something here?

    If I am wrong, point out where. You may disagree with me that it is tough luck, tough love for investors, and I think that playing your violins for the retirees might work on some but these retiree were either of sound mind when they invested and knew that it’s a gamble and there is always a chance of bankruptcy, or they were senile and were exploited and then they can sue those who took advantage of their senility.

    I don’t believe in coddling investors. If I invest, I realize it’s a risk. I don’t expect the gov’t to come to my rescue if it doesn’t work out. Funny how some people can cry about the bailouts and then cry when investors aren’t bailed out.

    BOO HOO to those who lost out. I hope they have something left to gnaw on and if not, I hope their families or churches will help them.

    This must have been a difficult decision for all involved. I don’t think dumb or stupid is really an accurate description of why this didn’t got the way most of you would like.

    belle, ass-rapin????

  85. Foxwood says:

    Rose wrote:
    “Ok, pretend I’m an 8th grader. Explain to me the legal grounds that a contract must be honored after bankruptcy? I am uninformed. okay? But I thought that if a company, person, or other entity goes bankrupt, the contracts they have are nullified. Is this incorrect?”

    Can’t have it both ways Rose. The UAW got to keep their contract. Obama has his favorites.

  86. rosehips says:

    yeah, well if I were to choose between workers and investors, I’d choose the workers. But they wouldn’t get no sweet labor contracts with inflated salaries, pensions after 30 years and bennies to die for. sorry workers, everyone should sacrifice here. Those UAW contracts need to be renegotiated too.

  87. rosehips says:

    and foxy, you didn’t really answer my questions. Does the contract still legally need to be honored after a bankruptcy? I don’t think so.

  88. Foxwood says:

    After the bankruptcy, the judge devides up the money amongst the creditors. That was to equal 50 cents on the dollar. It’s the law.

  89. m2elena says:

    Hi y’all… I’m just here until Real Housewives comes on at 10 😀

  90. m2elena says:

    I don’t think the UAW will budge on renegotiations… That’s why we are at -this- point.

  91. Foxwood says:

    I read comic books. I guess I could be a terrorist.

  92. LisaInTX says:

    Rose
    You crack me up….Lol….do you NOT realize, without the investors OF these corporations, there WOULD BE NO Money for the workers? THE Union was the favorite to win as promised by the ‘Enchanted One”. Did THEY put money into the company? If so, how much? What did they loose? What did they gain?
    Now reverse that for the investors and there is the answer.

  93. LisaInTX says:

    Foxwood
    Isn’t that just flat out NUTS!!! Whatever shall Americans do now/ I mean, we are a threat to our country!!! Should we stop paying our taxes because we are now considered “Un-American”???
    These insults are really getting to me….I’m so damned mad its hard to see straight anymore!!! How dare that BITCH write up and say such BOGUS bullshit!!!

  94. rosehips says:

    lisa, you aren’t assuming that the last admin didn’t profile in this way as well are you? I can assure you that the same groups were watched and analyzed by Bush and would be profiled and analyzed by McCain or any President. We need to be aware of all POTENTIAL threats. I’m not sure if we need to be worried about pagans, but I think most of the groups they list are good to be aware of.
    As foxy said, you can’t have it both ways. Do we want to protect our law abiding citizens from potential harm? Should we ignore groups who have the potential to conspire to do illegal acts to undermine the gov’t? How can we identify these potential threats without analysis????

  95. LisaInTX says:

    Madam Napoleon needs to be removed from office, the sooner the better before she causes a war with her outrageous rhetoric!!

  96. m2elena says:

    rosehips writes: I’m not sure if we need to be worried about pagans

    … maybe you need to worry about “me”!! according to ‘some’ ppl! (wink) 😦

    fyi, I’m catholic.

  97. LisaInTX says:

    Rose
    IF they REALLY wanted to do their damned jobs, they would have secured our borders and gone after the sleeper cells that are already here. They would have STOPPED ILLEGAL ALIENS —no matter what it took to stop them, even death and then maybe the Mexican cartels would not have spread all over America like they have now.
    I find the targeting of Americans as done by this Admin to be outrageous and insulting. Do I sound pissed off? Well I AM with reason!!

  98. rosehips says:

    lol m2, I grow a lot of garlic, so you can come around me and I still won’t worry. 😉

  99. m2elena says:

    maybe someday I will turn good and can come to join everyone who is good.

    LOL …

  100. LisaInTX says:

    I’m not mad at you Rose, just venting off some steam. Now I got a headache from hell so must log off….night everyone…see ya tomorrow. :-}

  101. m2elena says:

    ahh sigh.
    Janet Napolitano reminds me of Janet Reno.

  102. LisaInTX says:

    McCain didn’t do shit either, nor did Bush, nor did Clinton!! They ALL betrayed We The People on this growing problem. The cowards!

    Rose says “I can assure you that the same groups were watched and analyzed by Bush and would be profiled and analyzed by McCain or any President.

  103. m2elena says:

    Goodnight Lisa, take ibuprofen!

  104. rosehips says:

    well lisa we can throw more tax money at the problem by trying to secure our borders, which I think is either impossible or not cost effective. We can also legalize drugs which will save us billions of dollars and cut the cartel down at the knees. But I don’t expect that many people are really willing to actually take a rational look at an alternative that although is not perfect, could take the air out of the cartels big balloon. If there was no illegal drug market in the US, what would the cartels do???

  105. rosehips says:

    get a good nights sleep lisa. tomorrow is another battle girl!

  106. rosehips says:

    better go cook dinner. It’s cinco de mayo so we’re having burritos…
    hasta luego~

  107. m2elena says:

    I’ve got no position on drug cartels.
    See I can shut my mouth on some stuff! Ha ha. I don’t have the knowledge for that issue.

  108. LisaInTX says:

    thanks M2….I’ll take 4 of them….I have the BIG ONE…lol….pound…pound

    Rose I’ll have to get back to you on that one…see ya tomorrow.:-}

  109. m2elena says:

    Or as Barack says “It’s cinco de quatro!”

  110. m2elena says:

    Lisa, could be sinus headache. Those suck.

  111. Foxwood says:

    Stinko de mayo! I forgot all about that. Gotta find that can of Hormel chili.

  112. karmahd says:

    catholic, why I “was” one of those myself, I remember some latin I think, “you play dominos we play dominoes we all play dominoes togetherrrrrrrr” Gregorian Chant!! I am starting to think you all wait for me to leave then you start to comment!!! And Foxwood don’t out my gig on Vanity Fair, it keeps me in panties and skin cream!!

  113. karmahd says:

    One quick note on the Chrysler gig, I did not read the comments and I am dog tired so forgive me. Butttttt, the major beneficiary of that deal is going to be the labor unions, everyone has to keep in mind “The Prince” AKA Obama, owes a huge debt to the unions, he will hold them and rub them and coddle them like little robin eggs… We the people will get the shell, Bill that is a metaphor remember, first metaphor translation was free, thing “shell” as in the remains of a company…ok that was half free…

  114. karmahd says:

    Think shell not thing shell, god I am beat, brain stem only here tonight, ciao, night all

  115. billalmighty says:

    anyone around?

  116. billalmighty says:

    see you tomorrow

  117. Foxwood says:

    This is your good morning wake up call.

    Journey to the Center of the Mind (1968) – The Amboy Dukes from the album Journey to the Center of the Mind (1968)

  118. VotingFemale says:

    Good Morning Everyone! You too, Barack. Word has it you read my blog! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Barack, I see through you like a screen door.

    You are destined to be recorded in history as the worst thing that every happened to the liberal party and the United States.

    And the CNNs will go down with you… for being your slobbering concubines.

    The true power is We the People.

  119. m2elena says:

    I’m not sure if he will be destined to be uncovered for what he or his administration is. The powers of the re-writing, re-contextualizing of text books astonish me— yet I still find completely unsurprising given the type of people who need to sell false message.

    Good morning VF 🙂

  120. rosehips says:

    Obama is destined for the history books without a doubt. He may go down as the worst in some books, but unless things go so far to the right that our schools allow revisionist history according to the Rush Limbaughs and Glen Becks of the world, those books will be relegated to the bargain basement under the genre of “Humor”. But why spend money on a book when I can come here for free? heeheheheeehee

  121. rosehips says:

    and good morning vf, m2 et al!

  122. rosehips says:

    and hi foxy…thanks for the wake up! it’s not quite 5 am but I’ve been up for a while. no rest for the wicked, i guess.

  123. VotingFemale says:

    Rose, to address your questions.

    In the event of Chrysler’s bankruptcy, they did not have to go into bankruptcy… had Obama paid off their debt. He chose not to do that and instead use strong armed tactics to force people who had loaned money to Chrysler to separate them from as much of their money as he could.

    In a bankruptcy like this one, there are assets worth money. It would be like you declaring bankruptcy and owning a shopping mall.

    You are declaring you can not pay the lenders to whom you are in debt because your shopping mall costs more to run that it makes and is not getting to get to a point of breaking even again because your credit payments are eating up too much of your income from the strip mall.

    In bankruptcy court, your assets are not yours they belong to your creditors and the assets are divided up amongst your creditors according to law.

    Generally, sale of assets yields less than the money owed to all the creditors not just some of them, thus some creditors are not awarded 100 cents on the dollars while other creditors get little or nothing.

    The court figures out what is equitable as far as paying off the creditors and in the case of Chrysler, that calculation is about 50 cents on the dollar.

    There is also creditor ranking system according to the law to cover the case that some creditors rightfully deserve more cents on the dollar than other creditors.

    What Barack is doing is working out something where some assets are sold and the rest of the debt is paid by the government in order to keep Chrysler in business.

    And part of the company is given away for nothing to a foreign automaker, Fiat.

    Barack is acting as a new owner of Chrysler and working to force creditors to take 30 cents on the dollar instead of 50 cents on the dollar to force them to take a loss so he can buy into Chrysler for less money.

    Now here comes the main issue of this situation… Barack is using threats of ruining the creditors balking at being short changed by using threats of turning lose the Presidential Press Corps on them to ruin their reputations in the press to ruin their companies thus force these investment firms out of business.

    The problem with this is that it is highly illegal and is extortion… it is Chicago style gangland mob tactics. This is not Chicago.

    It also highlights the fact that the MEDIA is an Arm of the Government who is directed at the Whim of the President as a tactical force of harm to exert his will.

    Do you wonder why the White House has been back peddling and saying “We Did Not Do That?”

    Because Barack has just discovered he is answerable to the rule of law… and if proven he used these strong armed tactics, he is in serious trouble.

    He can not do anything he wants… the law applies to him. And in his arrogance he stepped into a tiger trap of his own making.

  124. m2elena says:

    The only false message that has every been “dressed” to “sell” is the liberal-socialist message. time and time again. Even Obama had to re-dress his package in order to win. And it wasn’t liberalism, but conservatism that made people believe in him. All lies of course, but throughout history, it repeats itself. Such is the everlasting struggle for individual freedom from tyranny.

    rosehips says: Obama is destined for the history books without a doubt. He may go down as the worst in some books, but unless things go so far to the right that our schools allow revisionist history according to the Rush Limbaughs and Glen Becks of the world, those books will be relegated to the bargain basement under the genre of “Humor”. But why spend money on a book when I can come here for free? heeheheheeehee

  125. VotingFemale says:

    Morning M2.

    That is the problem with electing a guy with no track record except that of a 2 year junior senator and even that record was the most extreme left of all in the Senate.

    America bought a pig in a poke. A used car without a car fax history on it… and this used car salesman of a president is running wild.

  126. rosehips says:

    vf, so do you support bailing out the auto makers then?

  127. Foxwood says:

    Too early for this for me. I gotta go to work.

    Damn that 4 letter word!

  128. VotingFemale says:

    In theory, yes.

    And what say you about Barack’s strong armed tactics? You are diverting from the primary topic of the post… Barack’s Bad Behavior.

    rosehips says

    vf, so do you support bailing out the auto makers then?

  129. m2elena says:

    he won on the message of tax cuts. That is conservatism.

    They had to make him appear to be an empty slate. But there was a wealth of radical socialist-marxism popping at his seams.

    VF says: That is the problem with electing a guy with no track record except that of a 2 year junior senator and even that record was the most extreme left of all in the Senate.

    America bought a pig in a poke. A used car without a car fax history on it… and this used car salesman of a president is running wild.

  130. Indycoltsfan says:

    Morning Guys and Gals, This is the phrase that scares me.

    One participant in negotiations said that the administration’s tactic was to present what one described as a “madman theory of the presidency” in which the President is someone to be feared because he was willing to do anything to get his way. The person said this threat was taken very seriously by his firm

  131. m2elena says:

    morning indy… see how much chavez and obama have in common! So much!!!

    Next he’ll be having tea with the Castros.

  132. VotingFemale says:

    Have a good day, Fox!

  133. VotingFemale says:

    I saw through this guy early in the primaries…
    and nothing I iReported about him has failed to come true…

  134. m2elena says:

    It was the perfect storm… of campaign cash, limousine liberals, wall street liberals, anti-American radicals, a dash of Marxism, a pinch of Personality Disorder, and Taa-Daaa!!

  135. Indycoltsfan says:

    i can only hope that he goes over the line and does something to get impeached. He thinks he is a dictator and can do anything. He will singlehandidly bring the democrat party down and some of them are beginning to realize that and are starting to go against him. He is rapidly losing support of his own party.

  136. m2elena says:

    You guys remember that debate after Congress approved funds for Tarp 1, when Jim Lehrer was the moderator. And he asked McCain, “How are you going to cut back in order to balance now that we have spent 350 billion for Tarp?” and McCain answered. And then Barack Obama gave an evasive answer where he didn’t commit to cutting back any programs (education, health) etc.

    And now here we are with 9 trillion projected, 4.7-ish trillion concretely spent, no re-haul in “education” or “healthcare” yet. And Social Security about to belly up. Yet Barack can’t name that wild card, b/c it will prove to Americans that Government programs Fail.

  137. billalmighty says:

    hi all

  138. Indycoltsfan says:

    These senators and congressman are going into cya mode right now especially the ones that are up for reelection in 2010

  139. billalmighty says:

    m2 i was wrong and you were right about the fairness doctrine…

    go ahead and enjoy that for a few minutes….

  140. billalmighty says:

    🙂

  141. rosehips says:

    I’ll tell you what I think about the alleged “strong armed tactics.” I will wait until evidence is presented and not rely on anonymous allegations that someone in the Obama admin threatened to defame them. That is wrong and I will wait to see how Obama reacts. I don’t think there is a leader alive in the “free” world that has complete control over what everyone in his or her admin says. To condemn a leader for actions is unfair. I think we need to judge our leaders by how they react to the indescretions of their underlings. To jump on an accusation that has not been proven sets you up for a dish of crow. But somehow that part of the story doesn’t ever get coverage.

    But strong arm tactics aside, the title of this post suggests that Obama is attacking retirees. That is deceiving. Let’s just call a spade a spade. Are we supposed to look at the work status of every investor before we decide to bail them out or not? Should the fact that I am unemployed be figured into any bailout that I will profit from? I think all investors should be treated equally. If you play the game, you should understand that some win, some lose.

    I am surprised that you are in favor of auto bailouts, even if in theory. Are you also in favor of bailing out banks and investment firms? credit card companies?

  142. m2elena says:

    yo Bill..
    Morning. It’s not about “wrong” and “right” -it is having a position that you believe in! I was just wondering what you believe in.

    bill says:
    m2 i was wrong and you were right about the fairness doctrine…

    go ahead and enjoy that for a few minutes….

  143. rosehips says:

    I meant to say that to condemn a leader for the actions of the people in his/her admin is unfair.

  144. VotingFemale says:

    I agree with you both. That is why I have been saying… Obama is the worst thing to happen to the Liberal Party in our life time and before.

    That the GOP’s best strategy is to let this guy self-destruct then run on the UnObama mantra and stick to basic conservationism and stay away from socially divisive issues such as abortion and gays during the coming elections.

    Pundits are predicting the Socialists will get stronger before they fall under their own weight… but their fall will be of their own doing… and the GOP will be there to bring the country back from the abyss of the runaway socialism damage caused by these radicals.

    m2elena says

    It was the perfect storm… of campaign cash, limousine liberals, wall street liberals, anti-American radicals, a dash of Marxism, a pinch of Personality Disorder, and Taa-Daaa!!

    Indycoltsfan says

    i can only hope that he goes over the line and does something to get impeached. He thinks he is a dictator and can do anything. He will singlehandidly bring the democrat party down and some of them are beginning to realize that and are starting to go against him. He is rapidly losing support of his own party.

  145. rosehips says:

    hi bill. are you ready for an ass-wiping? lol.

  146. m2elena says:

    ass wiping?

    dirty!

  147. rosehips says:

    sounds like a mantra to me. keep saying it and maybe you will be able to manifest it and back it up with proof. but please try to find something credible when you do. 😉

    indy said: He is rapidly losing support of his own party.

  148. rosehips says:

    lol m2. just trying to fit in here. teehee

  149. Foxwood says:

    Now that children can text in sex questions at school, will they be taught safe text?

