Obama Approval falls to 43% on eve of landmark House vote on ObamaCare, so says Rasmussen Reports

As Obama campaigns for passage of ObamaCare in the final hours before a Sunday vote in the House on his center piece ObamaCare legislation, his Job Approval slips to 43% with a job approval index of -21.

Rasmussen Reports' 03-20-10 Obama Job Approval Breakout

AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

The One has been videoed this week stating he doesn’t care about his job approval poll numbers. Well well well… that means he doesn’t care what the Majority of Voters think.

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277 Responses to Obama Approval falls to 43% on eve of landmark House vote on ObamaCare, so says Rasmussen Reports

  1. Foxwood says:

    The switchboard is still open. Keep calling.

    Rattle the Socialist Cages in Washington!

    Toll Free Whitehouse Switchboard number: 877-762-8762
    or toll at:
    202-224-3121

    Call your favorite Democrat and tell them what you think of this POS healthcare bill.

    Here is the House URL to get some names: http://www.house.gov/

  2. Foxwood says:

    Here are some of the swing voters!

    Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411
    Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588
    Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914
    Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643
    John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107
    Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028
    Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757
    Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1145
    Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999
    Mark Schauer (202) 225-6276 (517) 780-9075
    Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227
    Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462)
    Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813
    Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500
    John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371
    Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150
    Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146
    Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657
    Earl Pomneroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355
    Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723
    Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196
    Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300
    Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038
    Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963
    Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988
    Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200
    John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114
    Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291
    Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422
    Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000
    Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954

    A list of more names and how they will most likely vote.

    http://www.nrcc.org/CodeRed/targets/

  3. Foxwood says:

    “That’s why you CNN fans only get half the news half the time and come on here so very misinformed all of the time.”

    I would like to affirm that comment and add to it. There are those that don’t subscribe to the Daily KOS or CPUSA, but mouth the same words. Maybe they didn’t get them from there specifically, but they were taught or got those beliefs from someone who did get them from there.

  4. LisaInTX says:

    Good afternoon folks…a quick comment before I head out to feed in the rain—
    My thoughts are the commies in charge WILL pass this monster and there is NOTHING anyone can do to stop it….
    I talked with my Obama voting friend yesterday on the phone and she informed me that it was ALL the repubs fault that the healthcare bill is over 2000 pages! LOL….she seems to think it is so large because Obama and company are trying so very hard to please and include all the republicans!!! LMAO–HAHAHHAHAHHA
    As I see it these days, The evil lies on both sides of that isle…REAL HEALTHCARE REFORM is not possible due to the absolute and total corruption within the elected masses.

  5. samiam60 says:

    Sami is home from work and now on station at the VotingFemale Blog post! :) !

    I must first respond to questions posed to me this morning and afternoon.

    My Dearest Rosie,Rosie,Rosie, I am truly sorry if you took my CNN comment as a personal insult to you. I want you to know here and now that wether we agree or not on all the issues that I samiam60 hold you in high regard and consider you a highly intelligent Female of the liberal Class.

    Concerning your affiliation to CNN, I can only say if the shoe fits, wear it.
    Personally I think you may be a closet Beck Fan.

    Samuel H Henry my dear,

    Concerning my dear neighbor lady. :) It would appear the long hours I work have put a strain on that “relationship”. also, being that she read some of my comments on this blog concerning her and without my knowledge seems to have lets say Pissed her off. lol

    Thirdly but not lastly, being that she has recently pressed for a commitment above and beyond the call of duty up to and including leaving the blog for all time and devoting myself to her exclusively. Well, never mind, lets just say I’m still here aren’t I.

    Read this and weep neighbor! :(

  6. samiam60 says:

    This is the current blog post, right?

  7. samiam60 says:

    I am willing to bet the people at the tea party rally who uttered those racist rants were planted there by the SEIU or other left wing loon’s.

  8. samiam60 says:

    Rangle is accusing people at the DC rally of hurling racial slurs. I don’t believe it. IT IS A SET UP AND WILL START A RACE WAR!

  9. samiam60 says:

    Black Lawmakers Allege Health Care Protesters Hollered Racial Epithets at Them

    By Chad Pergram

    Reps. John Lewis, D-Ga., and Andre Carson, D-Ind., both members of the Congressional Black Caucus, allege that a group of protesters hollered at them and called them the N-word.

  10. samiam60 says:

    Thousands health care reform opponents descended on Capitol Hill Saturday to rally against Sunday’s major vote on the package.

    But some of the protesters targeted a handful of black members of Congress and one gay lawmaker as they walked from the House office buildings to the Capitol to vote.

    Reps. John Lewis, D-Ga, and Andre Carson, D-Ind., both members of the Congressional Black Caucus, allege that a group of protesters hollered at them and called them the N-word.

    “They were just shouting. Harassing,” Lewis said. “People being downright mean.”

    Lewis was one of the most pivotal figures of the civil rights struggle. He spoke alongside Dr. Martin Luther King at the Lincoln Memorial during the “I Have a Dream” speech. And Alabama State Police fractured the congressman’s skull as he led a march across the Edmund Pettus Bridge on what became known as “Bloody Sunday” in 1965.

    “It’s okay, I’ve faced this before,” said Lewis of Saturday’s incident. “I haven’t heard anything like this in 40, 45 years. Since the march to Selma, really.”

    Andre Carson is one of only two Muslims in Congress and was born nine years after “Bloody Sunday.” Carson conceded he wasn’t used to hearing such epithets.

    “The beauty is that I was walking with a good sage who had been there before,” Carson said, who with Lewis at the time.

    First elected in 1970, Rep. Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y., is one of the founding members of the Congressional Black Caucus.

    “You don’t see any black folks in these groups,” said Rangel. “Ever, ever, ever, ever, ever.”

    Rangel suggested that some of the protesters knew Lewis’ story and deliberately went after him.

    “They knew what he represented,” he said.

    Fellow CBC member Rep. Bobby Scott, D-Va., said nothing would surprise him from some of the bands of health care protesters.

    “I have never heard anyone campaign for their freedom to be uninsured. I’ve never heard anyone campaign against Medicare,” said Scott. “That’s what you’re dealing with.”

    But African American lawmakers weren’t the only targets of the protesters’ invective. Rep. Joe Crowley, D-N.Y., alleges some of the demonstrators also castigated Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who is gay.

    “I don’t even want to repeat it,” said Crowley when asked what they said to Frank.

    A spokeswoman for the U.S. Capitol Police said she was unaware of any law enforcement inquiry into the incidents.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/20/health-care-protesters-hurl-verbal-epithets-african-american-lawmakers/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Text+-+Politics%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo

  11. samhenry says:

    Am I in the right place now Sami? I am so tired and confused!

  12. samiam60 says:

    So good to see you here SamH. YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

  13. samhenry says:

    Sorry I cut out Sami but I had to finish an update of the BRAIN FOOD DIGEST on my blog. I did a thing on George Berhard Shaw – a socialist before Barack.

    Thanks for the unparalleled joy of having the Ole Dawg on the blog this PM. The DOG likes to see you happy and is humbled that seeing the DOG does the trick.

    As for the girlfriend – seems a tad jealous of us here. But also I cannot tolerate possessive “sweethearts.” They are toxic. You can’t breathe, you can’t be yourself.

    At my time of life, a little male companionship is lovely – as long as he has his house; I have mine. Even in a depression, this has to hold or I will go mad. I am used to independence but I am a tad dependent on the men in my life for love, affection and protection. The DOG knows limits!

  14. samhenry says:

    I’m wrapping up and winding down.

    Love to all

    The DOG

  15. ohiobelle says:

    Sorry for not being around today. I wouldn’t miss tomorrow for the world!!

    See you guys tomorrow!!

  16. roxannadanna says:

    Even if we lose this battle tomorrow, the war is not over. This bill will be tied up in court for years, with so many states alone, filing suits. Not to mention private entities like Levin’s.
    And November will come… there can’t be too much they can do before now and then considering how long it’s taken for this health care bill to finally reach a vote. Anything else (crap and trade or amnesty) will take this long or longer. November will come and this can start to be undone because they will be gone!