  150. VotingFemale says:

    aww wiping? ewwww… was there an ‘h’ missing from the word wiping?? lol

    notice Rose never did address the real subject of this post and likely neither will any liberal… it is clear cut that it is a black eye on the liberal party.
    And like a wife in an abusive relationship… will deflect the truth about her husband and forgive his angry abusiveness.

  151. Indycoltsfan says:

    I think before long his own party will throw him under the bus just for their own survival. Then we will end up with plugs biden which I think is a moron but a better option than obama.

  152. rosehips says:

    ummm, did you miss this vf?

    rosehips // May 6, 2009 at 8:48 am

    I’ll tell you what I think about the alleged “strong armed tactics.” I will wait until evidence is presented and not rely on anonymous allegations that someone in the Obama admin threatened to defame them. That is wrong and I will wait to see how Obama reacts. I don’t think there is a leader alive in the “free” world that has complete control over what everyone in his or her admin says. To condemn a leader for actions is unfair. I think we need to judge our leaders by how they react to the indescretions of their underlings. To jump on an accusation that has not been proven sets you up for a dish of crow. But somehow that part of the story doesn’t ever get coverage.

    But strong arm tactics aside, the title of this post suggests that Obama is attacking retirees. That is deceiving. Let’s just call a spade a spade. Are we supposed to look at the work status of every investor before we decide to bail them out or not? Should the fact that I am unemployed be figured into any bailout that I will profit from? I think all investors should be treated equally. If you play the game, you should understand that some win, some lose.

    I am surprised that you are in favor of auto bailouts, even if in theory. Are you also in favor of bailing out banks and investment firms? credit card companies?

    vf said: notice Rose never did address the real subject of this post and likely neither will any liberal… it is clear cut that it is a black eye on the liberal party.
    And like a wife in an abusive relationship… will deflect the truth about her husband and forgive his angry abusiveness.

  153. Indycoltsfan says:

    VF, I have a theory and I want to know what you think. I believe his own party has the evidence that he is not a citizen and therefore not qualified to be president. If he gets too far out of control that information will magically appear and his presidency will be nuked.

  154. rosehips says:

    ahhh indy, not backtracking now are we? from “rapidly losing suport” to “before long his party will throw him under the bus”

    I see you saw vf’s comment on how the pundits are saying obama’s support will get stronger before it starts to deconstruct.

    So what are you saying indy?

  155. Foxwood says:

    Rose, I’m a little touchy in that area. I like wiping my own.

  156. Indycoltsfan says:

    rose, his support gets stronger? How?

  157. rosehips says:

    sorry I am feeling so vicious this morning. I uploaded an ireport about the delisting of wolves from the endangered species act. I am feeling a bit wolfish this morning and I hope no one takes too much offensive. Please feel free to give me everything you got. Shoot me!

  158. billalmighty says:

    m2 –

    to avoid further confusion –

    I am for predominantly conservative thinking

    I am against anything that feeds into liberal stereotypes of conservatives, and makes them less viable in elections….including rhetoric by guys like rush limbaugh and glen beck, sean hannity….those guys are defining the liberal’s stereotypes of conservatives. they are hepling the liberals win, i/m/o

    when I seem anti-conservative, it’s because I would like to see my conservative friends act like responsible, common sense leaders who are ready to win elections…..not go further down the road of separatism

    I’m not for obama and the liberals…I just don’t give them as much credit for being crafty masterminds that can brainwash everyone except you guys, and take over the country with some crazy socialist dictatorship

    does that satisfy “what I’m for” to you?

  159. rosehips says:

    indy, I have not said if his support is getting stronger. vf said the pundits are predicting that. I think his support is slowly getting chipped away but a majority of his supporters, although overcome with doubts, are withholding their misgivings until they see how things go….

  160. billalmighty says:

    and no rose….i take care of all my own ass wiping

    i do appreciate your concern, however 😉

  161. billalmighty says:

    hey VF –

    about your post here –

    those AIG execs had legal contracts to get their payouts in full, too

    are you ok with those guys?

  162. rosehips says:

    lol bill. I hope that none of us will stoop so low as to resort to that. You have to really incapacitate your adversaries to put them in a position that they can’t even wipe their own ass.

  163. m2elena says:

    I never needed to know what you were for. I don’t think rosehips is for the same ideas I have, and I respect her. I respect you regardless of what you are “for”.

    As far as the fairness doctrine, I formulated an opinion/stance based on prior ‘research’ and I believe you considered my opinion baseless and “conspiracy”… so I just wanted to know what you thought about the fairness doctrine. I think that forming a position on something based on research should not be dismissed as ‘baseless partisan conspiracy’… So. Ok, cool.

    You can be a Labour Party supporter living in the U.S. for all I care. I only care when someone dismisses my POV, without reason.

    🙂

    bill says:
    m2 –

    to avoid further confusion –

    I am for predominantly conservative thinking

    I am against anything that feeds into liberal stereotypes of conservatives, and makes them less viable in elections….including rhetoric by guys like rush limbaugh and glen beck, sean hannity….those guys are defining the liberal’s stereotypes of conservatives. they are hepling the liberals win, i/m/o

    when I seem anti-conservative, it’s because I would like to see my conservative friends act like responsible, common sense leaders who are ready to win elections…..not go further down the road of separatism

    I’m not for obama and the liberals…I just don’t give them as much credit for being crafty masterminds that can brainwash everyone except you guys, and take over the country with some crazy socialist dictatorship

    does that satisfy “what I’m for” to you?

  164. rosehips says:

    I agree with bill that the stereotyping of liberals by conservatives undermines the conservative agenda and will set them back instead of forward. Americans aren’t that dumb.

    bill said: I am against anything that feeds into liberal stereotypes of conservatives, and makes them less viable in elections….including rhetoric by guys like rush limbaugh and glen beck, sean hannity….those guys are defining the liberal’s stereotypes of conservatives. they are hepling the liberals win, i/m/o

  165. Indycoltsfan says:

    Rose ,the pundants are still on hopium. The reality of the situation is that this country is losing 600, 000 jobs a month and that equals 7.2 milllion jobs a year. The unemployment number of 8 percent is a lie because they don’t count you after you stop receiving benefits so I believe the real number is between 10 and 13 percent. The economy is not going to turn around anytime soon becasue obama and co are going to drive it into the ditch further. The people in this country are going to run out of patience and obama is going to run out of time.

  166. m2elena says:

    Then I am against Anderson Cooper, and reporters on CNN, and Campbell Brown, and James Carville, and Nancy Pelosi.

    Except, I’m not. Because you cannot eliminate the right of freedom of expression and speech and each interpretation is SUBJECTIVE.

    😉

    rosehips and bill say:
    I agree with bill that the stereotyping of liberals by conservatives undermines the conservative agenda and will set them back instead of forward. Americans aren’t that dumb.

    bill said: I am against anything that feeds into liberal stereotypes of conservatives, and makes them less viable in elections….including rhetoric by guys like rush limbaugh and glen beck, sean hannity….those guys are defining the liberal’s stereotypes of conservatives. they are hepling the liberals win, i/m/o

  167. billalmighty says:

    you seen to take the things i write about conservatives personally

    many of the topics in here are absolutely conspiracy theories that you are a participant in….if that means you think i dismiss your ideas or opinions when i refuse to buy into it….then i’d repeat i think you’re taking it too personally

    free thinking kicks ass

  168. VotingFemale says:

    I did miss that comment, Rose… and stand corrected for thinking you did not respond.

    Now… let me address your point. The companies who loaned money to Chyrsler have been labled by Barack Obama as “speculators” and he said “he would stand with them.” That is code for “he will stand against them.”

    This is an attack on these creditors… it is a character assassination and is a lie.

    These lenders are every day investors who, among other reasons are investing their hard earned money for their retirement managed by money market managers… so-called “hedge funds.”

    Obama has chosen to short change these people in favor of preferential treatment of the UAW who are also creditors of Chysler. Obama has set it up so the UAW Gets 50 Cents on the Dollar and these other creditors get 30 Cents on the Dollar. And these other creditors are at the front of the line, under the law, to get 50 Cents on the Dollar. Obama has painted a false picture that the creditors he attacks were holding out for 100 Cents on the dollar and were not willing to “share the pain.” That was a bald faced lie.
    They agreed to 50 Cents on the Dollar just like the UAW did… and Obama is forcing them to eat a 20% greater loss than the UAW creditors.

    And Obama is capitalizing on the complexity of this situation to gain public support… you yourself said you didn’t understand it but by default you give Obama a pass prior to our discussion.

    That you are willing to spend the time to better understand the situation is to your credit.

    Obama’s behavior sends a chilling effect through out the investment community… and likely makes investors not even want to invest in any company coming under the Control of Obama.

    And for the record… President Reagan “bailed out Chrysler” back in the 1979. And he did not get up their ass as a price for that bailout.
    Reagan let the free market system do what it does… and Lido Anthony “Lee” Iacocca, the CEO of Chrysler at the time, paid back every cent borrowed from the US Tax Payers.

    from Wiki FWTW:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Iacocca

    1979 Auto Bailout

    Realizing that the company would go out of business if it did not receive a significant amount of money to turn the company around, Iacocca approached the United States Congress in 1979 and asked for a loan guarantee. While some have said that Congress lent Chrysler the money, the government, in fact, only guaranteed the loans. Most observers thought this was an unprecedented move, but Iacocca pointed to the government bailouts of the airline and railroad industries, arguing that more jobs were at stake in Chrysler’s possible demise. In the end, though the decision was controversial, Iacocca received the loan guarantee from the government.

    After receiving this reprieve, Chrysler released the first of the K-Car line, the Dodge Aries and Plymouth Reliant, in 1981. Like the minivan which would come later, these compact automobiles were based on design proposals that Ford had rejected during Iacocca’s (and Sperlich’s) tenure there. Since they were released in the middle of the major 1980-1982 recession, these small, efficient and inexpensive, front-wheel drive cars sold rapidly.

    Chrysler introduced the minivan, which was by and large Sperlich’s “baby,” in the fall of 1983, which led the automobile industry in sales for 25 years[3] Because of the K-cars and minivans, along with the reforms Iacocca implemented, the company turned around quickly and was able to repay the government-backed loans seven years earlier than expected.

    Iacocca was also responsible for Chrysler’s acquisition of AMC in 1987, which brought the profitable Jeep division under Chrysler’s corporate umbrella. It also created the short-lived Eagle division, formed from the remnants of AMC. By this time, AMC had already finished most of the work with the Jeep Grand Cherokee, which Iacocca desperately wanted. The Grand Cherokee would not be released until 1992 for the 1993 model year, the same year that Iacocca retired.

    Throughout the 1980s, Iacocca appeared in a series of commercials for the company’s vehicles, using the ad campaign “The pride is back” to denote the turnaround of the corporation, while also telling buyers a phrase that later became his trademark: “If you can find a better car, buy it.”

    Rosehips wrote: But strong arm tactics aside, the title of this post suggests that Obama is attacking retirees. That is deceiving. Let’s just call a spade a spade. Are we supposed to look at the work status of every investor before we decide to bail them out or not? Should the fact that I am unemployed be figured into any bailout that I will profit from? I think all investors should be treated equally. If you play the game, you should understand that some win, some lose.

  169. billalmighty says:

    i don’t care how the liberal media embarrasses itself, and neither should you

    in fact, you should thank them for it

  170. m2elena says:

    is this for me?
    I don’t take anything personal! LOL!!! You can ask anyone here!!

    ha ha.
    And I don’t agree with your assertions of what you say is conspiracy theory. My interpretation is different. We all don’t look through the world through they eyes of bill. LOL…. ha ha

    Bill says: you seen to take the things i write about conservatives personally

    many of the topics in here are absolutely conspiracy theories that you are a participant in….if that means you think i dismiss your ideas or opinions when i refuse to buy into it….then i’d repeat i think you’re taking it too personally

    free thinking kicks ass

  171. m2elena says:

    I don’t thank the liberal media for destroying the purpose of the watchdog press.

    Now wee elena will have to pay 114k in interest alone on Obama’s concrete spending. I just think it’s rich that people rag on conservative pundits, when there are pundits pretending to be non-objective reporters… lol.

  172. VotingFemale says:

    You make a flat statement to look like a fact…

    It is an allegation, and thus you continue with your strategy of ad hominim

    arguments based on false premises.

    billalmighty says

    many of the topics in here are absolutely conspiracy theorie

  173. rosehips says:

    hedge funds are for wealthy speculators. I don’t think it matters if they are working, lazy, retired, or infirm. They are speculators and they are high risk investors looking for big returns. Am I wrong?

    from wiki: Hedge funds are typically open only to a limited range of professional or wealthy investors. This provides them with an exemption in many jurisdictions from regulations governing short selling, derivative contracts, leverage, fee structures and the liquidity of interests in the fund. A hedge fund will typically commit itself to a particular investment strategy, investment types and leverage levels via statements in its offering documentation, thereby giving investors some indication of the nature of the fund.

  174. billalmighty says:

    vf said
    Obama has chosen to short change these people in favor of preferential treatment of the UAW who are also creditors of Chysler. Obama has set it up so the UAW Gets 50 Cents on the Dollar and these other creditors get 30 Cents on the Dollar. And these other creditors are at the front of the line, under the law, to get 50 Cents on the Dollar. Obama has painted a false picture that the creditors he attacks were holding out for 100 Cents on the dollar and were not willing to “share the pain.” That was a bald faced lie.
    They agreed to 50 Cents on the Dollar just like the UAW did… and Obama is forcing them to eat a 20% greater loss than the UAW creditors.

    the UAW are not just investors and have a much larger interest in the deal than the few hedge fund holdouts who only invested money, and have already enjoyed some handsome rewards off that investment…and now are being offered their original investment back….even in the face of an economic collapse

    and it wasn’t enough for them……

    so here we are 🙂

  175. VotingFemale says:

    Back up your statement with fact… you are wrong in your statement of a supposed “fact”

    it is bull crap and does not hold water…

    You just got challenged to back up your assertion characterized as “fact”

    rosehips says

    hedge funds are for wealthy speculators.

  176. m2elena says:

    It’s of my opinion we would not be at this point if the UAW had made reasonable concessions over the past decade or more. They squeezed American Auto to it’s death.

    So therefore. I blame the UAW.

  177. m2elena says:

    VF, I thought class-envy was based in fact! LOL …

    just harmless jabbin’ rosehips. 😛

  178. billalmighty says:

    on conspiracy theories

    ok my centrists in denial

    even sean hannity himself admits to conspiracies…

    does the truth hurt?

  179. m2elena says:

    Eh furthermore, what is the difference between big corporate and UAW? There isn’t except one group went to Vegas for conventions and one group went to a posh resort in Florida. They’ve swapped one elitist group who believe they deserve special treatment for another one.

  180. m2elena says:

    where’s the truth? I just see half-baked stereotyping and opinion? LOL!!

    bill says: on conspiracy theories

    ok my centrists in denial

    even sean hannity himself admits to conspiracies…

    does the truth hurt?

  181. billalmighty says:

    those AIG execs had legal contracts to get their payouts in full, too

    are you all ok with those guys?

  182. rosehips says:

    lol m2. I want and therefore I am.

    vf, I backed up my statement with wiki, because, as you know (see your above citation) wiki is the easiest source to find info….I will now have to go and research hedge funds to disprove your above statement:
    vf said: These lenders are every day investors who, among other reasons are investing their hard earned money for their retirement managed by money market managers… so-called “hedge funds.”

    I didn’t notice you citing a source for this “fact”…

  183. m2elena says:

    I am.
    🙂

    When they use taxpayer money, I’m not for lavish trips. Though, Chris Dodd, I’m all for his stepping down and answering to his crooked enabling.

  184. billalmighty says:

    like i said…i would like my conservative friends to rise above the high school crap and try to influence voters to support conservative candidates.

    i didn’t ask for a non-issue pissing contest this morning

  185. m2elena says:

    So bill are you okay with the UAW never having to make one sacrifice?

  186. m2elena says:

    we don’t know you friends so that doesn’t mean much to us.

  187. rosehips says:

    from Forbes “Ivestopedia”
    “Legally, hedge funds are most often set up as private investment partnerships that are open to a limited number of investors and require a very large initial minimum investment. Investments in hedge funds are illiquid as they often require investors keep their money in the fund for at least one year. ”
    http://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hedgefund.asp

  188. billalmighty says:

    that statement is false

  189. billalmighty says:

    ok

    save the kiddie shit for ireport ok?

    i was speaking about you, as one of my friends…

    my mistake

  190. m2elena says:

    what?

    bill says: that statement is false

  191. rosehips says:

    so vf, how did you come to conclude that hedge fund investors are “every day investors who, among other reasons are investing their hard earned money for their retirement managed by money market managers… so-called “hedge funds.”
    Sorry, but I think you just got served….

  192. VotingFemale says:

    It does not matter who the UAW is… bankruptsy law is the law… and it is illegal for the president to pick some investors to strong arm and give a pass to other investors.

    The free market system works because of laws… and feel good ideology does not get a pass to break the law… this is the same old tired “entitlement bull crap” excuses to get around the law and in the case of liberal judges to “make policy/legislate from the bench” the left is famous for. It is what Obama is trying to do with the Presidency and is what Judge Sonya Sotomayor, a likely Obama Supreme Court Nominee likes to do.

    case in point:

    billalmighty says

    the UAW are not just investors and have a much larger interest in the deal than the few hedge fund holdouts who only invested money, and have already enjoyed some handsome rewards off that investment…and now are being offered their original investment back….even in the face of an economic collapse

    and it wasn’t enough for them……

    so here we are 🙂

  193. Indycoltsfan says:

    The UAW owning over 50 percent of chysler is the kiss of death for that company. Stick a fork in it. It’s done

  194. billalmighty says:

    m2 said
    So bill are you okay with the UAW never having to make one sacrifice?

    bill said
    that statement is false

  195. m2elena says:

    I think the point is, in private business you don’t have the government come in and tell you what to do or not do. Unless that gov’t is over-stepping their power balance.

  196. m2elena says:

    Has the UAW sacrificed during the bailouts for the American Auto?

  197. m2elena says:

    tell me their sacrifices bill.

  198. billalmighty says:

    m2 said

    Has the UAW sacrificed during the bailouts for the American Auto?

    yes. many have lost their jobs and life savings trying to survive.

  199. Indycoltsfan says:

    The UAW has helped contribute to chyrslers demise and now you have the fox guarding the henhouse with their part ownership of it.

  200. m2elena says:

    Then why are we picking up the tab for their lifetime healthcare and retirement packages?

  201. billalmighty says:

    and wait a second…how is the UAW a villain and these hedge fund guys aren’t?

    they both are hold out to an extent, huh?

    this is about partisanship and nothing else

  202. Indycoltsfan says:

    I don’t know how ford is able to survive with the uaw’s noose around it’s neck.

  203. billalmighty says:

    m2

    that’s another one of those legal contracts

  204. m2elena says:

    If the UAW had changed what Auto could reasonably support decades ago, we would not be in this position.

    Which is undoubtedly, Marxist. A nationalized industry run by union/gov’t, and not free market.

  205. m2elena says:

    Wow bill I’m glad we agree. Not really, cause I don’t care if we agree… LOL.

    m2elena // May 6, 2009 at 9:27 am

    Eh furthermore, what is the difference between big corporate and UAW? There isn’t except one group went to Vegas for conventions and one group went to a posh resort in Florida. They’ve swapped one elitist group who believe they deserve special treatment for another one.

  206. Indycoltsfan says:

    You know whoever Obama picks for the supreme court is going to be an ultra leftist. That is a given.

  207. rosehips says:

    I believe the UAW has already made significant concession but they need to make significantly more. We need to hold Obama’s feet to the fire and should not allow autoworkers to be left unscathed. I sincerely doubt they will. There are plenty of people in our country who would do just about anything for a job that pays $15-20/hr with health care benefits. I don’t think pensions should be guaranteed. Maybe the auto industry should go into the business of providing retirement homes for aging auto workers. I think the rec room could have a nascar theme and there could be hot wheels and model kits for them to play with. Forget about lounging on a Florida beach after 30 years of work. That type of bennie needs to be relegated to the history books under the catagory “American Follies of the 20th Century”

  208. billalmighty says:

    m2 said

    If the UAW had changed what Auto could reasonably support decades ago, we would not be in this position.

    Which is undoubtedly, Marxist. A nationalized industry run by union/gov’t, and not free market.

    ok

    not sure what we agreed about either, but ok to that too

  209. m2elena says:

    I take it you mean big corporate and big union?
    Which I’ve heard you blast big corporate eleventy-seven billion times in the past 2 days-
    🙂

    m2elena // May 6, 2009 at 9:27 am

    Eh furthermore, what is the difference between big corporate and UAW? There isn’t except one group went to Vegas for conventions and one group went to a posh resort in Florida. They’ve swapped one elitist group who believe they deserve special treatment for another one.

    billalmighty // May 6, 2009 at 9:40 am

    and wait a second…how is the UAW a villain and these hedge fund guys aren’t?

  210. VotingFemale says:

    There is a mixing of apples and oranges here.
    In the matter of investors, it matters not who or what the UAW is or does for a living nor does it have anything to do with their behavior as a labor union. That is a separate thing all together from the matter of Chrysler Creditors.

    That the UAW is in part responsible for the problems of Chrysler which has brought the company to bankruptcy is not a topic of this post and is deflection to discuss it and I ask that not be done. Save it for a discussion of UAW as a union… not as an investor.

    billalmighty says

    and wait a second…how is the UAW a villain and these hedge fund guys aren’t?

    they both are hold out to an extent, huh?

    this is about partisanship and nothing else

  211. m2elena says:

    I stand by this comment too. I believe we would not be at this level of nationalization and gov’t intervention/tyranny (obvious tyranny) if they renegotiated their un-sustainable contracts decade(s) ago.

    I say: If the UAW had changed what Auto could reasonably support decades ago, we would not be in this position.

    Which is undoubtedly, Marxist. A nationalized industry run by union/gov’t, and not free market.

  212. m2elena says:

    VF, I agree.

  213. rosehips says:

    The gov’t should just lay off bailing out companies and let nature take its course, as the conservatives would like it. The resulting unemployment cannot be ignored by the gov’t however. That would be cruel and inhumane. But let companies go into bankruptcy and then renegotiate contracts. Screw the unions if they are unreasonable. Let’s bring rational decisions into the negotiation. We need to protect workers from exploitation and unfair labor practices. This can be regulated without requiring labor contracts. Just make it the law to treat labor fairly and let the markets do the rest.
    I’ve only been in a union once and I made an insane amount of money for the work that I did. It was in the kitchen a nursing home, totally unskilled labor. I was 19 yrs old and making $4.50/hr (in 1976) and on holidays I made $11/hr. No wonder nursing homes are so expensive! geesh.

  214. billalmighty says:

    m2

    the comparison in question isn’t uaw and corporate america

    it’s hedge fund investors and uaw

    not sure what point you’re making here

    everyone needs to behave better and should have decades ago

    the idea that the hedge fund investors are “victims” of obama, the uaw, or anyone else is bullshit.

    i/m/o

  215. billalmighty says:

    oh no….

    the “v” word

  216. m2elena says:

    I didn’t say they were victims.
    The point that VF is making is the law is being ignored in order to appease gov’t/union marxism and nationalistic control.

    What is so hard to grasp about that? It’s called tyranny which is what the law serves to protect from.

    victims… ha ha ha ha ha…

  217. m2elena says:

    yep bill, you must have a special relationship with the word victim! Ha ha!!!

  218. billalmighty says:

    m2 said
    The point that VF is making is the law is being ignored in order to appease gov’t/union marxism and nationalistic control.

    What is so hard to grasp about that? It’s called tyranny which is what the law serves to protect from.

    well, i’d say that’s a centrist’s reasoning and perspective, i guess

    what is being suggested however is more of the same with different beneficiaries

    i’m not a centrist

  219. VotingFemale says:

    I want to make a point about myself…

    I enjoy debating. That is a given.

    I do not wish to win a debate that I should not win via tactics which are not based on facts… real facts… not bull crap.

    Thus, if a view of mine is proven to be in factual error that I can confirm I win a gain in knowledge and will thank my debate opponent.

    that is why I discourage folks from running with assertions and baseless information and assumptions and presenting them as facts… you are rightfully going to get your butt handed to you… I will do the work and if you are not willing to do the work… you don’t stand much of a chance of prevailing in a debate.

    An argument of opinions is different… opinions are opinions.

    I am of the opinion that Obama is a white hating racist thus I look for factual substantiation to prove it factually.

    I believe OJ Simpson killed his wife… it was not proven to be a fact to the jury and the jury found him not guilty in a legal court of law.

    That is how it goes… but that bastard now sits in a prison cell today… because he was factually proven to have broken a set of laws to a new jury in a different case.

    That is how it goes…

    Ideological Vigilantism is type of anarchy, in my view, and must be answered with rule of law.

  220. Foxwood says:

    Bill wrote:
    “those AIG execs had legal contracts to get their payouts in full, too

    are you all ok with those guys?”

    Yes.

  221. m2elena says:

    I’m not interested in labeling every position. It’s a waste of TIME! 😀

    In my humblest of humble opinions of course.

  222. billalmighty says:

    lol

  223. billalmighty says:

    did i miss something?

  224. VotingFemale says:

    I agree with you Foxwood. I dont like that these execs were legally given these bonuses but the rule of law must stand. It was legal.
    that is how it goes…

    OJ Simpson was found not guilty of murder of Nicole Simpson…

    that is the process of the law.. and that is how it goes.

    Foxwood says

    Bill wrote:
    “those AIG execs had legal contracts to get their payouts in full, too

    are you all ok with those guys?”

    Yes.

  225. Foxwood says:

    Rose said:
    “The gov’t should just lay off bailing out companies and let nature take its course, as the conservatives would like it. The resulting unemployment cannot be ignored by the gov’t however. That would be cruel and inhumane. But let companies go into bankruptcy and then renegotiate contracts. Screw the unions if they are unreasonable. Let’s bring rational decisions into the negotiation. We need to protect workers from exploitation and unfair labor practices. This can be regulated without requiring labor contracts. Just make it the law to treat labor fairly and let the markets do the rest.
    I’ve only been in a union once and I made an insane amount of money for the work that I did. It was in the kitchen a nursing home, totally unskilled labor. I was 19 yrs old and making $4.50/hr (in 1976) and on holidays I made $11/hr. No wonder nursing homes are so expensive! geesh.”

    OMG! I agree with Rose!

  226. m2elena says:

    VF a constitutional republic saves us from a democracy of mob rule! or so it – used to… 😐

    and now we have a federal judiciary rumored nominee yakking about the policy she makes from the bench. The erosion of freedom based on law continues!

  227. billalmighty says:

    ok, so the aig exec’s and the hedge fund guy’s contracts should be honored and paid in full

    but the uaw’s contracts shouldn’t?

    why? i’m trying to grasp the concept here

  228. billalmighty says:

    is it really the rule of law we’re talking about here?

  229. billalmighty says:

    is one legal contract more valid than another?

  230. rosehips says:

    So vf, do you concede that the statement you made about hedge funds is not based on facts?

    vf said: These lenders are every day investors who, among other reasons are investing their hard earned money for their retirement managed by money market managers… so-called “hedge funds.”

    vf said: Thus, if a view of mine is proven to be in factual error that I can confirm I win a gain in knowledge and will thank my debate opponent.

  231. m2elena says:

    are hedge fund investor “contracts”?
    Contracts can be re-negotiated.

    It is a pointless argument. The government is wrong. Why didn’t the auto honor their ‘contract’ figuratively with the American People though billions of bailout dollars.

    No gov’t tyranny. It is not right.

  232. Foxwood says:

    There is a rule of law, and Obama thinks he is above it. Not even mentioning that he believes we are stupid enough to not understand it.

    I can see how he wants control of college loans. You give them to mailable students, so the country continues to go the “Progressive” direction.

  233. rosehips says:

    lol foxy. next we’ll be calling you a liberal, oh my!

    foxwood said: OMG! I agree with Rose!

  234. VotingFemale says:

    There is some merit in the laissez-faire approach of which you speak but it is not an appropriate approach to be applied mindlessly in all circumstances.

    I have already explained that President Reagan bailed out Chysler in 1979 and it was a decision of consideration of laissez-faire and applying an appropriate helping hand in an appropriate way.

    That you characterize “Conservatives as being totally laissez-faire minded is Bull Crap, Rose.

    Often things like this boils down the the choice of the lesser of evils. And Reagan bailed out Chrysler and it worked out to the benefit of all.

    rosehips says

    The gov’t should just lay off bailing out companies and let nature take its course, as the conservatives would like it. The resulting unemployment cannot be ignored by the gov’t however. That would be cruel and inhumane. But let companies go into bankruptcy and then renegotiate contracts. Screw the unions if they are unreasonable. Let’s bring rational decisions into the negotiation. We need to protect workers from exploitation and unfair labor practices. This can be regulated without requiring labor contracts. Just make it the law to treat labor fairly and let the markets do the rest.
    I’ve only been in a union once and I made an insane amount of money for the work that I did. It was in the kitchen a nursing home, totally unskilled labor. I was 19 yrs old and making $4.50/hr (in 1976) and on holidays I made $11/hr. No wonder nursing homes are so expensive! geesh.

  235. VotingFemale says:

    If anyone is unfamiliar with the term, Laissez-faire, wiki has a decent write up on it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire

  236. Foxwood says:

    Bill,

    In truth, if AIG would have gone bankrupt, as they should have, the bonuses should have been nulled.

    The hedge fund guys are a different story… as VF said, they were first in line to get the liquidated fund, but Obama broke law by ignoring the law and favoring the UAW.

  237. rosehips says:

    I say give the creepy aig execs their bonuses. But Chrysler is bankrupt and the hedge fund investors lost. done deal. They can whine all they want but I don’t believe they have a legal standing to get what they want. They should take what they are given and be glad that they didn’t pay full price for their investements. Boo Hoo Hoo to hedge fund investors. Your greed put you in this position. You could have taken 29 cents on your 30 cent investment. I hope you get what you deserve…which in my opinion is not what you are hoping for. I will not lose sleep over your losses. There are a lot of other Americans who deserve my pity.

  238. Indycoltsfan says:

    The difference between chrysler then and chrysler now was lee iaccoca. He turned the company around with his grand vision of selling cars that the public actually needed during the 80’s recession. The government loaned the money to chrysler then and is they just gave chysler money this time.

  239. Foxwood says:

    Rose said:
    “next we’ll be calling you a liberal,”

    Way back when conservatives were liberal before the bastardization of the word. Hence the term libertarian.

  240. m2elena says:

    exactly.

    foxwood said:
    Bill,

    In truth, if AIG would have gone bankrupt, as they should have, the bonuses should have been nulled.

    The hedge fund guys are a different story… as VF said, they were first in line to get the liquidated fund, but Obama broke law by ignoring the law and favoring the UAW.

  241. Foxwood says:

    I don’t think your getting it Rose. The hedge fund investors were first in line to get liquidated assets after the bankruptcy. Obama forced them to take less. It unlawful and tyranny.

  242. rosehips says:

    vf, I stand corrected. Not all conservatives espouse “laissez-faire” trickle down economics. But it seems that is the predominant opinion I have encountered here and on ireports is that we should not bail out any companies, we should not spend money to create jobs, tax less and let corporate america fix our problems. It might work during good times, but it hasn’t proven to be failsafe. It’s not perfect and I think it shouldn’t be depended on to fix our economy. I think it has proven to be too vulnerable to corruption and greed and exploitation of the environment. Too many business decisions are made with only profits in mind. What measures are in place to make corporations responsible for their actions? Not enough, imo.

  243. rosehips says:

    foxy, I THOUGHT we established that once they are bankrupt they don’t have legal protection for their contracts. Am I missing something or are you?

  244. rosehips says:

    I believe their contracts guaranteed them assets before bankruptcy, not after. How can they promise anything after they go bankrupt. Um, I don’t think they get to call the shots when that happens. Do they????

  245. billalmighty says:

    fox –

    ok, i’m following that…

    so the debate is whether obama did this for personal gain, to help his big supporter the uaw

    or because it made the most financial sense for all the parties involved, according to the best advice he’s been given

    i guess it comes down to one’s opinion of obama as to whether it’s number one or two, although anyone who knows politics would suspect the first

    now, contracts do get broken and renegotiated every day

    obviously there’s a whole bunch of contracts in the private sector that aren’t going to be honored anymore. what do we do about all of those?

  246. Foxwood says:

    You can’t break the law because you don’t like the law. there are provisions in the Constitution, but the Obama administration says hell with the Constitution. It’s in the way.

  247. rosehips says:

    foxy, you are contradicting yourself. Why would AIG execs contracts be nullified after bankruptcy but hedge fund investors still have legal standing after Chrysler declared bankruptcy. Can you please explain this double standard to me. Pretend I am an 8th grader….

  248. m2elena says:

    aye foxwood. The exact words are the Constitution is ‘fundamentally flawed’…

    it is his way.

  249. Foxwood says:

    Rose said:
    “foxy, I THOUGHT we established that once they are bankrupt they don’t have legal protection for their contracts. Am I missing something or are you?”

    It’s not the contract I’m talking about. It’s bankruptcy law.

  250. rosehips says:

    So foxy, then you must be one who condemns the use of waterboarding by the Bush admin., correct?

  251. Indycoltsfan says:

    foxwood, It’s not just obama. Many politicians ignore the constitution also.

  252. VotingFemale says:

    I read the book Lee Iacocca wrote titled “Iacocca: An Autobiography” cover to cover.

    And it was a serious eye opener into corporate America… the screw-ups and the triumphs.

    Every Liberal should read it, in my opinion, instead of relying on partisan mumbo jumbo about corporate America that is laced with bull crap and propaganda.

    Corporate America has villians and heros…
    sort it out… Corporate America, like government, needs rules by which to do their thing… and corporations, in general, which are mismanaged deserve their inevitable fate… just like politicians and political parties managed by politicians who mismanage.