  17. VotingFemale says:

    Good Morning Everyone!

    Good to see you comment last evening Lisa :)

    Roxy, The Socialists ignored the Voting Majority… and that will be to their bitter sorrow.

    They have minimized and personally attacked us and they will pay for this.

    An entire new generation of Americans who supported Obama just got their first civics lesson in raw Communism and they are getting more pissed daily…

    The 60s revolutionaries (communist operatives) and their spawn (the Obama Progressive Socialists) are out of their league. They have no idea who powerful the Mighty Tea Party Movement has become and is becoming.

  18. samiam60 says:

    Good Morning my Fellow Patriots :)

  19. samiam60 says:

    Guess they are still underestimating us.

  20. VotingFemale says:

    Good Morning Sammy!

  21. samiam60 says:

    Good Morning VF :)

    One way or another History will be made today!

  22. samiam60 says:

    We the People will be on the ” Right” side of History.

  23. VotingFemale says:

    That is true, Sammy.

    This is not a slam dunk for Pelosi.
    The Tea Party Movement forced Pelosi to abandon Deem and Pass.

    Now… pro-life DEMs like Stupak & Co who vote for ObamaCare will be cutting their political throats.

    there are other issues such as voting on amendments the Senate Bill which is not a law.

    The plan as of right now is to first vote to amend to Senate Bill then to vote on the Senate bill as is.

  24. samiam60 says:

    Freedom VS Socialism/Marxism to be decided today.

  25. samiam60 says:

    How have you been VF. I do so miss being on this blog as before.

    Obama has changed the course of my life already and not in a good way.

  26. samhenry says:

    DOG radios in from manned drone

    “Will be flying cover for Republicans and Tea Partiers while the fate of the nation is in the balance. The drone is armed today with intimidating information for the dark side. Over and out. Late night is my blogging time.”

  27. VotingFemale says:

    Two guys each held up a sign at yesterday’s DC Tea Party Rally called Code Red.

    The two signs says if Brown can not stop ObamaCare then a Browning can and a pick of a semi-automatic pistol was shown.

    The Left Stream Media is using that to paint all Tea Partiers as violent extremists.

    A guy allegedly spit on Clyburn and called him a n****r.

    Some people allegedly called Barney Frank a faggot to his face.

    While these were but a few isolated incidences the Left Stream Media is having a feeding frenzy on it.

    That is the problem with having the Left Stream Media at an 80% majority of the American Media business.

    Without the Left Stream Media, ObamaCare would not ever become law.

  28. VotingFemale says:

    Good Morning SamHenry!

  29. samiam60 says:

    Good Morning SamHenry :)

  30. VotingFemale says:

    Your daily presence and inputs are deeply missed. I am so glad you have employment and can still find time to comment when you can, dear.

    I miss you!

    samiam60 says

    How have you been VF. I do so miss being on this blog as before.

    Obama has changed the course of my life already and not in a good way.

  31. Foxwood says:

    Sieg Heil und Guten Morgan fellow unAmerican Nazis!
    It’s time to unfurl the Confederate Swastika and fire the cannon!

  32. Foxwood says:

    Good morning SamH, Sami, and VF!

  33. samiam60 says:

    Thank you VF for the kind words. I count it an honor to be a part of this group of Patriots.

  34. samiam60 says:

    Good Morning Foxwood.

  35. Foxwood says:

    Global warming is here again! Some one needs to let AlGore in on the hoax. He got his FACTS wrong somewhere.

  36. VotingFemale says:

    Good Morning Foxwood!

    Al Gore is an embarrassment to the Socialists… Mr Chicken Little who keeps peep-peep-peeping no matter what.

    He is a world wide laughing stock and so is the Gore Global Warming Hoax.

  37. VotingFemale says:

    Sammy, you are part of a great blog team as we all are. Keep up your good work!

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  39. rosehips says:

    morning peeps!

    I was surprised to hear about the racial slurs and spitting incident at the Tea Party Rally yesterday. Although it is a miniscule percentage of Tea Partiers who would do such things, or condone them, I think it is all about perception.

    I looked at cnn, msnbc and fox websites to see what they were covering. Yesterday fox had the story at the top of its homepage, but now its buried. The only diff between their coverage and cnn’s was that fox called the incident alledged. I noticed today that many of the comments on Fox’s article about the spitting incident claim it probably didn’t happen. classic denial.
    If the Tea Party wants to continue to influence policy and politics, they better get their soldiers in line. It hurts their credibility.

    I noticed that Fox lists the 10 most read articles and this incident isn’t one of them. I know this is of interest to Fox watchers. I question whether Fox might be scrubbing their list in an attempt to make the story go away. Just a hunch.

  40. Foxwood says:

    Good morning Rose.

    “I know Glenn Beck told you so, but can you substantiate the claim? I sincerely doubt it.”

    Maybe you need to fact check before you opinionate. You’ll stop wasting your time and mine.

  41. rosehips says:

    I liken the perception that the Tea Party consists of a bunch of white racists to the perception that Liberals are a bunch of commies. It goes both ways, doesn’t it?

  42. Foxwood says:

    Obama is a commie, I don’t have any doubts. So what?

  43. Foxwood says:

    I think the problem is, you talk about facts, when you don’t do any research.

  44. rosehips says:

    foxy, my time is cheap. sorry if I’m wasting yours. My opinions are mine to do with what I want. Except or reject them.

    Even though my time is cheap, I will not waste it on fruitless pursuits like trying to disprove factless statements, unless a source is provided. It is much easier to try to disprove a statement if the source is provided. Since you have an aversion to doing this, I reserve my right to give my opinion and leave it at that.

  45. rosehips says:

    what fact did I try to claim? I can’t even remember the Glen Beck statement you cited…

  46. Foxwood says:

    Oh I left more good comments for you yesterday. You need to backtrack.

  47. rosehips says:

    already saw your comments and dismissed them. yawn.

  48. samiam60 says:

    Good Morning Rosie. I am committed to not getting into a debate of the allegations over racism.

    IMO, they were Paid by SEIU to look like Tea Party People for the sole purpose of discrediting the movement. But, that is just my Opinion and nothing more.

    I so see the possibility of this becoming violent.

    I think these Tea Party folks will be Provoked to violence and then guess what?

    Marshal Law!

  49. rosehips says:

    I would love to find out if this is true sami. What a scandal this would create! I’d love to help you prove this. Can you provide any facts that give you cause to opin this? I’ll start digging right away.

    sami: IMO, they were Paid by SEIU to look like Tea Party People for the sole purpose of discrediting the movement. But, that is just my Opinion and nothing more.

  50. samiam60 says:

    If this Obamacare bill is rejected I think we will see riots in the streets of DC, Chicago, Detroit, LA, New York and Cleveland.

    But, that is just my opinion once again.

  51. Foxwood says:

    So you saw yourself in the CPUSA faq then? :)

  52. rosehips says:

    Yes foxy, I agreed with almost everything the faq’s said. Did you not answer my question about what in them that you disaproved of? I’m curious.

  53. rosehips says:

    and did you not see that I called it propaganda?

  54. samiam60 says:

    Rosie my dear sweet little lib girlfriend,

    I am basing my opinion on the SEIU paid trouble makers who beat up a Conservative Black man at a Tea Party event and the bus loads of Union Thugs I saw showing up at the Town Hall Meetings.

    It would seem that, that is there MO.

  55. Foxwood says:

    What was that word… perception.

  56. rosehips says:

    I am not so naive as to buy what the Communist party portrays on their website as what they are all about. They portray a nice picture. If I was gullible and a follower, I might fall for it. However, I don’t buy the propaganda.

  57. samiam60 says:

    Rosie says:
    I am not so naive as to buy what the Communist party portrays on their website as what they are all about. They portray a nice picture. If I was gullible and a follower, I might fall for it. However, I don’t buy the propaganda.

    Rosie,

    I know that about you. I do not think you are a Communist.

  58. Foxwood says:

    Hmmmm… Obutthole doesn’t want to be called a Commie either, I’m sure.