    And… that equally applies to all politicians and corporation leaders.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iacocca:_An_Autobiography

  253. rosehips says:

    ok, it’s beginning to get a little clearer. I don’t know a lot about bankruptcy law, but apparently you do foxy.
    So how is it Obama plans to break the law? Can you cite credible sources for this illegal plan, please?

  254. Foxwood says:

    There is a difference in contractual agreements and bankruptcy law. It’s not a double standard.

  255. Foxwood says:

    Rose said:
    “ok, it’s beginning to get a little clearer. I don’t know a lot about bankruptcy law, but apparently you do foxy.
    So how is it Obama plans to break the law? Can you cite credible sources for this illegal plan, please?”

    Not at the moment (at work). Look at any conservative conspiracy blog, you’ll find the answer. 😉

  256. Foxwood says:

    If I gave you Fox news would you believe it, Rose?

  257. Foxwood says:

    Got to get busy. I’ll get you something by lunch. BBL.

  258. billalmighty says:

    did everyone bail out?

  259. VotingFemale says:

    The mechanics are very complicated, I grant you that. And judging everything said by all Conservative iReporters as “The Conservative Party” is not reasonable either. They are not party leaders and many of them state opinions.

    I have found many conservative iReporters, not all, tend to do their homework to a greater degree than do the majority of Liberal iReporters… but some Liberal iReporters do do their homework… BXL was one of them.

    There is a difference between pork barrel spending on pork barrel limited duration projects “to make work” as opposed to government investments on such things as research grants to stimulate new sources of business that companies can enter to ..so that “for profit” businesses will hire employees… where both employees and companies pay taxes based on income not otherwise earned.

    Case in point:

    Al Gore saw the merit of providing a government grant to stimulate research which would in turn stimulate entrapranures to start companies doing business in ways never done before.

    What was that business? The internet.
    Gore did not invent the internet… but he took too much direct credit for it… but it is true he headed a congressional panel which granted seed money which did lead to the internet commercial boom.

    That!!! Is government correctly spending money to help companies create jobs.

    rosehips says

    vf, I stand corrected. Not all conservatives espouse “laissez-faire” trickle down economics. But it seems that is the predominant opinion I have encountered here and on ireports is that we should not bail out any companies, we should not spend money to create jobs, tax less and let corporate america fix our problems.

  260. billalmighty says:

    VF said –

    You make a flat statement to look like a fact…

    It is an allegation, and thus you continue with your strategy of ad hominim

    arguments based on false premises.

    billalmighty says

    many of the topics in here are absolutely conspiracy theorie

    WTF does THIS mean?

  261. billalmighty says:

    was that comment about debate you posted for me?

  262. billalmighty says:

    ditto

  263. Indycoltsfan says:

    Here ya go guys and gals read this bulldoogey.

    Banks returning bailouts will face conditions
    Banks must shed FDIC guarantees if they want to return bailout funds
    Jim Kuhnhenn, Associated Press Writer
    On Wednesday May 6, 2009, 7:36 am EDT
    Buzz up! Print WASHINGTON (AP) — Banks that want to pay back their federal bailout funds and free themselves from government restrictions on compensation and dividends will have to sever their ties to another financial assistance program.

    Financial firms eager to return infusions from the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program will have to demonstrate that they can operate without debt guarantees provided by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., a senior government official said Tuesday. The FDIC program allows financial institutions to borrow money at lower costs.

    The new requirement will make it harder for some institutions to get out from under government rules attached to the bailouts, another shift in a changing landscape for banks. It also illustrates the government’s desire not to have banks abandon the bailout program if they are not financially prepared to do so.

    The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the standards have not been made public. The Treasury and the Federal Reserve are expected to issue TARP repayment guidelines on Wednesday, a response to banks that want to get out from under bailout conditions. The change was first reported Tuesday evening by The Wall Street Journal.

    By linking the two programs, the government could motivate banks to cut themselves off from the various assistance programs that it put in place to unclog credit and free up lending in the midst of the financial crisis.

    The bailout program has been unpopular in Congress and prompted a new round of conditions earlier this year following news reports about lavish spending on perks, retreats and corporate planes.

    Initially, the government required banks that wanted to repay early to raise money from the private sector. Then Congress eased that rule but attached greater restrictions on the government funds. Among the rules restricting banks were conditions on employee compensation, bonuses and dividend payouts. Congress also required the Treasury to review previous compensation payments.

    The FDIC debt guarantee, meanwhile, has proven to be popular with some banks as a way to increase liquidity and does not impose the same restrictions as TARP. So far, banks have issued more than $330 billion under the program, which the FDIC launched in October to help financial institutions finance themselves and make loans.

    “It throws a hurdle as far as the banks repaying TARP,” Scott Talbott, a senior lobbyist for the Financial Services Roundtable, a bank industry group, said of the new condition.

    Banks have become increasingly wary of the bailout funds, chafing at the restrictions and worried that acceptance of the money somehow tagged them as troubled institutions. As a result, a handful of banks have returned a small amount of money and bigger institutions have indicated a desire to repay.

    Banking industry consultant Bert Ely said requiring banks to first show an ability to operate without the FDIC guarantees does complicate their payback of TARP money. But he said it also demonstrates a change in the Federal Reserve’s and the Treasury’s approach to TARP.

    “A couple of weeks ago it was, ‘Oh, we don’t know if want to let you repay,'” he said. “There’s been a reversal of position here as far as I’m concerned. It will be interesting to see how fast banks move in that direction.”

    The Federal Reserve and the Treasury are expected to announce the new payback standards just ahead of Thursday’s planned release of the results of “stress tests” on the country’s top 19 financial institution.

    The tests gauged the ability of the banks to weather an even deeper economic crisis than the country currently faces. Several of the 19 banks will be asked to seek additional capital.

    Those banks will have six months to raise money from private investors, sell off assets or tap what remains of the $700 billion TARP.

  264. VotingFemale says:

    You just made a generalized judgment statement stated as a “fact.”

    Either prove the statement to be factual or be disregarded as another opinionated blow hard full of bull crap, dear.

    …or rephrase it to say…

    “In my opinion, many of the topics in here are absolutely conspiracy theories.”

    You are welcome to your opinions… just don’t try to pass them off as facts without factually backing up such statements.

    Bill says

    many of the topics in here are absolutely conspiracy theories

  265. billalmighty says:

    what part of that statement are you choosing to accuse me of asserting as fact?

    when i say, there are conspiracy theories being discussed in here as a response to an admitted right winger’s denial of it, do i have to qualify that as opinion or fact?

    when the fuck did that rule start?

    scroll up…there’s a whole bunch of opinions flying that aren’t being called out on the table like this

    dunno what i said that got to you, but i’ll just drop it

  266. VotingFemale says:

    Bill?

    If you read what I write… you will observe me constantly attempting to separate my opinions from things I am prepared to back up with referenced facts.

    I use such phrases as…

    In my view…
    In my opinion…
    To me…
    The way I see it…
    As I understand…

    and other such qualifying phrases…

    I work hard NOT to voice my opinions as facts… and will thank anyone who catches me doing that and rightfully calls me on it… feel free to nail me on it if you catch me doing that… and I will happily return the favor when I catch you doing it.

  267. VotingFemale says:

    And I also suggest… any of us, me included, who let slip, their anger puts themselves at a disadvantage. Anger is an emotion… and not rational thinking.

    We all get angry… we are all human… but no one dominates with anger in a debate… it is a sign of a loss of self-control.

    I happen to be an expert at button pushing… and often will do it to make an opponent go postal… thus lose a debate.

    You are fairly warned of this… so word to the wise, dear.

    I want and enjoy you having differences of views… it stimulating and good to get all sides of an issue out in the open.

    Otherwise I would limit this blog to only be commented by people whom I routinely agree.

    To do that would be counter productive, in my opinion.

  268. Indycoltsfan says:

    No Problem here VF, I am usually in 100 percent agreement with everything you comment on. LOL!

  269. Indycoltsfan says:

    Come on VF, Lets bring in the Itrolls and lets have a slugfest. I haven’t had a good fight in awhile and I don’t want my skills to get rusty. LOL!

  270. Indycoltsfan says:

    This will give you a good laugh guys.

    Senate strips Specter of seniority after party switch
    Posted: 11:17 AM ET

    Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter has lost his seniority on Senate committees after recently switching parties.
    WASHINGTON (CNN) — Arlen Specter was in the driver’s seat when the Senate Judiciary Committee grilled the two newest Supreme Court justices back in 2005, but the Pennsylvania senator won’t be front and center next time.

    Specter jumped from the Republican party to the Democratic party last week, putting the Democrats within reach of a 60-seat “supermajority” that could make it all but impossible for Republicans to block Democratic legislation.

    On Tuesday the Senate confirmed that the party switch dropped him to the bottom of the heap in terms of seniority.

    That means he will be the very last to speak when the Judiciary Committee questions President Barack Obama’s yet-to-be-named nominee to replace Justice
    David Souter — after even Sen. Ted Kaufman of Delaware, who has been a senator for all of four months.

    In fact, only two of the 18 other senators on the committee have been in the upper house longer than Specter — and he has been in the Senate longer than seven other committee members put together.

    But there is more at stake than Specter’s ego or bragging rights.

    The old saw “rank hath its privileges” holds true in the U.S. Senate as in few other places. With seniority comes the ability to influence legislation.

    Specter lost his seniority on other committees as well, including the powerful Appropriations Committee — the one that doles out money. He’s now junior to Montana’s Sen. Jon Tester, who has been in the Senate since 2007.

    Specter has been citing his seniority on the Appropriations Committee as he hits the campaign trail as a Democrat.

    “My senior position on appropriations has enabled me to bring a lot of jobs and a lot of federal funding to this state,” Specter said at a town hall meeting on Monday.

    Over and over, he made a point of telling an auditorium filled with medical faculty and staff about the hundreds of millions of dollars he delivered to the Keystone State, thanks to the power he’s accumulated in his 29 years in the Senate.

    “Pennsylvania has a big interest in my seniority, a big interest,” he said.

    A day later, the Senate has stripped him of that seniority. The resolution, which set out committee assignments for the entire Senate, was approved on a unanimous voice vote.

  271. VotingFemale says:

    While spanking postal iTrolls can be fun… it is a humorous diversion and not why I choose to blog. That they go postal and make it personal makes them losers. I often tried to get some of them to get off that track… and some of them did get off it. one of them was nan00… who at one time threatened me physically… but that was because of her anger and she later apologized for it. We found a way to agree to disagree… and to me that is far more productive than simple button pushing of Trolls who are too simple minded to debate.

    Now, rosehips will tell you… I admire the art of artful sarcasm! And there is a difference between that and personal attacks.

    Another thing the iTrolls never seemed to grasp… there is a difference between calling Obama a name… like DUMBASS, and calling a fellow debater/commentor a dumbass.

    Political Figures are fair game… peers are not fair game when it comes to personal attacks.

    Indycoltsfan says

    Come on VF, Lets bring in the Itrolls and lets have a slugfest. I haven’t had a good fight in awhile and I don’t want my skills to get rusty. LOL!

  272. Indycoltsfan says:

    This is tooooo funnny!!!!!! As the saying goes once a coke head always a coke head. Obama’s coke delivery seized.

  273. m2elena says:

    VF, I was attacked by a liberal “friend” yesterday who thought after all this time that I had changed my stance on Obama. And therefore this person could not accept my opinion anymore, and resorted to telling me that I am the dark, evil or the world but when the rapture comes God will make everyone good etc.

    Yeah.

    Ps. was just cleaning up toddler messes. She pulled off her diaper and peed on the floor and threw many a tantrum, peeing in her bed and everywhere!

  274. rosehips says:

    Haha Indy…looks like Specter will get the last word!

    That means he will be the very last to speak when the Judiciary Committee questions President Barack Obama’s yet-to-be-named nominee to replace Justice
    David Souter — after even Sen. Ted Kaufman of Delaware, who has been a senator for all of four months.

  275. m2elena says:

    the word ‘or’ should be ‘of’.

    Anyway, that is as personal as it gets! Harsh!!!

  276. m2elena says:

    indy that is funny!!

  277. rosehips says:

    now there’s cold hard evidence for you! a shipment of marijuana with obama and calderone’s names on them! hahaha. Guilty as sin. cuff ’em holder. there’s no denying it….it’s there all in black: OBAMA~ CALERONE.

    lolololololololol

  278. m2elena says:

    well I finally changed my facebook setting from Pirate language back to “English”… it was fun, but kind of confusing. If anyone has facebook, you should try the pirate setting.

  279. VotingFemale says:

    That is pretty funny, Indy.

    And likely is a joke played on Obama by someone in the drug cartel who does not like interdiction… and sees Obama as the point of the interdiction sword.

    Had it been during the Bush years it would have no doubt said BUSH hahahaha

    and ohh I could just imagine the Socialist Media playing up this news report on a 24/7 loop had it said BUSH.

    Likely it will not be covered or will be appropriately scoffed at and dropped as a news item.

  280. VotingFemale says:

    I don’t use Facebook or any of those kinds of web sites… but I understand many folks enjoy it.

  281. VotingFemale says:

    That was no friend, dear. And that sort of personal attack clearly shows the “Victim Mentality” of certain types of weak minded souls who find comfort in the arms of the Socialist Party, in my opinion.

    m2elena says

    VF, I was attacked by a liberal “friend” yesterday who thought after all this time that I had changed my stance on Obama. And therefore this person could not accept my opinion anymore, and resorted to telling me that I am the dark, evil or the world but when the rapture comes God will make everyone good etc.

    Yeah.

    Ps. was just cleaning up toddler messes. She pulled off her diaper and peed on the floor and threw many a tantrum, peeing in her bed and everywhere!

  282. m2elena says:

    Facebook is … kind of strange. Sometimes I’m like, why do I want to know what people are doing every single minute. But I still look at it! I don’t usually do the status update thing.

    As to the person, it was from left-field, in my opinion. I just don’t think we were connecting, I don’t understand how it went to that point. So while I found the assertion shocking at first, now I am more rational, and able to not care. C’est la vie!

  283. ohiobelle says:

    Good Afternoon All!!

    I hate facebook, my space, etc… This is about as social as I will ever get.. lol

    Here is a joke that I am sure you’ve all heard by now..

    My grandfather once told me if a black man ever became president, pigs would fly.

    100 days later…….

    Swine flu

    Had to share that. lol

  284. ohiobelle says:

    I do have a twitter account but I’ve never logged on… I was more or less curious when it first came out.

  285. Indycoltsfan says:

    good one bell. I thinks it’s ironic that the swine flu has reemerged less than 100 days into Obama’s presidency. I wonder if that’s some kind of omen. LOL!

  286. ohiobelle says:

    Indy, correct me if I am wrong but we always get the swine flu when a socialist is President… lol Wasn’t swine flu around when Carter was President??

  287. Indycoltsfan says:

    I believe you are right bell. LOL!

  288. Foxwood says:

    Rose,

    I did a Google. here is a place to start. I didn’t give the URLs because anyone can print anything. I don’t trust anyone, but you can skim through the dirt.

    I saw one right off the bat, but you may have to dig through several pages. It’s like looking for dirt on MFNBC. You can find it, but you have to dig through the crap.

    Back to work again.

  289. VotingFemale says:

    I have a nice announcement to make!

    iReporter ANAV has decided to join WordPress and now has a wordpress blog site!

    He just left me a comment on an older post of mine which I cross post to here so everyone knows.

    His name/link has been added to the iReporter/Alumni WordPress Community list.

    I have started working with him as of today to help him get up to speed with setting up his blog and finding his way here.

    Please Welcome anavslp aka ANAV! and visit his blog to let him know we now know he is here and to welcome him!

    My message to him on his blog is awaiting his moderation approval at present…

    https://votingfemale.wordpress.com/2009/04/23/obama-has-spent-one-million-dollars-in-citizenship-defense-fees-instead-of-revealing-his-vault-birth-certificate/

    anavslp // May 6, 2009 at 10:59 am said:

    hey votingfemale
    this is anav from ireport. Im gonna be cancelling ireport cause theres way too much drama but can you help me out on this network? It looks really hard to figure out.
    can you send me a message?
    God Bless You

  290. ohiobelle says:

    Foxwood wrote: It’s like looking for dirt on MFNBC

    hahahahahaha

    vf wrote: iReporter ANAV has decided to join WordPress and now has a wordpress blog site!

    Good! I like ANAV. Welcome to the best site on the web.

  291. VotingFemale says:

    Here are the two links for ANAV if you are unaware of him…

    his wordpress link: http://anavslp.wordpress.com
    his iReport link: http://www.ireport.com/people/ANAV

  292. LisaInTX says:

    Good Afternoon fellow Pro-Life Extremist!!
    Looks like y’all had some good debating going on earlier. Well done, one and all. :-}

  293. ohiobelle says:

    vf wrote: And I also suggest… any of us, me included, who let slip, their anger puts themselves at a disadvantage. Anger is an emotion… and not rational thinking.

    We all get angry… we are all human… but no one dominates with anger in a debate… it is a sign of a loss of self-control.

    I agree. I think we all love a healthy debate but we must agree to disagree at certain times. Let’s leave all the crying to iCry.. lol

  294. ohiobelle says:

    Good afternoon Lisa and vf!

    I already sent ANAV a welcome message.

  295. LisaInTX says:

    Afternoon Belle!!! Are we having fun yet? lol

    ANAV is a SWEETHEART!! Glad to have him over here. :-}

  296. ohiobelle says:

    I am just reading through the comments from earlier today.. lol Has everyone taken their blood pressure medicine lately?? haha
    I am sorry I missed that debate.

  297. Indycoltsfan says:

    Howdy!!! Lisa!!! Good Afternoon!!! Go back up the page a spell and check out the video I posted on Obama.

  298. LisaInTX says:

    I dare ANYONE to consider me ‘rational”!!! I’m WAY to PISSED OFF at new labels given by the Dept. of ObamaLand Security to be ‘rational” at this point in my life…LMAO…..;-]

    vf wrote: And I also suggest… any of us, me included, who let slip, their anger puts themselves at a disadvantage. Anger is an emotion… and not rational thinking.

  299. ohiobelle says:

    Lisa, I finally have a couple hours to myself.. Sometimes it is so nice to be here alone with my fellow Constitution huggers..lol

  300. Indycoltsfan says:

    Anger can be a good thing if it is directed toward a worthy cause.

  301. LisaInTX says:

    Afternoon Indy!! I’ll go and check that out..I tried it earlier and the link was busy…must be a really hot one huh? lol….heeee

  302. ohiobelle says:

    Lisa wrote: I’m WAY to PISSED OFF at new labels given by the Dept. of ObamaLand Security to be ‘rational” at this point in my life…LMAO…..;-]

    Did they come up with new names??? Are we still rightwinger terrorist?

  303. VotingFemale says:

    Foxwood? I am so glad we met up…

    and I like your music too!

    Hey Belle! WB, girlfriend!

  304. ohiobelle says:

    My hubby blocked cspan! Crap, what am I missing????

  305. LisaInTX says:

    They are after christians and Pro-lifers, Jews, Black Panthers, etc… now….along with allot of others…Lexicon…BUT NOT ONE hint at Islam or KNOWN TERRORISTS in our country….how is that for starters??? The Asshole Communist wanna be’s!!

  306. ohiobelle says:

    Helloooo vf!

    I think it is a matter of time before we get everybody from iCry over here. They can clearly see it is so much better.

  307. VotingFemale says:

    One man’s “worthy” is another man’s “Unworthy”
    worthiness is quite subjective!

    lol

    Indycoltsfan says

    Anger can be a good thing if it is directed toward a worthy cause.

  308. Indycoltsfan says:

    The friggin commies can label me any way they want to. How about PISSED OFF AMERICAN! How’s that for a label?

  309. ohiobelle says:

    Lisa, I agree it’s something to be angry about but this pre 9/11 mentality they’ve shown will bite them in the ass..

  310. ohiobelle says:

    Indy wrote: How about PISSED OFF AMERICAN! How’s that for a label?

    hahahaha! Indy, you need to buy a sweater and sew on a great big red R for racist.. lol

    VF and I already decided we’ll be sharing a cell and rosehips is going to walk by and try to feed us commie chow. lol

  311. LisaInTX says:

    Indy
    LOL…we can rest assured that the delivery WILL be received on time now!!hahaha… If they went snailmail, it could have taken month’s to reach him…hahahaaa

  312. Indycoltsfan says:

    I believe anger is good when it is directed towards retribution for a wrong commited.

  313. ohiobelle says:

    I already told rosehips that I plan on grabbing her arm and pulling her in the cage with us. As VF is eating her kitty commie chow I will be giving rosehips some tats. Maybe Rush on one arm and SEAN on the other.. Maybe a tramp stamp that reads Crazy Like A Fox on her lower back.. lol What do you think?

  314. VotingFemale says:

    Belle… iCry is a rundown rats nest now, in my opinion.

    at least before the mass bans one could fend for one’s self and sort out the brain dead ones from the rest and have a good debate now and then…

    The Left-Wing Anti-Conservative Plotters who iwhined to Davidw single-handedly got iCry killed…

    Now they can stew in their own self-made pig wallow… with their sneak back accounts always watching over their shoulder for Davidw coming their way with a ban stick for coming back without permission

    oink oink grunt grunt squeal

    …while We Prosper in the Sunlight of Freedom of Expression and Speech and enjoy individual Moderation Control over our blogs to keep the iRat infestation stomped into the ground!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  315. ohiobelle says:

    vf, hahahahahahahahahaha!!!

    vf, wrote: The Left-Wing Anti-Conservative Plotters who iwhined to Davidw single handedly got iCry killed…

  316. LisaInTX says:

    Belle
    I agree. I enjoy coming here and sharing OUR opinions on the issues and trying to figure out what is really going on without the HATE and RABID rants from the left. I feel we are headed in a much more constructive and focused direction.

  317. ohiobelle says:

    I am only upset that ohiobelle (not newbies) didn’t get to post about that pet rock! I probably would’ve had 17,000 views. lol

  318. Indycoltsfan says:

    Yea Obama needs his nose candy. The prez of mexico sent it by personal courier. i’ll bet obama’s is pissed the shipment got interrupted along the way. Dam those DEA officials are just too darn efficient.

  319. ohiobelle says:

    Okay, I read through some comments earlier that talked about cocaine. What is this about?? I think mr belle has been keeping me from watching the news and cspan!! My fellow commies.. please help me catch up.

  320. LisaInTX says:

    We can rant and get all angry to vent off, now we just need to start figuring ways out to address the many issues and take on a positive role in our communities.
    I’ve got to call the Republican headquarters and get the words Democratic Party flatlined off my voters card for starters…hahahaaa

  321. ohiobelle says:

    It wouldn’t surprise me if Obama went back to the coke.. lol Alot on his plate.

  322. Indycoltsfan says:

    VF wrote

    The Left-Wing Anti-Conservative Plotters who iwhined to Davidw single handedly got iCry killed…

    Now they can stew in their own self-made pig wallow… with their sneak back accounts always watchong for their shoulder for Davidw comming their way with a ban stick for coming back without permission

    oink oink grunt grunt squeal

    Tooooo Funnnny!!! but very true!!! Becareful what you wish for! LOL!

  323. LisaInTX says:

    Belle
    Indy posted a youtube link above about a drug bust. Seems some of the goodies had Obama’s name hand written in black marker on them…LOL

  324. ohiobelle says:

    So after reading through the comments I have to ask if bill is mad at us? Doesn’t he want to be friends with baby seal clubbers anymore? lol

  325. Indycoltsfan says:

    bell, check out the obama video I posted about half way up the page now.

  326. VotingFemale says:

    Lisa you can also go change your voter registration at the town hall and get that Democrat label flatlined! lol

    That is what I did.

  327. LisaInTX says:

    Indy
    Never fear—I’m sure Obama is trying to figure out a way to discredit and demonize them –sic the ACLU on them?? or replace them for doing their job ‘too well’…..maybe with his Civilian National Security Force ‘volunteers??

  328. ohiobelle says:

    Lisa, ahhh… too funny. I guess CEO of the United States wasn’t good enough for him.. now he’s Martel of the United States.

  329. VotingFemale says:

    Belle… bill discovered he had some pushable buttons…

  330. Indycoltsfan says:

    That was alot of coke seized. I suppose obama was trying to stock up for the long 4 years of his presidency

  331. LisaInTX says:

    Thanks VF—I think I’ll see if I can get that done today. :-}
    It will make me feel better about being deemed a threat to our nation ya know. ;-}

  332. billalmighty says:

    VF – for what it’s worth

    Bill said
    many of the topics in here are absolutely conspiracy theories

    VF –

    i think you got a bit offended because you interpreted this comment to mean that i was saying your POST topics are conspiracy theories…..which is not the case

    if you care to look back to what m2 and i were saying to each other, she brought up conspiracy theories regarding yesterday’s conversation her and i had about the fairness doctrine. the reference had nothing to do with the subject of your posts, but rather SOME of the thinking she was asserting while talking about the fairness doctrine.

    m2 said

    I never needed to know what you were for. I don’t think rosehips is for the same ideas I have, and I respect her. I respect you regardless of what you are “for”.

    As far as the fairness doctrine, I formulated an opinion/stance based on prior ‘research’ and I believe you considered my opinion baseless and “conspiracy”… so I just wanted to know what you thought about the fairness doctrine. I think that forming a position on something based on research should not be dismissed as ‘baseless partisan conspiracy’… So. Ok, cool.

    You can be a Labour Party supporter living in the U.S. for all I care. I only care when someone dismisses my POV, without reason.

    then, Bill said

    you seem to take the things i write about conservatives personally

    many of the topics in here are absolutely conspiracy theories that you are a participant in….if that means you think i dismiss your ideas or opinions when i refuse to buy into it….then i’d repeat i think you’re taking it too personally

    free thinking kicks ass

    VF –

    even though m2 misunderstood what i had said yesterday, and accused me of disregarding her opinion, you can see the context of the conversation that brought it up

    and VF….in all fairness, i think you’ll find “i/m/o” in many of my comments where it seems appropriate

    i’ve been having fun here…would like to keep it that way

    i hope no one has a problem with me

    but if so….kiss my ass!

  333. m2elena says:

    Oh man, such VISUALS!!!! LOL!!! I love it!

    vf said: Now they can stew in their own self-made pig wallow… with their sneak back accounts always watching over their shoulder for Davidw coming their way with a ban stick for coming back without permission

    oink oink grunt grunt squeal

  334. billalmighty says:

    that last part was a joke, btw

    and stop f’kin talking about me like i’m not here
    😉

    i think it was VF who had her button pushed a little this time

  335. LisaInTX says:

    Speaking of Bill—he just wrote a novel…lol…way to hang in there dude!!! Tell us how you really feel, and then kiss our butts!!! hahahaa….;-] just kidding…heee

  336. ohiobelle says:

    Whoops I meant Cartel of the United States of America… sorry.

  337. billalmighty says:

    i/m/o

  338. m2elena says:

    dang, bill sneak attack!

  339. billalmighty says:

    i was refreshing a bunch…it took a lot of research to put that shit together

  340. Indycoltsfan says:

    Hi Bill, welcome back

  341. LisaInTX says:

    Lunch time at the voters registration office….dang…I’ll try again in a few minutes! I’m on a mission today!!! LMAO….

  342. m2elena says:

    Bill you told me yesterday that all of my points that I researched on Fairness Doctrine was CONSPIRACY. You brought that up, not me!!

    I don’t think that people’s issues they discuss are conspiracy. They are issues important to them.

    therefore, I disagree with that above comment there.

  343. ohiobelle says:

    C’mon can’t we all just get along?? lol

    We need to all respect everyones views without anger. I like to hear different views.. I think we are all very open minded.. k?

  344. m2elena says:

    I do believe the ad hominem serveth Bill well.
    😛

  345. billalmighty says:

    m2…

    girl i have been researching this!

    i didn’t say your whole idea was conspiracy, you just always automatically go there on me….it’s all or nothing with you

    stop that, dammit! 🙂

  346. ohiobelle says:

    If anybody read my report on the Fairness Doctrine then you would know how I feel about that subject. It’s why I’ve chosen not to comment or try to change the subject.. see how easy it is??

  347. LisaInTX says:

    Have y’all seen the GPS tracking to our front door by the ‘Obama Census “committee???
    Whatever shall they do next? Use a brush and paint blood above our doors to REALLY MARK us??? Oh, I know…..MicroChip us “terrorists” so they can keep track of our every move….errrrr

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=97208

  348. ohiobelle says:

    bill wrote: girl i have been researching this!

    Bill, I think I win in the research department on that subject. I think we should change the subject..

    What is your thought on Nancy Pelosi refusing to hand over the documents that prove she was informed on the enhanced interrogations? Maybe they are filed next to Countrywide Dodds mortgage papers?? lol

  349. m2elena says:

    Bill, here is where you discredited my position which I researched, date/timestamped:

    Bill says:
    May 5, 2009 at 10:57 am

    m2-that’s another wingnut conspiracy theory

    ________________________
    So yes, I do not care what conclusions people draw after “researching” an issue. It’s not about right and wrong. It is about not discrediting someone’s POV with a flippant statement when you have none of you own.
    Spanks.

    😛

    🙂

  350. billalmighty says:

    thx indy

  351. m2elena says:

    Now you have a POV after researching, which you told me you have. And I will gladly “debate” with you without the assertions of baseless generalization.

  352. LisaInTX says:

    Belle, this is the latest on the Lexicon statements and the Obamaland Security ‘terrorist’ threats…
    It was pulled almost immediately, but regardless, it STILL went out…..the jerks!

    http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=96916

  353. billalmighty says:

    m2
    again

    not your whole idea, just some of the things you assert

    i don’t know how else to defend my own thoughts and words

    you can even repeat it again, it won’t be more true

  354. ohiobelle says:

    Okay they just showed all the states in red that have been effected by the swine flu… it wish all those states were red a few months ago. lol

  355. billalmighty says:

    no, m2

    you constantly jump to the wrong assumption with me

    the research i mentioned was to be able to type that long comment a few minutes ago, not the fairness doctrine

    you need drugs

  356. m2elena says:

    Usually I don’t know what your defending. So whatever.

    Defending the right to call my POV right wing-nut?
    … Ha ha ha….

    whatever.

  357. billalmighty says:

    you can’t finish my thoughts

    you’re wrong every time you try

  358. billalmighty says:

    what?

  359. VotingFemale says:

    Poor Old Arlen Sphincter… is now a congressional nobody!

    Take that! You Benedict Arnold!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    Party Switch Costs Specter His Seniority on Senate Committees

    By Paul Kane
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Wednesday, May 6, 2009

    The Senate last night stripped Sen. Arlen Specter (Pa.) of his seniority on committees, a week after the 29-year veteran of the chamber quit the Republican Party to join the Democrats.

    In announcing his move across the aisle last week, Specter asserted that Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) had assured him he would retain his seniority in the Senate and on the five committees on which he serves. Specter’s tenure ranked him ahead of all but seven Democrats.

    Instead, though, on a voice vote last night, the Senate approved a resolution that made Specter the most junior Democrat on four committees for the remainder of this Congress. (He will rank second from last on the fifth, the Special Committee on Aging.) Reid himself read the resolution on the Senate floor, underscoring the reversal.

    Democrats have suggested that they will consider revisiting Specter’s seniority claim at the committee level only after next year’s midterm elections.

    “This is all going to be negotiated next Congress,” Jim Manley, a Reid spokesman, said last night.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/05/AR2009050504344.html?wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter

  360. m2elena says:

    what? You said this morning you researched and thought the fairness doctrine was a ‘bad’ thing. That’s what I was referring to.

  361. billalmighty says:

    m2

    see, i never know what you mean because you’re answering something that i didn’t ask or say

  362. billalmighty says:

    ok then, on that note

    lol

  363. ohiobelle says:

    Lisa.. That article said,
    Unlike the right-wing extremism report, however, the lexicon includes definitions of extremism across a broad spectrum of issues: anarchy, animal rights extremism, black nationalism, Cuban independence, environmentalism, Jewish extremism, Mexican separatism, right-wing militias, white supremacists, the anti-war movement and more

    OMG! I am a terrorist! C’m and get me you United States hating f’kers! lol

  364. m2elena says:

    That’s nice, I “need meds”… Ok.
    well you were the one that brought up our discussion about fairness doctrine about 5 mins. ago so that is what I am discussing.

    Apparently I don’t know what the “debate” is so I’m not going to bother.

  365. ohiobelle says:

    I have to take off for about 20 minutes. I will be back my fellow extremist! lol

  366. Foxwood says:

    VF wrote:
    “Foxwood? I am so glad we met up…
    and I like your music too!”

    Wha’d I do?
    I have to admit I have some good music.

    Brown Sugar – Sir Mick and the boys from the album Sticky Fingers (1971)

  367. LisaInTX says:

    Beagle meet Cloud, Cloud meet Beagle. Sounds like some misunderstandings and clarification is needed on who said what on what day or which comment, yes???

  368. billalmighty says:

    stop taking shit personal

  369. m2elena says:

    Generally when you tell someone they need to be on meds -it makes things personal. I never did that to people on ireport, or here. And I wouldn’t tell you that.

    So it’s not personal, and I don’t care, b/c I’ve got chores and work to do anyhow.

  370. billalmighty says:

    it was a f’king joke!

    get a grip, folks!!

    some badass ireporters could use some thicker skin

    I/M/O

  371. VotingFemale says:

    Bill… you seriously need to calm down. Throwing F-Bombs discredits you.

    When you said “The Topics” I read that to mean my Blog Post Topics…

    What commentors say to each other in the way of their views of things is a horse of a different color with respect to blog post topics.

    No one says you have to like what others say…
    loosing your cool over it do not not help you nor your case.

    now be a good boy and get your anger under control… Ok? 🙂

  372. LisaInTX says:

    Belle
    That failed to write in Black Supremacists or Islam Extremists. Guess they are NOT a real threat now..huh? LMAO…..
    I just got off the phone with the voters registration here and she has no idea HOW to change the parties on my card, but will check with another to see how.
    She also got an ear full of WHY I want to change it and agreed with me with many giggles and laughs….heeeee

  373. billalmighty says:

    really?