  59. rosehips says:

    foxy, what you or others perceive me to be is of little consequence. Go ahead and call me a commie. Do you think it will affect my life in any way other than to be a slight annoyance. Not as bad as black flies, but more than a lone fly buzzing around a room. Sort of like gnats.

  60. rosehips says:

    thanks sami. ;)

  61. samiam60 says:

    Rosie,

    And we all know what Obama does to flies! lol

  62. Foxwood says:

    What others perceive makes a difference. I try to enhance perception to the best of my ability. Hope you haven’t minded.

  63. Foxwood says:

    You know other people read this blog and don’t comment. I’m sure they know you.

  64. Foxwood says:

    Made such a big deal about perception a while ago? So which comment that you made is the lie?

  65. Foxwood says:

    Conference room.

  66. samiam60 says:

    I am finding nothing there Foxwood?

  67. Foxwood says:

    Just finished.

  68. rosehips says:

    foxy, I am trying to point out that how the Tea Party is percieved is of much more consequence as to how I am perceived. It is all about perception, as I and VF have claimed. Let those who read your comments, think of me how they wish. I could care less. It is of little consquence, as I said. But for racial slurs to be slung at legistlators at the Tea Party rally, well that is a horse of a different color. See what I mean?

  69. Foxwood says:

    Blow it out your orifice.

  70. Foxwood says:

    The only reason I don’t go all out is because it’s VFs blog.

  71. VotingFemale says:

    Good Morning Rosehips!

    Did anyone call anyone a ‘nigger’ yesterday? If so where are the factual citations?

    Here is a video of the CBC members who alleged it happened as they passed through the protest crowd.

    Did someone spit on someone? Then file charges so it can be proven or disproven in a court of law.

    The Lame Stream Media circulating allegation as fact proves their non-existent credibility and their penchant for taking sides in the political process.

    “News” is supposed to be non-biased as opposed to opinion editorializing which both sides do.

    FOX works hard to maintain “News Reporting” Credibility… their opinion shows are fact checked daily by the left.

    And I agree, “liberals” are not, by definition, ‘communists.’ case in point Bart Stupak.

    There are Liberals in name only who pretend they are not communists. Case in point: Barack Obama.

    All this bickering about who is what is a distraction.

    If someone’s actions passes the communist duck test then they are a de facto communist.

  72. samiam60 says:

    Thank you for restoring “Rational Reason” to this post VF.

  73. rosehips says:

    morning VF!

    As I’m sure you are aware, it could be very difficult to find the individuals who are responsible for these unfortunate incidents. How is a lawmaker going to contain the slinger of slurs amidst a crowd that disfavors the lawmaker? Very difficult. The alleged could easily blend into the crowd and be gone way before police arrive. That Lewis claims it happened and a fellow lawmaker backs his claim gives me enough to go on. I am not saying there is no chance that both of these gentlemen is lying. I just doubt it very, very much.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if some patriot who witnessed the incident will be so appalled that they will come forward and substantiate. We’ll just have to see.

  74. samiam60 says:

    Good Point Rosie and you are right, only time will tell for sure.

    I personally think it is all a fabrication to discredit the Tea Party. But that is just me!

  75. samiam60 says:

    I am going to celebrate my youngest Son’s 30th Birthday today at 3.

    Boy do that make me feel old or what :(

  76. Foxwood says:

    VF, I don’t think all Liberals are Communists. But some are definitely Pinko.

  77. Foxwood says:

    My oldest is 27, Sami.

  78. samiam60 says:

    Oh what I would give to be 30 again and know what I know now!

    Never mind, I’d probably screw that up too! lol

  79. rosehips says:

    So sami, do you honestly believe that these lawmakers are lying? I just can’t buy that.

  80. rosehips says:

    I read about the racial slurs on Voice of America. Is this part of the lame stream media as well?

  81. samiam60 says:

    Yes Rosie I do. Think about it. If they can turn this Obamacare demonstration into a Racial thing all is lost as to the effort to stop Obamacare.
    These Democrats have now Proven they will stop at NOTHING to get this past. Hence my opinion is formed.

  82. samiam60 says:

    This Wolf needs the Black Lab on here and by his side.

  83. rosehips says:

    I’m not really sure how lying about racial slurs is going to help the health care vote. But I guess that is your opinion. The Congressmen lied and the slurs and spit were fabricated. The means justifies the ends, I guess.

  84. m2 says:

    Good morning!

    I’ve been really busy lately… so as far as this racist accusation, that’s just Alinsky bull because they can’t stand the though of Americans protesting. Nice plant. It’s a common tactic among the deceitful Leftists well documented in their manuals, like Obama’s favorite- Saul Alinsky. I’m not surprised, I expect it because Alinsky is pretty much ALL Obama knows… lol.

    Now you want to talk about REAL controversy. How about that guy that was shouting down Obama’s lies at the rally in Cleveland this week and the OCommunist ‘pretended’ he was fainting and had 4 FEDS grab him to shut him up.

    POLICE STATE POLICE STATE!
    The best was when the C-Span cameras got the woman screaming “How dare you”…

    Just another glimpse of our Future people…
    Under the Corruptocrat, brain-lacking Dictatorship Party…

  85. samiam60 says:

    Rosie,

    This Racial thing has already made the Protest more of a distraction than what it was intended to accomplish. If the allegations are true than the Tea Party people blew a great opportunity to protest. If the allegations are lies, than the Democrats have succeeded in discrediting the Tea Parties objective.

  86. rosehips says:

    morning m2!

    lol, textbook reaction.

  87. VotingFemale says:

    The point of the Lame Stream Media hyping allegations of someone being called a ‘nigger’ or someone being spit on is to discredit the Tea Party Movement which is in opposition to the Socialism the Lame Stream Media works hard to install in the United States.

    This is easy to understand.

    The allegations have been made and the Lame Stream Media runs with the race card. yawn… their viewership base is liberal. lol

    they are defined as biased for socialism… the more, the better. So of course they will hype allegations as fact to further demonize the many many millions who oppose ObamaCare and the single party rule.

    To say that “The Tea Party Movement is Bad” and offer as proof some unsubstantiated allegations of supposed name calling a classic Ad Hominem attack.

    example:

    attacking the person instead of attacking his argument. For example, “Von Daniken’s books about ancient astronauts are worthless because he is a convicted forger and embezzler.” (Which is true, but that’s not why they’re worthless.)

    Another example is this syllogism, which alludes to Alan Turing’s homosexuality:

    Turing thinks machines think.
    Turing lies with men.
    Therefore, machines don’t think.

    rosehips says

    morning VF!

    As I’m sure you are aware, it could be very difficult to find the individuals who are responsible for these unfortunate incidents. How is a lawmaker going to contain the slinger of slurs amidst a crowd that disfavors the lawmaker? Very difficult. The alleged could easily blend into the crowd and be gone way before police arrive. That Lewis claims it happened and a fellow lawmaker backs his claim gives me enough to go on. I am not saying there is no chance that both of these gentlemen is lying. I just doubt it very, very much.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if some patriot who witnessed the incident will be so appalled that they will come forward and substantiate. We’ll just have to see.

  88. rosehips says:

    Not sure why y’all can’t accept the fact that there may be racists among you at Tea Party rallies.
    You may think racism is just a lib thing. I live in redneck country. Believe me, it’s alive and well around here.

    You can’t control all your members. But to deny their inappropriate actions is doing the movement a disservice. Why not condemn the crime?

  89. samiam60 says:

    Good Morning M2. Love your input on this issue.

  90. samiam60 says:

    Rosie, I cannot condemn what has not been proven!

  91. m2 says:

    You seem to be taking it to a heightened ‘personal’ level… I dunno but I’ve seen Leftists protest under Bush, what’s the difference? They’re rude, crude, and lude. It is part of not only the generated playbook, it’s put out by the likes of James Carville and others.. to behave in this way to DISCREDIT a movement.

    I don’t pay attention to jokes, whether they’re talking about ‘killing GWB’ or posing as conservatives and screaming slurs.