  374. VotingFemale says:

    Bill… logically argue your case… but leave the personal attacks and the F-Bombs at the door please… that applies to everyone.. not just you.

  375. Indycoltsfan says:

    It looks like the dem’s rewarded Specter by giving him the high hard one up the anal spincter. lOL!

  376. billalmighty says:

    i’m unfairly accused of stuff, and i’m the one who is over reacting?

    is this how trolls are created?

  377. Indycoltsfan says:

    bill, go find your favorite chair grab a cold bear and relax before you have a heart attack.

  378. VotingFemale says:

    Old Man Sphincter thought he could pull a fast one… no one trusts a traitor.

  379. billalmighty says:

    wait…anal spincter is ok

    f’kin is not?

    is that the rules?

  380. LisaInTX says:

    Bill
    Debating the issues do not include calling EACH OTHER a wing nut or that the Other needs to be on Med’s for stating their POV…..
    If a point you made is not clear to the other, then clarify exactly what you stated, not throw personal insults…..M2 did not call you names, yet you have done this to her twice.
    WE all have tough skin, but we have also risen above the childish bullshit spewed on Ireport with their personal attacks ploys….we don’t have to hear that crap here anymore.
    You are very skilled at debating the issues as you have shown, now just drop the latest ‘personal’ attack on M2—she is very sweet and smart and to do this only makes you look like the ass.

  381. billalmighty says:

    really…you guys are filling me in on debate etiquette?

    thanks anyway

  382. billalmighty says:

    i’m just asking questions…not pissed, just waiting for a legit response that isn’t telling me to calm down or lecture me….

    anyone?

  383. Indycoltsfan says:

    VF, Arlen is in for a big surprise next election cycle when the dems run a real democrat against him in the primary and they retire him before he gets to run in the general election.

  384. VotingFemale says:

    Bill?

    the words Anal and Sphincter is allowed on public Television broadcasting…

    the F-Bomb is not allowed… I allow some leaway with folks who let an f-bomb slip once in a while and dont say anything… but when it starts showing up in in large numbers I don’t think it helps anyone get their point across… just the reverse.

  385. Foxwood says:

    Specter’s sphincter got the special?

  386. LisaInTX says:

    No…just playing mediators hoping to divert the explosion that is about to take place. You want the bomb to go off onya, be my guest. M2—he’s all yours honey!….I’ll make popcorn, who’s bringing the beer? LMAO…hahaha

  387. Indycoltsfan says:

    Just like Rodney King said. “Can’t we all just get along” LOL!

  388. billalmighty says:

    lisa said

    drop the latest ‘personal’ attack on M2—

    ok, lisa…VF….

    can i get proof to back this statement up?

  389. ohiobelle says:

    Indy wrote: It looks like the dem’s rewarded Specter by giving him the high hard one up the anal spincter. lOL!

    hahahha!! I am so glad he went to the dark side…

  390. m2elena says:

    It’s okay. I’m tired of arguing for arguments sake, it’s not my style… maybe and I ain’t gonna feed it. No skin off my back, everyone go back to using the blog for intended purpose. To discuss ISSUES.
    🙂

    Thanks for the confidence in my skills Lisa. I have to laugh at the battles I’ve been through… Ha ha.. those were some great times!

    back to work.

    Later Bill, VF, Lisa, and Indy.

  391. m2elena says:

    later belle!

  392. ohiobelle says:

    vf wrote: the F-Bomb is not allowed

    Does that include f’ng or f’ker???

  393. ohiobelle says:

    M2, are you leaving???

  394. Indycoltsfan says:

    Foxwood wrote.

    Specter’s sphincter got the special?

    That’s his official welcome to the democratic party. LOL! Think of it like a fraternity initiation.

  395. Foxwood says:

    I’m glad you clarified that. If Specter’s sphincter got the special, I was going to spew!

  396. m2elena says:

    I got work to do while kiddo sleeps. You know how precious naptime is— can’t waste that!

  397. ohiobelle says:

    M2, Oh god I know what you’re talking about.. lol

    I’ll talk to you soon.

    M2 wrote: I got work to do while kiddo sleeps. You know how precious naptime is— can’t waste that!

  398. ohiobelle says:

    Foxwood wrote: If Specter’s sphincter got the special, I was going to spew!

    I am LMAO! I have tears in my eyes..

  399. VotingFemale says:

    The F-Bomb is not allowed …on public Television… to finish the statement.

    I allow an occasional F-Bomb here on the blog… but when they start showing up in large numbers I don’t think it helps the serial F-Bomber get their message across.

    I am simply advising leaving the F-bombs and personal attacks be left at the door .

  400. rosehips says:

    hey hey hey this is a test….

  401. LisaInTX says:

    Bill
    I saw were you tried to lighten things up and yet the misunderstanding was not explained.
    I’m trying to be fair here and say that both of you might have been responding to different subjects and different comments? Not sure which is which, but hoping to help you both out by playing ref is all I’m doing….maybe I should have kept my big mouth out of y’alls business, but I like you both and I hate to see my friends mad at each other. :-/

    Bill says to M2
    You need drugs.

    billalmighty // May 6, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    no, m2

    you constantly jump to the wrong assumption with me

    the research i mentioned was to be able to type that long comment a few minutes ago, not the fairness doctrine

    you need drugs

  402. ohiobelle says:

    vf, I understand about the F-bomb. Thank you.

    Rosehips, why are you testing??

  403. Indycoltsfan says:

    Bill, You have friends here lighten up my friend.
    We only eat Itrolls. BTW, If you feel the need to drop an Fbomb make it nuclear and clear the blog. LOL!

  404. ohiobelle says:

    My thought on Bill and M2… Bill, this dog bites.. haha.. Leave my girl alone! I’ve been polite up to this point and I like talking to you but I have mad love for M2. I usually try not to get involved but I want to put my 2 cents in on this matter. Done! That is the last time I will talk about that again.

  405. VotingFemale says:

    and folks… let me handle this situation with Bill… Ok?

    Bill… all I am doing is trying to talk you down off the ledge. I want you to contribute to the discussions here… if I didn’t you can believe you would not be here, dear. Ok?

    Let’s just all cool off… I will open up the beer tapper and everyone can have a draft brewsky on the house!

  406. Foxwood says:

    Hey Rose, Wha’cha testin’?

  407. LisaInTX says:

    Vf
    Filler up!! LOL…..hmmmm….ice cold, just like I like it. ;-]

    I gotta run for awhile…bbl
    Peace brothers and sisters…..:-}

  408. rosehips says:

    hey all, trying to set up my laptop with through my wireless modem. so this is a test…

  409. ohiobelle says:

    Indy wrote: We only eat Itrolls.

    hahahaha

    Bill, I consider you my friend and I like when we comment. Let’s move on.

  410. rosehips says:

    hooray, now when my son needs to do his schoolwork on the puter, I can still blog!

  411. ohiobelle says:

    We’re not obstructionist, anti-patriotic, mud slingin’, name callin, no tax payin’, belly achin’, Armageddon predictin’ , FEMA campin’, Limbaugh listenin’, “I’m not a racist, but I can’t explain why I’m hatin”, tea baggin’, don’t know why I’m protestin’, iReport pollutin’, iTroll sclap takin’, garbage postin’, Beck quotin’, no idea havin’, complainin’, just say No poutin’, progressive blockin’, NWO fear-mongerin’, Castro slammin’, North Korea knockin’, Iran bustin’, HAMAS hatin’, UN bashin’, constitution-huggin’, Jefferson quotin’, gun totin’, First Amendment worshipin’, bible quotin’, Obama slammin’, Liberal smearin’, Socialist baitin’, separatist promotin’, CNN slammin’, Marxist hatin’, domestic terrorist….

    We are sinners… lol

  412. ohiobelle says:

    Indy, I am prepared to wash my mouth out with soap.. lol

  413. Foxwood says:

    I seal my lips on that one Indy. BBL, I got to let the batteries charge and get back to work. 🙂

  414. ohiobelle says:

    Foxwood, that’s funny. I think we all remember little quotes growing up. My sister and I drove my parents nuts at times (we are identical twins). My mom used to say something like she brought us into this world and she will take us out! hahahaha It was always in a joking way when she said it.

    Foxwood wrote: Yeah, I guess so. I just remember as a child, he was devout, but on occasion “shit” would slip out and I’d hear my mom yell “Remus!” That’s when he would say the quote.

  415. billalmighty says:

    thanks for the kind words everyone

    i feel like i’m already playing by the rules, but will re-affirm that’s what i intend to do

    VF –

    it’s great that all of you are friends. i would ask that you mediate both sides of the “personal attack” thing that happened

    m2 walks the edge of the personal attack line most of the time with me, and has probably even crossed it a time or two, but i didn’t cry foul. i would ask you to address that with her as well since you feel the need to speak with me about it

    there are a lot of misunderstandings that cause hostility because they go unchecked…then someone gets blamed…then we’re pissed off for being blamed for something we didn’t even do

    i have no problem admitting when i’m wrong…in fact, the very first thing i did when i came to this post today was admit to m2 that i was wrong about a debate we had yesterday as a friendly gesture….even made a joke about her enjoying it….scroll up if you care to and see what transpired after

    i’ve had fun being in here. i hope it stays fun

  416. ohiobelle says:

    Hey Bill.. you never answered my question from above..

    I wrote: What is your thought on Nancy Pelosi refusing to hand over the documents that prove she was informed on the enhanced interrogations? Maybe they are filed next to Countrywide Dodds mortgage papers?? lol

  417. VotingFemale says:

    I am going to do a little education for folks who are not in the know here… so bear with me…

    The term Uncle Remus is a pejorative term for African Americans usually used by one African American against another African American such as a Liberal African American against a conservative African American and is meant as an insult and a slur that the conservative African American is sucking up to White Folks and turning their back on the Black Community.

    Now with that explained… let’s move forward and if someone is going to use that phrase let it be a liberal against a conservative and let that liberal receive a shit storm from all conservative for it… for they are attacking one of us conservatives and being racist at the same time.

  418. rosehips says:

    I hope it stays fun too bill. I can’t imagine that it won’t.

  419. billalmighty says:

    belle –
    i’m not really up to speed on it.

    everyone already knows she’s lying don’t they?

  420. ohiobelle says:

    vf, party pooper. lol

  421. rosehips says:

    not that I would do that…

  422. ohiobelle says:

    bill wrote: i’m not really up to speed on it.

    everyone already knows she’s lying don’t they?

    I guarantee everybody knows Nancy is a liar. I get sooo mad that they will produce documents that put our military and country at risk but they won’t produce papers that call them out on their lies..

  423. Indycoltsfan says:

    belle, The pelosi documents are in hiding with the real obama birth records.

  424. rosehips says:

    ok, I guess that’s taboo. gotcha.

  425. ohiobelle says:

    and the birth certificate is next to Dodds mortgage papers.. I almost forgot about that stupid certificate.

    Indy wrote: belle, The pelosi documents are in hiding with the real obama birth records.

  426. billalmighty says:

    belle-

    i thought i saw on that some of her colleagues had already told on her…other people who were at the same briefings

  427. rosehips says:

    did I miss out on some hostile debate in here?

  428. billalmighty says:

    sorry, saw on another vf post

  429. rosehips says:

    I could see in pelosi’s eyes that she wasn’t copping to something when she denied she didn’t know about the waterboarding.

  430. ohiobelle says:

    Bill, you’re correct but without the papers nothing matters. Pelosi was apart of the “Gang of Four” even though she denies it.

    U.S. law requires the CIA to inform Congress of covert activities and allows the briefings to be limited in certain highly sensitive cases to a “Gang of Eight,” including the four top congressional leaders of both parties as well as the four senior intelligence committee members. In this case, most briefings about detainee programs were limited to the “Gang of Four,” the top Republican and Democrat on the two committees. A few staff members were permitted to attend some of the briefings.

  431. ohiobelle says:

    It was the few staff members that attended the 30 briefings that called her out. She still continues with her lies. I don’t get it.

  432. Indycoltsfan says:

    Pelosi is a witch and even looks like one. I’ll bet she has so much fun flying her broom on halloween. I can picture her in my mind flying by the shadow of the moon.

  433. billalmighty says:

    pelosi is a dangerous politician

  434. ohiobelle says:

    Rosehips wrote: I could see in pelosi’s eyes that she wasn’t copping to something when she denied she didn’t know about the waterboarding.

    This is when I wish I could read facial movements. I love that show Lie To Me.. Somebody should call her out.

  435. billalmighty says:

    the kind that can get you in a war quick

  436. ohiobelle says:

    Indy wrote: Pelosi is a witch and even looks like one. I’ll bet she has so much fun flying her broom on halloween. I can picture her in my mind flying by the shadow of the moon.

    My husband said she looks like a mouse. He calls her the House Mouse. It’s funny when he says it.

    Bill, Pelosi is dangerous only because of her position.

  437. billalmighty says:

    i have a headache

    i’m out

    catch you later

  438. Indycoltsfan says:

    When I see pelosi,reid, and obama together an image of the three stooges immediately comes to mind.

  439. Indycoltsfan says:

    see ya bill

  440. Foxwood says:

    VF said:
    “I am going to do a little education for folks who are not in the know here… so bear with me…”

    Ok… I’ll just say my uncle for later reference… 🙂

  441. ohiobelle says:

    I don’t want to let Dodd and Fudd off easy. Christopher Countrywide Dodd made AIG give him contributions in order for the bonuses to be put in the spending bill and let’s not forget those mortgage papers..

    Barney Fudd gave his bank $12 million in TARP funds even though the bank was a failure and didn’t meet the requirements that Fudd wrote. He claimed the rules he wrote weren’t clear and it was the current administrations fault… my god!!

  442. VotingFemale says:

    Bill, glad you decided to stay dear.

    If you or anyone else ever have problems that are upsetting you… email me and I will look into it and I will approach the situation with an even hand.

    I do not read all comments… and I am not responsible for what goes on on other’s blogs.

    What I want is for everyone to have a good time and have good debates and show due respect for others… and I don’t play favorites if things get out of hand… I work hard at being fair and even handed and not strict with people.

    I have moderated chat rooms for years and have received rather extensive training and supervision on it.

    And this is not pointed at anyone… so no one should feel that it is… but I have dealt with some of the best Moderation Baiters in existance… and can spot it a mile away… even if I don’t say anything about it.

    I am not saying anyone has done that… just saying it like it is.

    Moderation can be a hard and thankless job and anyone with a need for power-trip self-ego boosting had best stay clear of ever becoming a Moderator… else, you will get your ass handed to you.

    billalmighty says

    thanks for the kind words everyone

    i feel like i’m already playing by the rules, but will re-affirm that’s what i intend to do

    VF –

    it’s great that all of you are friends. i would ask that you mediate both sides of the “personal attack” thing that happened

    m2 walks the edge of the personal attack line most of the time with me, and has probably even crossed it a time or two, but i didn’t cry foul. i would ask you to address that with her as well since you feel the need to speak with me about it

    there are a lot of misunderstandings that cause hostility because they go unchecked…then someone gets blamed…then we’re pissed off for being blamed for something we didn’t even do

    i have no problem admitting when i’m wrong…in fact, the very first thing i did when i came to this post today was admit to m2 that i was wrong about a debate we had yesterday as a friendly gesture….even made a joke about her enjoying it….scroll up if you care to and see what transpired after

    i’ve had fun being in here. i hope it stays fun

  443. ohiobelle says:

    Bye Bill!

    Indy wrote: When I see pelosi,reid, and obama together an image of the three stooges immediately comes to mind.

    When I see Pelosi, Reid, Fudd, and Dodd I call them the lollipop gang..

  444. Foxwood says:

    Rose,
    I was going to mention about Frank Zappa also, but decided not.

  445. LisaInTX says:

    Guys
    Regarding switching parties—I was told I don’t have to do anything, that Texas does not show any party on the voters card on on file. they do show if you voted Dem or Repub for stats.
    All I have to do next time is ask for a republican ballot and I’m set!!
    They seemed NOT to know anything about the separate ‘pre-ballots’ that were mailed out this past election???? Joe, my husband got one with nothing but Republicans on it, while I got one with nothing but Dem’s on it??? Isn’t that strange that they didn’t know anything about that??? What the heck???
    Anyway—per them, I’m cool to vote for who ever I want…..Good to know!!

  446. ohiobelle says:

    Lisa, it shouldn’t matter as long as you vote Republican on election day. lol

  447. Indycoltsfan says:

    Good old frank zappa and the mothers of invention.

  448. m2elena says:

    Well, Miss E is up. Laundry washin’ etc.
    Bill I scrolled up to this morning, and fail to see where I have been personal. In fact, I don’t choose to gloat, b/c my participation here is not about forcing other people to think like me. That is what I meant about, there is no “right” or “wrong”…

    I dunno, but I think what “transpired after” was quite tame and regarding issues. I like to talk about politics, which means I am partisan. This place gives me a voice to discuss such things that I am passionate about. I would not “gloat” if you took a position sided to my view, —even if you previously called that ‘position’ conspiracy! LOL.

    Now. I’m sure we’ve all been through about 80% misunderstanding and 20% blame, I agree to not bring up the past again. Including the fairness doctrine. Just know, that it’s not about party for me, even if one calls themselves a “conservative”, it doesn’t mean anything. I just like to talk about issues.