    But I see how it is an Opportunity for any liberal to defocus the talk on this piece of crap bill that the Congress is too afraid to vote for (they want to pull a Present like Obama used to), and also rip on the tea party…

    I guess I could have spent my time complaining about the loons protesting Bush… but I dunno.. what’s the point? That’s how I see it.

  92. rosehips says:

    I love how running with the race card is alleged against the lame stream media. I have seen the race card used against the liberals right here on this blog. But I guess there is a double standard here.

    VF said: The allegations have been made and the Lame Stream Media runs with the race card. yawn… their view base is liberals. lol

  93. samiam60 says:

    Concerning Barney Frank being called a Faggot.

    Well I can believe that. I think there is audio of it.

    As Barney Frank has said before: SO WHAT!

  94. m2 says:

    I think the definition of a racist is anyone who judges alone by skin color.

    Racism is inherent in liberal doctrine, because they use it to access power, at the same time categorize people based on color not the merit of their character or achievement.

    The healthcare bill is racist, it’s going to have the student loan thing attached which will now not judge on merit, but on quota of skin colors.

  95. rosehips says:

    m2, you are very right. The allegations of plants and lies was very pronounced during GW’s reign. I see close similarities to tactics used and allegations tossed around that happened during the Bush years and beyond. I don’t condone it on the left or right. If it is found that the protesters and spitters are plants, I will condemn the actions of whomever is responsible. I think that is dirty politics and should be exposed for what it is.

  96. VotingFemale says:

    There are some racists on the right.

    so fucking what, Rose?

    What is your point?

    Be a socialist because there are some racists?

    I have been subjected to racism and spit on.

    I do not judge the GOP on that basis. and if you do then you are misguided.

  97. samiam60 says:

    Rose can you post the allegations of this during the GW reign?

  98. rosehips says:

    sami, I think Barney might have been being glib. I know he is used to it. Gay bashing is socially accepted in many circles, unlike racism.

    It doesn’t make it okay and I’m glad it’s on audio. So if that is substantiated, why is it so hard to believe that the racial slurs were slung?

    I think deep down you all know it’s most likely true. Whether they were paid operatives or not remains a question. I hope the answers surface.

  99. m2 says:

    I just don’t pay attention to loons.

    But one does have to then question, hmmmm… why is this the main feature of the media, incl. Fox News reporting of the protest? When they sought to hid the, as you said “plants” in Bush protests? Because it advaces a story. OBAMACARE good. TEA PARTY bad. It’s just one more notch in the compliant and complacent media, that leads more and more people to provide ever increasing cynicism not just for congress, 17% approval, not just Obama 46% approval, Pelosi 3% approval… but MEDIA. No one trust or believe the bulk of Media.

    It’s a good thing we have youtube.

  100. rosehips says:

    VF, I think you miss my point. I am not judging the Tea Party on the basis of the slurs. I have been to Tea Party events. I won’t say I didn’t see any disturbing behavior, I did. But I did not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Just because of one anti-homosexual sign, I didn’t condemn the whole movement. I am just pointing out that, as you said, perception is sometimes bigger than reality.

  101. Foxwood says:

    “textbook reaction.”

    Progressives read textbooks?

  102. VotingFemale says:

    notice how Rose totally dodges the issue of Lame stream Ad Hominem attack mode?

    She can’t defend it… so she switched to attack anyone who calls out libtards for their RAAACIST Card throwing! ROFL

    rosehips says

    I love how running with the race card is alleged against the lame stream media. I have seen the race card used against the liberals right here on this blog. But I guess there is a double standard here.

    VF said: The allegations have been made and the Lame Stream Media runs with the race card. yawn… their view base is liberals. lol

  103. samiam60 says:

    Exactly Rose,

    The only question remaining is were they paid operatives or not.

    I am not saying their are not some Tea Party members with Racist feelings. I am thinking they know better than to hurt the cause by saying these things at a protest. Big difference between a Conservative and a Liberal. Common Sense.

  104. rosehips says:

    sami, no I can’t post any allegations. I only remember them. Plants are not uncommon at protests and I do not deny that those who slurred could very well be plants. There is no way for me to prove one way or another if this is the case.

  105. VotingFemale says:

    I am not the least bit concerned with what you judge or do not judge, Rose.

    I am discussing the Lame Stream Media’s gutter rat behaviors re: Ad Hominem attacks on the Tea Party Movement to discredit what they stand for.

    get it straight in your mind, dear.

    rosehips says

    VF, I think you miss my point. I am not judging the Tea Party on the basis of the slurs. I have been to Tea Party events. I won’t say I didn’t see any disturbing behavior, I did. But I did not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Just because of one anti-homosexual sign, I didn’t condemn the whole movement. I am just pointing out that, as you said, perception is sometimes bigger than reality.

  106. m2 says:

    It’s just a little too convenient. Smacks of Axelrod’s finger-prints. I know they hate that people will actually get off their asses to protest this defunct Bill. I know they will go to any length to censor their own party from seeing the REAL FEELING in America…. like telling their Senators and House members drudge is putting virus’ on their computers. IT’s an Obama Police State. The man lied about a real protester at his rally packed full of paid HCAN and ACORN types… The man is a low down dirty shame. And I have no doubt Karma awaits.

  107. rosehips says:

    what do you want me to say VF? I agree that the media is pouncing on these incidents. I think it interests peeps. It obviously has us interested. I don’t defend the media as being unbiased and sticking to the important issues. People love controversy. This fits the bill. The media is like any other capitalist business. They report what folks want because that is what butters their bread.

    VF said: notice how Rose totally dodges the issue of Lame stream Ad Hominem attack mode?

    She can’t defend it… so she switched to attack anyone who calls out libtards for their RAAACIST Card throwing! ROFL

  108. VotingFemale says:

    I notice you ignored this comment from me as well, rose… care to address it? or no?

    VotingFemale says

    There are some racists on the right.

    so fucking what, Rose?

    What is your point?

    Be a socialist because there are some racists?

    I have been subjected to racism and spit on.

    I do not judge the GOP on that basis. and if you do then you are misguided.

  109. samiam60 says:

    Rose says:
    sami, no I can’t post any allegations. I only remember them. Plants are not uncommon at protests and I do not deny that those who slurred could very well be plants. There is no way for me to prove one way or another if this is the case.

    Rose,

    Than the only other motive for posting a comment like this is to push buttons. But why?

  110. rosehips says:

    m2, I am not convinced that Obama called for help for the protester. I believe someone may have fainted. Do you know for a fact that it was a protester he was trying to get removed?

  111. VotingFemale says:

    completely bypassing the Socialist Bias and Cheer leading by the Lame Stream Media and minimizes it as a ratings capitalist business decision.

    yawn…

    rosehips says

    what do you want me to say VF? I agree that the media is pouncing on these incidents. I think it interests peeps. It obviously has us interested. I don’t defend the media as being unbiased and sticking to the important issues. People love controversy. This fits the bill. The media is like any other capitalist business. They report what folks want because that is what butters their bread.

  112. VotingFemale says:

    Belated Good Morning M2!

  113. m2 says:

    all along it’s been Obama paying people to counter protest the real Americans who are trying to keep this country from destitution. There’s concrete fact there, the ads that offer the 23 bucks for hour, the hidden camera of a guy telling people how “to get in their face and shout them down”… I mean ppl are so against this the left PAYS people to bite the fingers off elderly men, and beat a black man on the street for being on “the other side”…

    I almost think fence-sitting Dems are more afraid of their own constituents than the wrath of the peaceful American-loving people protesting this awful Bill.

    Remember poor Dobbs got shot at for saying the wrong thing.

    When a polical movement is bankrupt on morals like the Left is… anything is possible in their world… they don’t believe in “too far”.

  114. Foxwood says:

    More comments in Conference Room.

  115. Foxwood says:

    Good morning, M2!

  116. samiam60 says:

    Our personal Freedom is up for grabs today in America and I don’t give a grunt about anymore comments in the Conference Room.
    Enough already!

  117. m2 says:

    VF, I agree… the suppressive media always likes to fashion the storyline of least consequence as the ‘main feature’, in order to not report the facts on legislation. I mean Obama doesn’t even know what’s in his Bill(s) add-ons, whatever they are now. And the media can’t let ppl question the scoring of budget, the CBO and the actuary committees both said they don’t have the “time” to get a good read on the true cost.

    Not only that, but you know this Bill(s), tack-ons, supplementals, whatever it is they were deeming on or not voting on… it’s going to be totally different what Obama signs. We’ll never know the true horrors. Simply because there is NO transparency.

    Secrecy is imperative to Tyranny.

  118. VotingFemale says:

    rosehips, see my comment in the Conference Room…

  119. rosehips says:

    m2 where are you finding substantiations to these allegations? How is it that two or more lawmakers are called liars but the left paying someone to bite someone’s finger off is accepted as truth? I am surprised to read you making allegations like this.

  120. m2 says:

    he did… several ‘witnesses’ have reported it. A man was drug away by 4 Fed agents. A woman next to him screamed “HOW DARE YOU!” to Obama which was clearly picked up by C-Span camera Mics. The witnesses said the man did not faint… he was shouting down the Lies of the President.

    Rose said:
    m2, I am not convinced that Obama called for help for the protester. I believe someone may have fainted. Do you know for a fact that it was a protester he was trying to get removed?

  121. Foxwood says:

    “m2 where are you finding substantiations to these allegations? How is it that two or more lawmakers are called liars but the left paying someone to bite someone’s finger off is accepted as truth? I am surprised to read you making allegations like this.”

    What M2 has said as well as what I have said has been on the news. That is substantiation enough.

  122. m2 says:

    rose, the man who’s finger was bitten off has been documented by several papers in California… I don’t make that up. The finger was picked up by a Tea Partier and the man was driven to the hospital where it was re-attached.

    It was an HCAN paid Obama protester who did it.

    The papers get eye-witness accounts from at least 4 people. That happened this summer.

  123. m2 says:

    rose, I am not very concerned with shenanigans of individual incidents during protests. I was just giving you equally horrible examples to counter your focus on a racist slur… I mean like you said… ppl can be terrible.

    That’s why I don’t pay attention to loons in protests.

    However, this is clearly a stunt based on media coverage to drive a storyline. Even so, it’s like SO?

    It just doesn’t change the fact that this bill stinks. And the only reason they are passing it is because it’s the ONLY thing Obama has done for a year and a half.

    Besides cripple the economy, tear apart the nation, and the branches of government in his SOTU speech, and spit on allies while bowing to thugocracies…

  124. m2 says:

    Did you guys hear Obama’s pep talk yesterday where he said… “This isn’t for me… This isn’t for the Democrat party. This is for the American People!”

    That was so funny. I guess if the House Dems believe it they are living in la-la-land. It’s like everything in reverse. Ending with “THIS IS FOR SAVING OBAMA”

    who, I mean, who knows what the rabid Left would do if he didn’t pass it…

  125. rosehips says:

    okay m2, I believe you and I are on the same page. I agree it only distracts from the real issues. I did google the finger biting incident. I found an account from someone claiming to be a witness. I believe the guy bit the other guys finger off. But that he was paid to do it seems a bit contrived to me.

    Here’s the link to the alleged eyewitness account.

    http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/03/health-care-vigil-in-thousand-oaks-provocation-to-violent-response/

  126. samiam60 says:

    Obama is clearly a divisive President hell bent on dividing America across all lines from politics to Race. If he succeeds there will be war.

  127. samiam60 says:

    Divide and Concour= Marshal Law= Dictatorship

  128. samiam60 says:

    Divide and Conquer = Marshal Law= Dictatorship

    Had to fix my typo. It bothered me.

  129. m2 says:

    I wasn’t being literal like he was “paid to bite his finger off” lol… but we cannot deny that Obama’s Chicago attitude of “Get in their faces and yell” directions, and creating contentiousness among citizens (he has proved this over and over), is at fault for heightening situations at protest rally’s. There is articles from ACTUAL news in CA… that I read… which in-depth describe the incident.

    I said, “Paid” because just like OFA, HCAN paid people 15 to 23 dollars and hour to protest against Americans who were protesting Obamacare. There is many Craigslist boards with the ad for getting paid “to advance Obama and make history” very gallant phrasing…

    But all of that is what we all expect. It is the way, with this bunch of Lefties in power…

    We just don’t dwell on it.
    Media likes to dwell on what favors Obama… that is my opinion.

  130. VotingFemale says:

    everyone read my last comment in the Conference Room

  131. m2 says:

    sami, I truly believe the Left is scarier to any law maker than the responsible voting public. I think that even Stupak (who wants to vote YES on this, pending abortion change), I believe if he held out the vote… his life would be in danger by Leftists.

    Don’t you get that feeling?

  132. samiam60 says:

    I agree with you wholeheartedly M2.

    I have never in my lifetime seen any President act so divisively on so very many issues.

    This is all about Control and I fear a coming Dictatorship. Plain and simple!

  133. m2 says:

    sami, I don’t see how we can defeat passage… and it’s not due to lack of passion or indiffernce on the part of Americans or Republicans. This infestation has been occurring for so long, the money that is pumped into the Left, by Leftist corporate hacks that want to push ruination on the United States. The Unions aligning to get their pensions paid for, there’s so much money on the line and IN Obama. Obama was put there for this reason alone.

    That is all he is there for.

    He is a tool to take down the United States. This needs to happen for the Left based on the shear volume, weight, and magnitude of fever pitch. They will never quit this sami.

    Truly, these people need to be impeached and tried for treason.

  134. samiam60 says:

    M2,

    Perhaps the seeds of War are being planted this very day.

    I fear for America

  135. samiam60 says:

    Be right back :)

  136. m2 says:

    sami, you must be off today? A rare day off?

    I have to let my husband use the computer now, bbl….

  137. VotingFemale says:

    only if the majority of votes cast in 2010 or 2012 are ignored and circumvented as what happened in Iran’s 2009 presidential election will there be violence… we are not prone to using violence because our voting system works.

    samiam60 says

    M2,

    Perhaps the seeds of War are being planted this very day.

    I fear for America

  138. VotingFemale says:

    the DEMS were given a majority in congress by voters… Obama was given the post of president by voters.

    they will be voted out just as they were voted in.

  139. samhenry says:

    VF, I have, I hope, clarified my comment in the Conference Room.

  140. VotingFemale says:

    you did, thanks SamH.

  141. samhenry says:

    it’s NOT over. They may NOT have the votes. This moments ago from OFA:

    ****************************************************************************************************

    But we can’t take anything for granted. The vote in the House is just hours from now and could still go either way. It’s up to every American who believes in reform to call our representatives and speak up — right now.

    So, if you haven’t yet, please pick up the phone and call Rep. … office at . And afterward, or if you’ve called already, make it your mission today to get 5 friends or neighbors to call, too.

    Forward this email widely. Save the Congressional switchboard number — (202) 224-3121 — in your cell phone, and then hand your phone to a friend, a co-worker, a family member. Capitol Hill offices are open and accepting calls.

    Call the folks you know who share our vision for change, and let them know that today is their chance — our chance — to not just witness history, but to make it.

    Thanks for being there for every step of this final march for reform. And thanks for making it possible.

  142. m2 says:

    SamHenry… no one wants to be the final VOTE (cough: nail in the coffin of liberty)… that’s why they are short, one.

    SamHenry… I am wondering if ppl agreed to vote yes and have a deal with Repubs to vote NO on the floor. To finish this once and for all.
    Once can dream, right?

    Great piece on AT about the charge by a congressman. Since when do congressmen not lie? Since when did Democrats have any other line of debate than to cry Racist in order to further their agenda. Since never.
    I am now at full understanding this was a setup. Being that the congressman had his own people “following him” with camera phones.

    Let’s face it. The Racism charge pops up each and every time the Marxist-Leninist party and their cohorts Stern, Soros and the media want to pass their bill, or elect their candidate. The burden of proof now lies with them. They apparently don’t have any other tactic than that, they show they are uncivil completely and absolutely (except when pretending to be conservative using free-market language). Knowing that their agenda is treasonous to the U.S., they cannot “highlight” it.