    Hope you feel better from your headache, now you need some ibuprofen!

    I’ve been lucky, the allergies seem to have skipped me so far. Last year I had the worst sinus headache of my life. I had to get 2 rounds of antibiotics.

  449. m2elena says:

    LMAO…

    Indy wrote: When I see pelosi,reid, and obama together an image of the three stooges immediately comes to mind.

    belle wrote: When I see Pelosi, Reid, Fudd, and Dodd I call them the lollipop gang..

  450. Indycoltsfan says:

    I heard that Zappa at one of his concerts jumped up on the top of a grand piano and dropped a turd on it. I suppose he was pissed because it because it was out of tune. LOL!

  451. m2elena says:

    OMG.. indy that takes the ..cake?
    dirty!!

  452. VotingFemale says:

    And M2? I have not kept up with the threads between you and Bill… so all I can say is be nice dear… no personal attacks on Bill.

    I want you both to kiss and make up! but no french kissing! lol

    we have a Swine Flu epidemic of Enchanted Proportions to consider!

  453. Indycoltsfan says:

    Zappa was a sick puppy! LOL!

  454. Foxwood says:

    What there to live for
    Who needs the peace corps
    THink I’ll just drop out
    I’ll go to Frisco
    buy a wig and sleep on Owsleys door.
    Walk past the wig store
    Dance at the Filmore
    I’m compleatly stone
    I’m hippy and I’m dippy and I’m gypsy on my on.
    I’ll stay a week and get the crabs and take a buss back home
    I’m really just a phony but forgive me cus I’m stoned.

  455. m2elena says:

    I will not make a personal attack, and if I should- someone please tell me what it is, in case I am to oblivious and I will rectify that!

    I solemnly swear! 😉

  456. ohiobelle says:

    OMG! The Democrats are trying to push forward a deal that will allow the prisoners at Club Gitmo to obtain citizenship once they are tranfered to the United States. This will allow them to collect welfare and food stamps and everything other white flag program the Dems set up!!! The Republicans are fighting it but we know how that will turn out.

  457. ohiobelle says:

    hello M2, welcome back.

  458. LisaInTX says:

    Belle
    I voted straight Repub this past election…have no problem doing it again next time!! LOL…..or the year after or the year after that …..the Dem party is a total LOSS!!! sniff…..destroyed by the SMWP communist may they rot in hell next to Karl Marx and Saul Alinsky!

  459. m2elena says:

    Hey belle, I read yesterday 1 in 10 americans are on food stamps.

    1 in 10!
    now it will be 1 in 3 merciless, beheading-lovin’ terrorist are on food stamps?

  460. Indycoltsfan says:

    belle, don’t forget they will also be eligable for a citizen discount for their new suicide vests.

  461. ohiobelle says:

    Oh my god M2 and Indy are both correct! I think this administration is the biggest act of terrorism done to our country. It’s almost like a joke that is not going to end for another 1,100 days.. sigh.

  462. m2elena says:

    yep, I heard Holder tried to pawn off 1 Gitmo terrorist on Germany. I think they only accepted 1? But laughed in his face about taking more.

    Ahhhh, it’s good to be respected in the world!

  463. LisaInTX says:

    Did anyone catch Beck yesterday? he had a kick butt segment that showed about Totalitarian Gov v No Gov….it was just awesome!!!

  464. VotingFemale says:

    When you completed your voter registration you both picked a party… so it is on record and used for demographic statical purposes…
    and more importantly, it enables one to vote in a republican or democrat primary… people are not allowed to vote in both republican and democrat primaries. If you vote in person you can state which primary ballot you with regardless of your registered party.

    That’s what I know about that…

    LisaInTX says

    Guys
    Regarding switching parties—I was told I don’t have to do anything, that Texas does not show any party on the voters card on on file. they do show if you voted Dem or Repub for stats.
    All I have to do next time is ask for a republican ballot and I’m set!!
    They seemed NOT to know anything about the separate ‘pre-ballots’ that were mailed out this past election???? Joe, my husband got one with nothing but Republicans on it, while I got one with nothing but Dem’s on it??? Isn’t that strange that they didn’t know anything about that??? What the heck???
    Anyway—per them, I’m cool to vote for who ever I want…..Good to know!!

  465. ohiobelle says:

    And one more thing… does it bother anybody that Obama pronounces Pakistan Pokiston??? Drives me nuts! It’s almost as bad as the word CZAR!

  466. m2elena says:

    ah I missed what sounds like a good show Lisa. Maybe they will replay it on the weekend.

  467. Indycoltsfan says:

    The first thing the terrorist will do once they are released in the US will be to find a fertilizer store and buy some ammonium nitrate for their fertilizer bombs. You know how those f —ers love to blow shit up.

  468. VotingFemale says:

    Gotta run! duty calls!

    will check in later!

    Hi and Bye M2! Thanks for your comment dear!

  469. m2elena says:

    what bothers me is since he started pronouncing it like that all the lap-dog media do too!

  470. LisaInTX says:

    If they release those ‘enemy combatant’ in the USA, they had better put them next door to those that are giving them freedom or else!! I want one in Pelosi’s home to give her a thrill a minute and the rest need to go to other members of his cabinet!! hey, maybe one on the WH spare bedroom. Michelle I’m sure could handle another mouth to feed for the country she is FINALLY Proud of!!

  471. m2elena says:

    later VF…

  472. ohiobelle says:

    Indy wrote: The first thing the terrorist will do once they are released in the US will be to find a fertilizer store and buy some ammonium nitrate for their fertilizer bombs.

    That already happened. 35 bags of nitrate fertilizer was stolen from a company in Alabama. I’ll get the whole story. Give me a minute.

    Bye vf!

  473. m2elena says:

    ha ha indy… Terrorists have American civil rights too, don’t forget! The right to blow shit up!

    indy says: The first thing the terrorist will do once they are released in the US will be to find a fertilizer store and buy some ammonium nitrate for their fertilizer bombs. You know how those f —ers love to blow shit up.

  474. m2elena says:

    yeah Lisa, put those terrorists in the chambers of Congress. And let them go to town!

  475. ohiobelle says:

    Indy here you go.

    1,000 Pounds of high-grade nitrate fertilizer was stolen from company in Alabama…

    Burglars targeted a Tuscumbia business early Thursday morning. What’s most alarming is what the thieves took from business. The stolen property is potential dangerous material.

    Approximately 1,000 pounds of high-grade nitrate fertilizer was taken from Greens Keepers on Gann Boulevard in Tuscumbia. The company handles fertilization and weed control for residential and commercial lawns. The owner, John Wagner, says he’s been in business for twelve years and nothing like this has ever happened.

    “It’s very unusual,” says Wagner. “It was a very big shock to walk in at 7:00 a.m. and see all this gone.”

    Sometime early Thursday morning, burglars broke in the business. First, they tried to bust through this glass window in the front of the building. When that didn’t work, police say the crooks pried open the side door.

    “It appears that 25 to 30 bags of high-grade nitrate fertilizer was taken off the premises,” explains Wagner.

    The thieves stacked the bags of fertilizer onto one of the company trucks, attached a trailer to the back, and loaded a lawn mower on it. The crooks also rummaged through the office – grabbing two computers, an iPod, and a cordless phone.

    The stolen property is valued at several thousand dollars. For Wagner, that’s not the most unsettling part.

    “The cost of the fertilizer is not the issue, it’s the quantity and the potential for bad guys,” explains Wagner. ”

    Wagner worries that having the large amount of fertilizer in the wrong hands could lead to something very dangerous.

    “It could potentially be made into a bomb,” says Wagner.

    Tuscumbia police say as the burglars were driving off, the trailer, lawn mower, and some fertilizer fell off somewhere on King Street. Shortly after that, investigators say the burglars abandoned the truck on Sterling Boulevard.

    The truck and trailer were returned to Greens Keepers. Police are still on the hunt for the fertilizer and the people responsible for taking it.

    Right now, the Tuscumbia Police Department does not have any suspects and is asking for the public’s help to develop some leads. If you have any information about the crime or know where the fertilizer may be, call the Shoals Area CrimeStoppers at (256) 386 – 8685

  476. LisaInTX says:

    Vf
    All I know was that I was told I had to vote Dem in the primary as I was registered as a Dem???
    I think they suckered me in is what I’m thinking now!! But I did want to vote for Hillary….and NOT Obama….did know anything much about the Repub side at that point.
    Boy, did I learn fast though after Hillary got thrown under the bus by the DNC!!!

  477. m2elena says:

    interesting Belle. In a different world the mainstream media would consider this a “story”…

    Not in O’s Enchanted world though!

  478. ohiobelle says:

    How is that for bomb material?? Why isn’t mainstream media covering this story?? It happened on May 1st or 2nd.

  479. karmahd says:

    Does this blog need more males LOL. I see Bill had fun today, I say we move all the terrorist to Washington DC so “The Prince” can keep a very close eye on them…

  480. m2elena says:

    They’re too busy kissing ass, and the government is too busy creating a lexicon of citizens to target.

  481. ohiobelle says:

    Lisa, I think Hillary should leave Obamas administration and should fill that opening in the supreme court.

  482. m2elena says:

    karma, that’s what I said… move them into the house and senate chambers, we can let them clean “house” so to speak.

    Ah lawwrrrd… will the secret service be after me?
    It’s joke.

    Secret service, nevermind- we’ll vote the power-fat butts out.. ha ha ha..

  483. LisaInTX says:

    Belle
    That is just incredible!! Why aren’t they covering it?? Very obvious IMO….
    Do you guy’s and gals ever hope this is nothing but a bad dream and hope to wake up and find it nothing but a really horrible nightmare?
    This is so intense and we are being attacked not only on the war front, but by our very own government now. This is just “F-BOMB” unreal!!

  484. ohiobelle says:

    Hello Karma! The beagle is doing just fine.

    M2 wrote: They’re too busy kissing ass, and the government is too busy creating a lexicon of citizens to target.

    That’s true. They are too busy dividing us to see the true terrorist. The detainees will probably be given a job at the White House.

  485. ohiobelle says:

    If it’s still called the White House after 4 years. lol That name might offend people.

  486. karmahd says:

    They will never see American soil, this was all under the radar until a couple of days ago. I believe and I have not read all the above comments but think it is going to be blocked and Gitmo will reopen, in a more kinder gentler way from what I have read. They waterboarding will be with Mineral Water from now on…

  487. ohiobelle says:

    Lisa wrote: Belle
    That is just incredible!! Why aren’t they covering it??

    Probably because the Obamas had their first date night.

  488. karmahd says:

    I think I saw a bill pass to change the name of the White House to the OPP center or AKA Obama Pimp Palace, ohhhh boy Isuck will love that one!!

  489. LisaInTX says:

    Belle
    At least from there ‘maybe” she’d not have as quick a say in disarming the people…she is on my shit list too after stating the guns in Mexico were mostly coming from America!! Lying bull crap!!! I think that entire Admin is made up of nothing but Communist at this point!! As my dad used to say, Commie-Pink-o’s….

  490. ohiobelle says:

    Karma wrote: They will never see American soil, this was all under the radar until a couple of days ago. I believe and I have not read all the above comments but think it is going to be blocked and Gitmo will reopen, in a more kinder gentler way from what I have read. They waterboarding will be with Mineral Water from now on…

    That’s a good one about the mineral water.
    The Dems are trying to allow the detainees to obtain citizenship once they are transfered over. The Republicans are fighting it but we all know how that will turn out. I honestly believe they will be coming to a prison near us very soon.

  491. m2elena says:

    You mean the Obama’s don’t give you “tingly feelings” up your legs? And you are not enchanted by their “date”?? Shit, we have real Obama stories happening here, the American public must know! It is American Idol President Edition!

    Ha ha !!!

    belle says: Probably because the Obamas had their first date night.

  492. karmahd says:

    And howdy all, got off work early, usually when I come on everyone leaves!!!

  493. LisaInTX says:

    Hi Karma
    Right on!! Let congress and the enchanted ones admin deal PERSONALLY with those guys in their lives!!

  494. m2elena says:

    The “enchanted ones” – I love that.

    Woot woot! off work early is always a good thing.

  495. Indycoltsfan says:

    damn bell!! scary! I was just trying to be funny and didn’t mean it literally! Do you think Tim mcveigh is back from the dead. If people can come back to life on ireport why not tim mcveigh. LOL!

  496. karmahd says:

    Well if they allow them in I say lets identify them with a big T tattoo’ed to there foreheads, that will also serve as a target!

  497. LisaInTX says:

    yeah, those that refer to the Presidential residence as the “White house” will all be called racist!!! I can see it now!! 😐

  498. karmahd says:

    If they attempt to take guns you will see a sweeping change in the next election trust me, they are too smart for that, they are just making ammo out of site and you cannot get brass anymore, Lisa knows about this, I have two 5 gallon buckets full of 223, 45, and 40 cal brass, I have been lugging around for 10 years, it just might come in handy!!!

  499. Indycoltsfan says:

    Hi karma!! Are they still beating you up on ireports?

  500. ohiobelle says:

    M2 wrote: You mean the Obama’s don’t give you “tingly feelings” up your legs? And you are not enchanted by their “date”??

    Heck no! Those tingly feelings must mean it’s time to shave.. haha

    Indy wrote: damn bell!! scary! I was just trying to be funny and didn’t mean it literally! Do you think Tim mcveigh is back from the dead.

    I think our government thinks that my terrorist friend.. lol

  501. karmahd says:

    OK off to the gym, I have to watch my girlish figure, be back on later.

  502. ohiobelle says:

    Lisa wrote: yeah, those that refer to the Presidential residence as the “White house” will all be called racist!!! I can see it now!!

    I guarantee that will happen. It’s going to be called the Czars Castle when Obama is done.

    Karma, I am with you on that T tat! lol

  503. karmahd says:

    Indy I dont go there very often anymore, just a bunch of pissed of shallow minded piss ants, I never tried to be right on Ireports just offer well founded structured thoughts, and I get slammed for doing so. So they can eat shit and die for all I care…and Hey Indy

  504. LisaInTX says:

    Indy
    It’s amazing what can be researched online..how to make c4 and all kinds of crazy crap. years ago my son located some kind of ‘cookbook’ and it was nothing but stuff like that. He found it at SCHOOL of all places and thought it a hoot. Today, if he was to go to that type of a link, I’m sure he’d be imprisoned for it!! This admin has gone off the deep end with their reckless accusations of “Who is a Terrorist” and who they deem a ‘threat’ to our nation.

  505. ohiobelle says:

    Karma wrote: Indy I dont go there very often anymore, just a bunch of pissed of shallow minded piss ants..

    You must be talking about iCry… lol

  506. ohiobelle says:

    C’mon Karma, you don’t like being called a switch hitter by the cry babies. I laughed when I read that iCry comment.

  507. karmahd says:

    Yes Ohio that is exactly what I am talking about, all the genius is on here, that is just puke and spew, talking points offered by the daily DSA email. They are just to closed minded, look beyond politics, it is just a game and when you have played it for as long as I have, you see motive, they see utopia!!!

  508. LisaInTX says:

    Karma
    Absolutely…allot of ammo is getting higher by the day it seems? We did find brass though at Walmart–I’m sure it was made in China …but they were around $10 a box for remmington….not bad considering a few months ago we paid over $20 a box.

  509. karmahd says:

    Well I will show them I can swing the bat both lefty and righty LOL, I have my Irish walking stick at the front door, a hickory ax handle with a tether and grip tape on it…

  510. ohiobelle says:

    Karma, I couldn’t agree with you more. I bet they are just wishing they had found wordpress before vf did… they won’t last long with nobody to attack. They’d probably start turning on eachother.. lol

  511. karmahd says:

    Lisa I used to have a progressive press with dies for both 45 and 40 cal but I got rid of it and I am sorry I did, I might check ebay to see if there are any Dillion 550’s on there, you can pump out 1000 rounds in a couple of hours.

  512. LisaInTX says:

    Oldschools latest rant report is just MORE rabid Left bullcrap. I had thought MUCH better of him than that and it was a disappointment to see even him regress back into slavery and throwing the ‘Ninja” race card.

  513. ohiobelle says:

    Karma, hahhahahahahaha!!!! LMAO! Well they know now… iTroll will be reporting that soon enough.

    Karma wrote: Well I will show them I can swing the bat both lefty and righty LOL, I have my Irish walking stick at the front door, a hickory ax handle with a tether and grip tape on it…

  514. karmahd says:

    Lisa and Ohio, I think Oldskool is being used, he seems like a sharp kid, I cannot understand the motive for this unless he is being coached. This has nothing to do with race, or at least it does not to me, and I think most people feel that way. I live by the creed, green is the only color I see, you start to mess with that and you will hear about it!!