    Secrecy is the backbone of Tyranny.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/about_those_racial_slurs_tosse.html

    http://comments.americanthinker.com/read/1/562136.html

    what does this charge by the congressman have to do with needing to pass the bill. Is that why we pass bills in this country? Because someone charges a racist incident?

    Liberals have long become detached from SENSE. Sense that should be common.

  143. m2 says:

    SH, I am heading out to the grocery and chores… in case you wonder where I could be at…
    BBL!

  144. samhenry says:

    REALLY have to go but I worry…

    Worry that that last vote is being reserved for someone special to put it over the top so down through the ages, it will be forever connected with his/her name. I’m sure Odrama has been working on this, PR piranha that he is.

  145. VotingFemale says:

    had a visitor… she is gone now but now I need to help hubs with a computer issue…

    be back laters sigh…

  146. ohiobelle says:

    Princess Pelosi should recall what happened to the last Speaker of the House that voted for HillaryCare… He lost his election in 1994!

    I do not believe they have the votes!

  147. ohiobelle says:

    This bill is a jobs killer! There is money in the bill to try to save 30,000 jobs that they predict will be lost when or if this bill is signed into law. Why isn’t anybody talking about that?

  148. dancingczars says:

    LOL The One has seen nothing yet! Jim

  149. ohiobelle says:

    Those 30,000 jobs are in the PRIVATE SECTOR!

  150. ohiobelle says:

    The only thing that takes effect immediately if this bill passes is an INCREASE IN TAXES!!

  151. ohiobelle says:

    Correct me if I am wrong but the Senate healthcare bill that they will be voting on shortly started out as a housing bill? How does the Senate turn a housing bill into a healthcare bill?? Why are we voting on this?? They need to KILL THE BILL!!!

  152. ohiobelle says:

    I am sick and tired of the black community using the race card to try to pass this bill!!!

  153. ohiobelle says:

    I hope the Dems realize this bill is about a political agenda; not reform! I hope the Dems realize they are SELLING US OUT!

  154. ohiobelle says:

    The very government that has been tearing us apart piece by piece now stands to get even bigger!

    This is Congress selling America out, one sweetheart deal at a time!!

    It’s not too late for the Dems to do the right thing and kill THIS bill! We can still have reform!

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  156. m2 says:

    hi Belle, you are right about the Senate bill’s original name of Home Ownership Tax. They did this, because as RULE-BREAKERS, a “TAX” bill cannot originate IN the Senate. The healthcare bill that passed in the Senate’s biggest feature is Taxation, it breaks Obama’s “making less than 250,ooo” promise. It mentions the word tax 183 times. And of course, we all now know 16,000 IRS people will be hired pending full passage.

    The Senate Bill’s largest “reform” feature was Taxing. That is not allowed to originate in the Senate. They had to take a bill from the House and use it as “shell cover” in order to tax the shit out of this nation.

    Good luck to anyone who is not in a Union.

  157. Foxwood says:

    Let’s all embrace Communism.

    Barack Hussein Obama!
    MMM MMM MM!

    What did he find on you?
    What did he promise you?
    Thank you Bart Stupid.
    You F-ing sellout!

  158. m2 says:

    Leading Communist Party USA theoretician Norman Markowitz put it this way in a November 2008 article in Political Affairs, entitled Obama’s Mandate for Change;

    A “single payer” national health system – known as “socialized medicine” in the rest of the developed world – should be an essential part of the change that the core constituencies which elected Obama desperately need.
    Britain serves as an important political lesson for strategists. After the Labor Party established the National Health Service after World War II, supposedly conservative workers and low-income people under religious and other influences who tended to support the Conservatives were much more likely to vote for the Labor Party when health care, social welfare, education and pro-working class policies were enacted by labor-supported governments.

    http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/7722/

  159. Foxwood says:

    We’ve been through this before.

    In early 1939, FDR tried to become a card-carrying communist. He applied for membership in the front League of American Writers but Earl Browder, General Secretary of the Communist Party USA, returned his application saying, “Don’t get mixed up in this. There is going to be a lot of controversy about it.” That was the understatement of the decade. Recall that FDR’s choice, when he was aware that he was dying, for vice-president was Henry “The people’s revolution is on the march” Wallace, a communist; that FDR had supported the communists in the Spanish Civil War and had tried to get the neutrality act repealed for them, that FDR sold out Eastern Europe to the Soviets at Yalta; that FDR made Karl Marx’s primary goal, redistribution of income, his primary goal; that he was against loyalty oaths; that remarkably there was not a single prosecution of any Soviet spy during his Presidency; that when 12 communists were arrested by the FBI in Detroit in 1940 that he removed the FBI’s power to make arrests; that he vetoed a bill to deport communist aliens in 1940; that he several times blocked the extradition of communists; that he constantly sent “greetings” to various Red organizations and took every opportunity in public to praise Stalin’s regime.

    FDR A Biography, 1985, Ted Morgan

  160. m2 says:

    The single-payer bill is in Congress now sponsored by none other than Alan Grayson (D-Fl).

    HR 4789

    It has 70+ cosponsors; ALL Progressive Caucus members.

    The bill is one they will try to Amend in the reconciliation bill.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/87053-hr-4789-and-the-public-option-the-way-forward-rep-alan-grayson

  161. Foxwood says:

    Next on the agenda is Illegal Immigration Reform. Obutthole has to get replacement voters for the ones he lost over this Healthcare POS.

  162. m2 says:

    Overall, the best estimate of those killed after the Vietnam War by the victorious communists in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia is 2,270,000. Now totaling almost twice as many as died in the Vietnam War, this communist killing still continues.

    To view this double standard from another perspective, both World Wars cost twenty-four million battle deaths. But from 1918 to 1953, the Soviet government executed, slaughtered, starved, beat or tortured to death, or otherwise killed 39,500,000 of its own people (my best estimate among figures ranging from a minimum of twenty million killed by Stalin to a total over the whole communist period of eighty-three million). For China under Mao Tse-tung, the communist government eliminated, as an average figure between estimates, 45,000,000 Chinese. The number killed for just these two nations is about 84,500,000 human beings, or a lethality of 252 percent more than both World Wars together. Yet, have the world community and intellectuals generally shown anything like the same horror, the same outrage, the same out pouring of anti-killing literature, over these Soviet and Chinese megakillings as has been directed at the much less deadly World Wars?

    As can be seen from Table 1, communist governments are overall almost four times more lethal to their citizens than non-communist ones, and in per capita terms nearly twice as lethal (even considering the huge populations of the USSR and China).

    http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

  163. m2 says:

    Well fox, since Loan Grab is in this bill… they say they’ll use deem and pass for Immigration. Obama works (owes his position to) 3 organizations who got him to this place, The Communist Party, Democratic Socialists of America, and Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism.

    He is working for the evil on earth… no doubt.

    Fox said:
    Next on the agenda is Illegal Immigration Reform.

  164. m2 says:

    How can we understand all this killing by communists? It is the marriage of an absolutist ideology with the absolute power. Communists believed that they knew the truth, absolutely. They believed that they knew through Marxism what would bring about the greatest human welfare and happiness. And they believed that power, the dictatorship of the proletariat, must be used to tear down the old feudal or capitalist order and rebuild society and culture to realize this utopia. Nothing must stand in the way of its achievement. Government–the Communist Party–was thus above any law. All institutions, cultural norms, traditions, and sentiments were expendable. And the people were as though lumber and bricks, to be used in building the new world.

  165. Foxwood says:

    That liberals cannot see the Communism for the red in their eyes is beyond me. This is an absolute change in the intent of the American way of life. Obutthole feels that government should control the population, and that is not what the Constitution was about. That is what the colonists and pilgrims moved away from; government control.

  166. m2 says:

    Fox, they’re just addicted to the past… their too stupid. Handy rubes for Ocommunist and his backers.

    That’s the irony. Ocommunist is reverting freedom to the path of genocide and suffering.

  167. m2 says:

    yes, because “executive order” was meant to “make legislation”… what a ditz.

  168. m2 says:

    Fox, I think that the rest of his 1st Term agenda the communists put him in power for will be passed. Why not? They are that stupid. They know they’re already unelectable. Why not?

    I mean, unless one of those Demtards has a thought about their extended family and questions the loss of freedom and destitution they are forcing on them. But apparently they don’t think of that.

    That’s how DIM they are.

  169. ohiobelle says:

    Hello everybody!

    I don’t think I have to tell everybody how ticked off I am today!!

    ANY DEMOCRAT THAT VOTES FOR THIS BILL CAN NO LONGER SAY THEY ARE PRO LIFE!!

  170. m2 says:

    Anyone who supports Obama is not Pro-LIFE. In any respect of LIFE.

    Obama is evil.

  171. ohiobelle says:

    Bart Stupak is no longer pro-life!! He has no morals and sold out his supporters!!

  172. Foxwood says:

    This is a full sellout to Communism.

  173. ohiobelle says:

    M2, I agree!

    Obama will never stand a chance at a second term! Princess Pelosi will now have something else in common with Tom Foley… THE SECOND SPEAKER TO GET THROWN OUT FOR SUPPORTING UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE!!!

  174. ohiobelle says:

    Fox wrote: This is a full sellout to Communism.

    I HOPE THEIR SWEETHEART DEALS WAS WORTH THEIR JOBS!!

  175. Foxwood says:

    My mother has been a full fledged Democrat all of her life. She thought I was a sell out.

    She calls Obutthole a Communist.

  176. ohiobelle says:

    34 Democrats lost their election in 1994 because they voted for HillaryCare… How many Dems are up for re-election? Enough that we’ll win in November!

  177. ohiobelle says:

    Fox, Your mother is a very smart woman!

  178. ohiobelle says:

    History does repeat itself and the Democrats sold us out for the last time!!!

  179. Foxwood says:

    I hate to bust the bubble, Belle. The Democraps have the unions, illegal aliens, and and the poor in place to give them a fight in the process. As long as you can buy people you can get their votes.

  180. Foxwood says:

    I don’t want to see Civil war, but like Sami, I think I can see it.

  181. ohiobelle says:

    Fox wrote: I hate to bust the bubble, Belle. The Democraps have the unions, illegal aliens, and and the poor in place to give them a fight in the process. As long as you can buy people you can get their votes.

    Fox, All the above couldn’t save them after HillaryCare and they WON’T save them after ObamaCare.

  182. ohiobelle says:

    Fox wrote: I don’t want to see Civil war, but like Sami, I think I can see it.

    I agree.. people are fed up. If this passes then something WILL happen and I will support it.

  183. Foxwood says:

    “Fox, All the above couldn’t save them after HillaryCare and they WON’T save them after ObamaCare.”

    I do hope your right Belle! I pray for it.

  184. ohiobelle says:

    We are not as helpless as they think we are! They will see how strong the people are when we unite!

  185. ohiobelle says:

    I have never hated Jesse Jr more than I do today!

  186. Foxwood says:

    “We are not as helpless as they think we are! They will see how strong the people are when we unite!”

    Your right! There are still things in the works if this passes. I’ve heard of lots of things to take it on in the Supreme Court. FDRs new deal went through the Supreme Court after it was passed. Bad things happened to the Supreme Court after the fact that we feel today, but I hope it get’s resolved a bit better this time.

  187. Foxwood says:

    “Jesse Jr”

    Jesse James Jr. or Jesse Jackass Jr.?

  188. ohiobelle says:

    Fox wrote: Jesse James Jr. or Jesse Jackass Jr.?

    haha… both but today Jackass Jr has it!

  189. ohiobelle says:

    You know Obama was only going to sign the exc order if they NEEDED the votes… I’m sure there is more than a few Dems that aren’t happy about that… hmm?

  190. ohiobelle says:

    Bart should be concerned that Obama had already said he wouldn’t sign any order unless he had to. Bart should feel like his vote wasn’t important enough for the Dems to do something sooner.

  191. ohiobelle says:

    That could be what changes the votes around. Princess Pelosi must be pretty busy right about now. I bet there are about half a dozen Dems changing their yes to a no because of that exc order. If they don’t then Bart should be worried.

  192. ohiobelle says:

    Fox, I bet the Supreme Court is hoping they get a chance to face off with Obama. I have a feeling they’ve been waiting. lol

  193. Foxwood says:

    “Fox, I bet the Supreme Court is hoping they get a chance to face off with Obama.”

    I can’t wait, after the shit they took at the State of the Soviet Union.

  194. Foxwood says:

    Why did Natzi Palosi march in front of the protectors? She and the rest of the Democraps had another way to get from point A to B.

  195. Foxwood says:

    protectors = protesters

  196. ohiobelle says:

    Fox wrote: State of the Soviet Union.

    haha.

    The GOP response must be killing Bart right about now. They made a good point by bringing up the pro abortion Dems. They apparently aren’t changing their vote so Bart should be worried.

  197. Foxwood says:

    If they voted for Communism, they voted for Communism. It doesn’t matter where their vote came in numerical order. FU Democraps!

  198. ohiobelle says:

    The Republicans just can’t win. I am almost fed up with watching this whole process! We just don’t have the votes.

  199. ohiobelle says:

    This has never been about reform. The Dems have been praying for a day to pass their political agenda and “transform” America. I can’t believe we are watching this happen.

  200. ohiobelle says:

    I’ve got to walk away for a little bit. I’ll check back soon.

  201. Foxwood says:

    “The Republicans just can’t win.”

    The problem with Republicans are, they are weenies! They have to stop with the “Marquis of Queensberry” rules. That and have some REAL VALUES!

    GET YOUR F-ing HEAD ON RIGHT F-ing REPUBLICAN CONGRESS!

  202. samhenry says:

    This is not the end to our agony, Belle. Nancy Pelosi has recently said that if they get health care passed through they will kick down the door and pass more of their agenda.

    FOX is right when he says:

    Fox wrote: I hate to bust the bubble, Belle. The Democraps have the unions, illegal aliens, and and the poor in place to give them a fight in the process. As long as you can buy people you can get their votes.

    With hispanics coming up as the majority populace in America, it is all over. It is a new America that will tweak the Constitution. Obama has been loudly hinting that it has needed change.

    I am very sad today but best to get it over with at my age now and decide where and how I will live the rest of my life. As a senior, I’ve been had. My company will drop BlueCross/BlueShield for us retirees and we will end up in the pool. I will not be able to have the same doctors. And I will be on the prescription plan that has not been as good as my Company’s. So the savings under this plan are on the backs of the elderly and on taxing the hell out of everyone. This is not progress; this is progressive.

  203. samhenry says:

    Have to go off to do more chores outside while there is light.

    DOG runs off…

  204. samiam60 says:

    New message in Conference Room.

    I am home now from my Son’s place and truly enjoyed the time there.

    The events of this day and what is currently happening in our Capital is all but consuming.

    I fear for America

  205. Foxwood says:

    SamH, I don’t remember if I apologized to you in Conference. Please read. You are in my thoughts.

  206. Foxwood says:

    Sami, I didn’t see your comments. I am withholding.

  207. samiam60 says:

    Foxwood, ever see Band of Brothers?

    If so, we are one and the same. You and I my friend

  208. samhenry says:

    AMEN from the Dog who did not quite make it outside to finish chores because of concerns for my friends here.

    I’m glad the buddy movie plays here again. It’s a great thing. I hope we can be the three Amigos mornings when we are on – not to separate from the herd for for our stage act!

  209. ohiobelle says:

    Rangel SHOULD NOT be allowed to vote!!

  210. samhenry says:

    Rangel should be in jail. But this is This all makes me want to engage in a little compulsive eating!

  211. ohiobelle says:

    We are still laughing at the turbo tax comment!

  212. samhenry says:

    What turbo tax comment?

  213. ohiobelle says:

    Somebody said that we will be getting prenatal care through turbo tax if this bill passes. lol

  214. ohiobelle says:

    It is really ticking me off to see Rangel sitting up front with that stupid smile on his face!!!! He shouldn’t even be there!