  515. ohiobelle says:

    The iTrolls would feed on their young to continue their hateful ways on iCry…

  516. LisaInTX says:

    Karma
    Cool!! Hope you find another one.
    My husband was using another brand called “Wolfe” i think and it sure dirtied up his barrel….cheap ammo sucks so he has used ONLY brass casings since then.
    As to making our own ammo—I remember my dad doing that, but that was only like 40 years ago..lol…he also showed me how to churn home made butter and I can’t remember that either..hahaha….time to start re-learning the things I’ve forgotten over the years…heeee

  517. karmahd says:

    Hey all the blowhards on Ireport are not honest, they hide behind avatars, they create new avatars when they are banned, they have no honor, they do not wish to debate they wish to tell and yell, that just is not productive, they are not interested in there country, they want what they feel is there’s and do not wish to sacrifice to get it, they want the world handed to them and they have bought into the snakeoil salesman “The Prince” Mr. Mac Daddy, he will take from the rich and give to the disinfranchised!!!

  518. ohiobelle says:

    I am trying to remember who oldschool is… does his picture have his dog in it??

  519. rosehips says:

    karma, shoot off to the gym so soon. I missed you and you missed all the fun!

  520. karmahd says:

    Hey Lisa Wolf is some of the best cheap ammo you can get, the power is dirty but I used to shoot a lot and competitive at one point and I could hit 1.5 at 25 yrds consistently with my 45 with that stuff. You cant find it anywhere around here!!

  521. ohiobelle says:

    Is oldschools avatar a picture of him holding his dog??

  522. karmahd says:

    Hey Rose I do have to hit the hoops, (weights) I will be back on later, just wanted to offer some fodder for the trolls!!!

  523. rosehips says:

    just saw an article in my local paper saying that ammo has been sold out here.

  524. rosehips says:

    ok, karma….work hard so you can come back and play hard with us!

  525. LisaInTX says:

    It fired great and consistent, but left the barrel soooo dirty. Joe had to clean it after every practice….he is really just being ‘lazy’ IMO and thought that the cheaper one made it just too dirty…LOL…It was recommended at the spoorting good store where we bought it.
    Oopps………BECK is on folks…gotta run..

  526. karmahd says:

    Yeah I know Rose, I think Oldschool has had several avatars, his most current is a picture of him. I actually thought he was level headed and progressive until I saw the hate post??? Does not make sense??

  527. ohiobelle says:

    Beck is on… I’ll be back.

  528. ohiobelle says:

    If oldschool is the guy I am thinking of.. avatar was him holding his dog then I’ve never had any problems with him. Kind of upsets me that he’s changed. I liked talking to him, if it’s the person I am thinking of. I’ll check it out.

  529. Foxwood says:

    Damn Karma,

    I keep waiting, but your still here. We can’t talk bad about you till you leave. 🙂

    Karma said:
    “And howdy all, got off work early, usually when I come on everyone leaves!!!”

  530. ohiobelle says:

    Lisa, Thank you for sending that link. I don’t think it is oldschool that I am thinking of. Maybe butterfly66?? I am still looking on iCry.

  531. Foxwood says:

    Lisa, Karma,

    Montana is passing the law I was talking about yesterday. Texas is in the process. They are removing gun regulation. Montana says, if the Feds have anything to say about it, they will secede.

  532. Foxwood says:

    Movein’ to Montana soon,
    gonna be a dental floss tycoon.

  533. LisaInTX says:

    LMAO—-ACORN Head guy pulled the Race card on Beck and Beck showed him the studio door!!! GO BECK!!!!!!!LMAO—-ahahahahahhahaaaa

  534. ohiobelle says:

    Hey guys I would love to stick around but I’ve got to start on dinner. Everybody have a nice evening. Talk to you guys later!

  535. ohiobelle says:

    I love the way Beck handled ACORN!!! The stupid loser couldn’t even get a date! hahaha
    WAY TO GO GLENN!!!!!
    Talk to you later.

  536. Foxwood says:

    The guy was a real pr*ck. Someone needed to punch him out. Yeah, I know. Wouldn’t prove anything, but it would be cathartic.

  537. Foxwood says:

    I’ll be in and out also. Gotta cook.

  538. LisaInTX says:

    Fox
    Thanks for the info. That sounds like a REAL plan that Montana has going….And even better once Texas follows suit with them!!
    After all the insults from the “Dem Admin”…I’m ready for whatever our state decides to do either way!!!!!!!!
    LOL@being a dental floss tycoon…hahahaaaa

  539. LisaInTX says:

    I trust my STATE government over the Fed’s now….the lying political blame spewing bastards and bitches can KISS MY A$$…..and after today, they can KISS MY ELEPHANTS ASS!! They have drawn the line of which there is NO return, IMO.

    The Dem party is a TOTAL LOSS to those that used to believe in it!
    Clinton was on an apology mission today for something that the USA had not been verified in even doing in Afganistan!!! They are setting our troops up for a horrible death over there….and it breaks my heart. My son is over there fighting for a government administration that HATES HIS GUTS and he doesn’t even know it!!
    I can’t say any of this on the phone for fear THEY are listening and will hurt him some way….this just makes me SICK!!!!

  540. karmahd says:

    Fox I am back don’t leave me please don’t leave me!!!

  541. karmahd says:

    Alas alone again, boooo whooooo…

  542. Foxwood says:

    Alas, Karma, I found me a pistol packin momma.

  543. Foxwood says:

    BRB, gotta clean the dishes now.

  544. rosehips says:

    anybody home?

  545. karmahd says:

    Making dinner myself Foxwood, and you will find several pistol packing mommas on here!!

  546. rosehips says:

    i’ve got a pistol but no ammo. wah.

  547. rosehips says:

    karma, still here?

  548. Foxwood says:

    I’m here Rose.

    What’s for supper, Karma?

  549. LisaInTX says:

    Rose
    Shoulda bought back when I first said what good is an unloaded gun? LOL…..;-} When do they think the next shipment will arrive? Maybe you can get on the waiting list…heeee

  550. LisaInTX says:

    Hubby home–gotta run–BBL

  551. rosehips says:

    lisa, I did try back then but they were sold out. oh well…

    I gotta go…bbl.

  552. Foxwood says:

    Speaking of Zappa and the Mutha’s (earlier)
    Smoke on the Water – Deep Purple from the album Machine Head (1972)
    Ian Gillan was the lead voice for Deep Purple and also sang as Jesus in the 1970 album Jesus Christ Superstar. Later was replace in the play by Ted Neeley.

  553. Oh my gosh, what a stinking corrupt, deadbeat mafia wannabe. Who elected this goofball anyway? He just totally makes me SICK!

    Plus you guys know the WHITE HOUSE threatend Chrysler! see my post on that one. disgusting!

  554. rosehips says:

    ahhh deep purple…brings back vivid memories foxy. well, maybe not exactly vivid.

  555. gosh, what happened on my head? there’s fire in the sky?

  556. Foxwood says:

    Wow… Never thought of playing Smoke on the Water with a violin although I did play Ironman on it once.

  557. Foxwood says:

    Don’t take the brown acid…

  558. never, only colorful.

  559. Foxwood says:

    Warrantonegirl,

    Checked it out. I know it to be true. Only over 1000 days left.

  560. Foxwood says:

    Look out. Napoleon is going to take your puppies. They will come back to bite you.

    Debt and Servitude

  561. LisaInTX says:

    Karma
    Thanks for the Wolf site. :-} We must have bought the ‘BiMetal” jackets… they had black casings not the shiny brass or copper.

  562. LisaInTX says:

    Foxwood
    Great post!! I left you a comment too. ;-}

  563. Indycoltsfan says:

    Hello All. Some of you are talking guns tonight. You got ot check out this bad ass shotgun.

  564. LisaInTX says:

    Rose
    Most of the local gun shops can order the shells for you….least the ones here do.
    I’d order some just to have them on hand personally. It took several weeks to get bullets for an old 38 Colt that my husband inherited from his grandfather. It was made in 1908 and is in mint condition!!

  565. Indycoltsfan says:

    Hi Lisa! Check out my bad ass shotgun video.

  566. rosehips says:

    lol indy, just when we wean ourselves of foreign oil, when our cars run on alternatives and we convert all gas powered engines to biofuels and electricity and hydrogen and air, we’ll need to still invade oil rich countries to operate the guns that will kill the people in the countries where we want the oil to power the guns to …well, you see where im going with this, eh? lol. that is one scary gun.
    Has anyone mentioned the story about how Blackwater guards asked a contractor to dump the guns used to kill innocent civilians? Bad Blackwater, bad boys.

  567. Indycoltsfan says:

    Hi Rose, How are you? It seems everyone else is awol. LOL!

  568. LisaInTX says:

    Indy
    HOLY COW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Now I’m REALLY worried!! What IF ObamaNation gets that weapon and uses it against the people???? HOLY CRAP!!
    My husband watched the video too and he freaked out and wants one now!! LOL…..I’ve never seen a shotgun fire like that—no recoil????WOW….300 rounds a minute???HOLY MOO COW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  569. LisaInTX says:

    Rose
    You didn’t watch the WHOLE video—that weapon is made of several different metals including stainless steel and has ZERO maintenance!!
    That is the MOST SCARIEST WEAPON I’ve ever seen personally. The power of a shotgun with the capacity to fire 300 rounds per minute!!! It is meant for nothing but death!! Take NO PRISONERS….HOLY COW!!

  570. Indycoltsfan says:

    Lisa, Check this out. This gun will kick some ass too.

  571. LisaInTX says:

    And that is not the whole story—it can also fire grenade like shells that explode into a rain of shrapnel….and are also armor piercing to boot!! HOLY MOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COW!!!!!

  572. Foxwood says:

    Still here… just doing research. Oh, and watching that dastardly Sherman on the history channel.

  573. Indycoltsfan says:

    Yea Lisa, It’s the ultimate home defense weapon. LOL!If I pointed that weapon at a terrorist and it wouldn’t be long before you would see the turd balls rolling down their pant legs. LOL!

  574. LisaInTX says:

    I would say that is a FULL Automatic that just shot off about 100 rounds in less than 20 seconds!
    I’ll stay conservative with the semi-auto thank you….lol They were having way too much fun with their deadly toys, sounded like…

  575. rosehips says:

    lisa, no I didn’t watch the whole thing. it is scary and I really don’t get excited over killing machines. they make me feel kinda sad. Especially knowing how excited people get over them and that they actually are thinking about killing their own fellow citizens. sigh.

  576. Indycoltsfan says:

    Just think. The aa-12 is a deer hunters dream gun. You could take out a whole heard in one trigger pull. LOL! That would be too easy and kind of take the sport out of it. LOL!

  577. LisaInTX says:

    Foxwood
    That’s right!! Sherman was on tonight and I was gonna watch that. Have they decided if he was a ‘bad’ guy or a ‘good’ guy?
    I’ve always heard he was a murdering bastard that burned a trail thru the South in order to stop the south from getting supplies?? But as an adult, I heard he did that hoping to end the war sooner?

  578. Foxwood says:

    Forgot the 🙂

  579. LisaInTX says:

    Indy
    No doubt the turd balls would flow freely like the Mississippi river!! LOL

  580. Indycoltsfan says:

    rose, most gun enthusiast are not violent people and don’t want to hurt anyone. I am not a gun enthusiast but I do like to shoot holes in paper targets.

  581. Foxwood says:

    Ed Herman did the comments. That said, he appears to be the A bomb of the Civil War. He wanted to end the war fast, with minimum casualties. Depends on what side your on whether he was good or evil.

  582. VF girl, just keep these posts rolling out and notifying the public about what a scum bag he is.

    THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.!

  583. LisaInTX says:

    Rose
    Hmmm…..so you are saying that people that watch videos that portray guns or weapons are REALLY wanting to only murder their fellow human beings? Should I be offend at this point or just pissed off to be classified as a blood thirty warmonger that wants to murder everyone human I meet?

  584. arlenearmy says:

    This story further shows that Obama as thuggish and a mobster. When Obama fired GM CEO, I realized then that Obama was a big threat to private industry. Now he’s busting knee caps on Chrysler’s retirees & investors.

    We’ve been getting several telemarketing phone calls about the Obama home re-mortgage plan. I g0t a feeling that he’s trying to nationalize every aspect of our lives. Instead of private home-ownership, every home might be considered as Section 8 housing because Obama want to own them all. All apartment might turn into welfare projects.

    Well folks, we all will be FORCED to take welfare.

  585. LisaInTX says:

    foxwood
    My family fought in the Civil war on both sides. It was a no win either way as I see it.
    My grandfather on my fathers side fought for the South, not because he wanted too, but because the war erupted on top of them on their lands in the Lookout Mountain area of AL/GA.

  586. Indycoltsfan says:

    Hi, Arlene. how are you? I hope we can rescue this country before it’s too late.

  587. LisaInTX says:

    Hi Arlene!!! Good to hear fro you. You doing okay? How are things with your mom?

  588. arlenearmy says:

    We got new Lowes home improvement credit card because we were gonna get a bigger bath tub. No interest if bill pay off in 12 months. We decided to not use that credit card for several reasons. We heard that Obama green bill will penalize folks if they get too big of a bath tub or jacuzzi. We might have to pay cash.

  589. LisaInTX says:

    Arlene
    LOL@ about the tub…..I’m with you–pay cash and let them sniff out your ‘terrorist feat’ of paying cash instead of charging it…heeee ;-}

  590. Foxwood says:

    Hey Arlene,
    It looks like womb to the tomb. And they want to take your children as well. Get that public school indoctrination in as early as possible.

    Got to go to bed. Work tomorrow.

  591. LisaInTX says:

    WE did our home improvement in Oct 2007-Feb 08 and BOY am I glad we got that done before all hell broke loose!! I’d be really careful about ANY documents coming from this admin and have an atty read it over with a fine toothed comb before signing any of it! I have deep suspicions that the wording will remove private ownership from the individuals and put it into the gov ownership…..

  592. LisaInTX says:

    Night Foxwood….Arlene, you should visit Foxwood’s new report….it was a GOOD ONE!!

  593. rosehips says:

    lisa, sorry if I came off offensive. I don’t think I am thinking clear enough to explain. I was just reacting to how the video made ME feel. I should just stick to my own feelings and not project how other people feel or think. That’s not right of me. I feel sad when I see guns that are designed to kill humans and when I hear talk about gun violence within our own borders. it’s sad enough thinking about war overseas but it is getting closer and I don’t know if there is any way we can stop it from escalating. It just scares me.
    Please don’t be pissed off or offended. I like you and I sure don’t want to be on your bad side. lol.

  594. LisaInTX says:

    Rose
    Don’t sweat it girlfriend. That shotgun SHOCKED the snot out of me!! I’ve NEVER seen such a gun as that and it should scare anyone that comes in contact with it too. It is designed for ONLY one purpose. Like Indy said, it could take down a whole herd of deer in seconds, so imagine what it could do on the streets? Or in a war zone in close contact? Most bullets can be deflected or dodged, but not a scatter gun!
    Anyway—-I hear ya about being scared…I am too. 😐 Not for myself, but for our country and our troops overseas.

  595. LisaInTX says:

    I’m headed to bed—Night everyone:-}

  596. karmahd says:

    OK I am here everyone can leave now LOL. Guns are fun, I don’t hunt, but like Foxwood I like to shoot at targets, old cars, certain people, kidding, they have competitive shooting events where you can walk thorough a course of set up targets and situations. Very much like basic police training, its a lot of fun and can be stressful too, gets the heart pumping. Then there is always other training that can be fun, shooting targets at 250-1000 yards is a hoot. sorry I like to shoot, I will get off my rant, night all.

  597. Foxwood says:

    GOOD MORNING VIETNAM!

    Earache my eye – Cheech and Chongs from the album Wedding Album (1974)

  598. rosehips says:

    karma, I can understand how people like to shoot. I have done it just a couple times and I think I would be an awsome shot if I worked at it. If I can shoot guns anywhere near as good as I shoot baskets, I’d be a real “marksman”. Or is it “markswoman”?

    Foxy, Cheech and Chong was the very first concert I ever went to in about 9th or 10th grade. We had front row seats in a “theater go round” which had a revolving stage. Cheech wore his tu tu and they played music and there was a distinct reefer smell emanating from the stage. Not sure if it was real, but it sure helped set the atmosphere. Cheech and Chong rocks! I’d like to see them again. I heard they are touring.

  599. VotingFemale says:

    Morning All!

    Hi Rose! Hi Fox!

    have been busy this morning with a new blog post… it should be interesting. 😉

    just proof reading it now and making editing changes…

    I will be along shortly!

  600. Foxwood says:

    I’m trying to remember my first concert, but I skipped a groove again. I’m surprised my brain even functions. Think it was Steppenwolf. Nothing like seeing 500 drunk bikers singing “Born to be Wild”.

  601. rosehips says:

    hi vf!

    funny foxy. I was lucky to live in the NY suburbs, so I got lots of ops to see lots of bands. I don’t know why I didn’t see more. I suppose it was a money thing…

  602. rosehips says:

    did you say where you are from foxy? where did you grow up? live now?

  603. Foxwood says:

    Morning VF,

    Gotta go girls. They need me at work. Get your motor runnin’,

  604. rosehips says:

    I suppose I should visit your blog. maybe I can find out more about you. I noticed you visited mine but you were too hesitant to stay. or cautious. or cowardly. haha

  605. rosehips says:

    bye foxy! talk ta ya later.

  606. rosehips says:

    so foxy, you were/are a drunk biker?

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