  215. samhenry says:

    I am so tired of hearing this “it will become the law of the land” kind of thing.

    Let this Democrats did it program end. I think after I get back from the grocery store that I will just watch a video and think about what we can do to recoup. We can’t despair.

    I am now hearing that the black caucus cannot wait anymore – so OK. Here’s all the money I have for slavery, health care and your retirement. Have I given you the right amount? Could I keep the change?

  216. ohiobelle says:

    ALRIGHT TIBERI!!!! YOU HAVE MY VOTE AGAIN!!

  217. ohiobelle says:

    Sam wrote: I am now hearing that the black caucus cannot wait anymore – so OK. Here’s all the money I have for slavery, health care and your retirement. Have I given you the right amount? Could I keep the change?

    haha!

  218. ohiobelle says:

    I’ve been watching this circus act all day long. I just can’t walk away.

    THE DEMS MAY WIN TODAY BUT THEY WILL LOSE IN NOVEMBER!!

  219. samhenry says:

    I really have to get to the store but in leaving I want to say that Obama knows very well that the cost of this “thing” will be on the backs of all those of us whose taxes will be going up to pay for it. More people will be filing for bankruptcy, more people will be out of their homes. AND as usual, the same old vultures will be circling to make money at the expense of those in trouble.

    Time and tax will tell.

    But we have nothing to be ashamed for. We are like those “embattled farmers” who stood on that bridge and fired the shot heard ’round the world. The “embattled farmers” phrase has run through my head all day.

    The Concord Hymn, by Ralph Waldo Emerson (1830-1886)

    By the rude bridge that arched the flood,

    Their flag to April’s breeze unfurled,

    Here once the embattled farmers stood,

    And fired the shot heard round the world.

    The foe long since in silence slept;

    Alike the conqueror silent sleeps;

    And time the ruined bridge has swept

    Down the dark stream which seaward creeps.

    On this green bank, by this soft stream,

    We set to –day a votive stone;

    That memory may their deeds redeem,

    When, like our sires, our sons are gone.

    Spirit, that made those heroes dare

    To die, or leave their children free,

    Bid Time and Nature gently spare

    The shaft we raise to them and thee.

    This poem was written to dedicate the Revolutionary battle monument raised at Concord Massachusetts, on land which was given by Emerson’s step-grandfather Ezra Ripley

  220. ohiobelle says:

    I can’t wait until John Boehner finally gets his voice heard!!

  221. ohiobelle says:

    SamH, Great poem!

    Has anybody seen Barney Fudd in this debate? Where is #1 Dem sinner hiding these days??

  222. samhenry says:

    BBL Belle. So good to be on with you – does that sound right? Oh, dear. Glad the boys aren’t here to make fun.

  223. ohiobelle says:

    haha!!! SamH, Fox would laugh his a!! off!

    Great to talk to you again!

  224. ohiobelle says:

    I would feel better if Paul Ryan was our President! Hmmm….

  225. tellitlikeitis says:

    Here is another fine example that illustrates this government is corrupt and doesn’t give a f$$k about what the American people care or want.

  226. ohiobelle says:

    Did I ever mention how much I LOVE JOHN BOEHNER??? GOOD JOB JOHN!!!

  227. ohiobelle says:

    HERE COMES THE HAG!

  228. ohiobelle says:

    Did anybody ever notice the Pelosi has man hands??

  229. ohiobelle says:

    that she has man hands… not the. typing too fast.

  230. ohiobelle says:

    Sorry but her big fat mits are making me laugh!

    Another speaker said let’s pass HillaryCare and lost his JOB! That would be Tom Foley. Bye Bye Nance!

  231. ohiobelle says:

    Is Nancy making hand puppets or making a point???

  232. ohiobelle says:

    Still looking for Barney Fudd.

  233. ohiobelle says:

    Dear Nancy,

    Your man hands have said enough and your botox is eating your brain. Welcome Nance to unemployment!!

    Sincerely, OhioBelle

  234. ohiobelle says:

    WOW They were quick to blow of Johns request and go straight to the vote!! So far 22 Nays!!!

  235. ohiobelle says:

    DEMS CAN STILL DO THE RIGHT THING

  236. ohiobelle says:

    DEMS WON!! OUR COUNTRY WILL NEVER BE THE SAME!!!!

    GOOD NIGHT!

  237. tellitlikeitis says:

  238. Foxwood says:

    This is the BULLSH!T we’ve been fighting against:

    http://votingfemale.wordpress.com/2010/02/24/obama-economy-management-sets-new-us-record/#comment-77201

    yes, foxy. but you are fighting for an ideal that doesn’t exist.

    I guess we are just a nation of ideologues. I realize I am one too.

    by the very nature of the word “denial”, you would never admit you are in it. ;)

    let’s all march to the beat. We are communists. We submit to our leaders. We know that we will be crushed if we wander from the doctrines we live by. Is this really how you see the USA foxy?

  239. tellitlikeitis says:

    John Boehner for president!

  240. tellitlikeitis says:

    GOOD EVENING FOXWOOD AND BELLE.

  241. tellitlikeitis says:

    LOOKS LIKE THE COMMUNIST CONGRESS MAY PASS THE BILL AND THE HOOCHIE COOCHIE MAN IS GONNA SIGN IT.

  242. samhenry says:

    Hey, Belle

    Sorry I got back late but tell me, do you think Barack is a “shape shifter”?

    I feel like I’ve been taken in.

  243. LisaInTX says:

    VF
    Left you a messege in the conference room.

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  245. samiam60 says:

    Mourning Amerika :(

  246. VotingFemale says:

    Good Morning Sammy :(

  247. samiam60 says:

    Good Morning VF.

    It is a new day in America.

  248. samiam60 says:

    A battle has been lost but not the war.

    Let us all lick our wounds and get back into the fight.

    In the words of John Paul Jones:

    ” I have not yet begun to fight”

  249. samiam60 says:

    I am sure the White House Dog was glad this Obamacare Bill got passed.

    Can’t think of anyone else though.

  250. VotingFemale says:

    Yes it is Sammy.

    And the Democrat Party got their way and the price they will now pay starts.

    The are like bunch of drunks waking up from a year long drinking binge. They indulged themselves and did what they wanted to do, to hell with the consequences.

    Now? reality sets in. They own this abortion soup to nuts… and a few bi-partisan improvements does not white wash the rottenness within the fabric of this health care bill.

    I feel they wan the battle at the expense of the war between their socialism and the right of center majority of Americans.

  251. samiam60 says:

    There will be a ” New ” tone in America now.

    The status quo will be no mo.

    Like you say VF, they will awake this morning to face the consequences of their actions.

  252. samiam60 says:

    I have a bad feeling about today at work.

    They intend to reduce the number of employees going into April. ugh

  253. VotingFemale says:

    sorry to hear that sweetie… :(
    I will keep my fingers crossed you are one of the ones who remains.

    samiam60 says

    I have a bad feeling about today at work.

    They intend to reduce the number of employees going into April. ugh

  254. ohiobelle says:

    Sam wrote: I have a bad feeling about today at work.

    They intend to reduce the number of employees going into April. ugh

    Sam, I am very sorry to hear the news. I wish you the best!

  255. Foxwood says:

    It’s a good day to be a subject of the Dictatorship!
    Sieg Heil und Guten Morgan fellow unAmerican Nazis!
    It’s time to unfurl the Confederate Swastika and fire the cannon!

  256. Foxwood says:

    I couldn’t watch it last night. Did I see this correctly this morning? 216 to 215?

    Stupid sold out and got the bill passed?

    He was told that the president would sign an executive order to change the bill, or now the law. The law of the land. That was dictatorial wasn’t it? Do we now live under a dictatorship like in Venezuela?

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  258. VotingFemale says:

    Good morning Foxwood.

    I see it as 219-212

  259. Foxwood says:

    The results were 219-212.

    Don’t let your congressman say their vote was not the vote that pushed healthcare. If they voted for this piece of crap, their vote counted, and you tell them that. You remember how they voted. They were responsible.

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