GO SCOTT GO!!!
And, what has Obama done? His personal website Organizing For America (Organizing for Obama) cooked up a top down group called the Coffee [Grounds] Party which tries to pass itself off as a bottom up grass roots ‘movement.’ It’s a Sean Penn type ‘movement.’
Gee… the Socialists must think Americans are dumb as dirt.
And what does CNN do? Why they are busy fortifying the Organizing For America’s Coffee Grounds Party with sweetener to market it for their buddies at the DNC.
Make no mistake, the Coffee Grounds Party is totally Astroturf, Socialist Style.
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- Communist Dictator Lover, Sean Penn: Go Die of Rectum Cancer
- Stupak: They are ignoring me now; Obama turns to SEIU for threatening House no voters. With what? death?
- Pro-Lifers hand Pro-Abortionists their walking papers; Florida ‘Planned Parenthood’ Program admits defeat
- Obama Arrogance: Federalized Student Loans attached to Senate ObamaCare Reconcilation ramjob
- Dana Carvey Does Obama, Enjoy!
(video) - breaking: Obama’s Panic Erupts; Cancels Mar 18th Trip; poor baby poor baby
- Obama’s Deadline Died; Time to Easter Mob the DEMS Townhalls
- Pelosi paints Massa as the “Victim”; Swamp Woman Strikes Again
- Sarah Palin to help send Internet Troll to Prison
- Passage of ObamaCare now far from assured; Pelosi determination? reduced to ‘hopeful’
- The Mighty Tea Party Movement gives Obama a Philadelphia Hotfoot
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Additional reading…
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Michelle Malkin:NYT pity party for Obama bundler-turned-bungler Desiree Rogers and Nancy Pelosi: Un-merry maid and Panic at the Team O: Asia jaunt delayed for Demcare
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Dick Morris:FENCE-SITTING ON OBAMACARE: BEING JIM MATHESON and MAGNIFICENT, BUT NOT POLITICS and URGENT: FINAL HEALTH CARE VOTE COMING IN DAYS and CALL THESE SWING CONGRESSMEN ON HEALTH CARE and OBAMACARE’S DEFINING MOMENT: IT’S DO OR DIE (LITERALLY) and HIT THE PHONES AND WRITE YOUR CHECKS TO STOP OBAMACARE
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Boudica BPI: Competent Government? LOL total incompetence.
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Mr Michigan: Sean Penn and his tinpot dictator wannabee communist buddy
I don’t care who it was, the question was why?
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/759760—danny-millions-williams-heads-south-for-heart-surgery
‘Danny Millions’ Williams heads south for heart surgery
Wealthy Newfoundland premier sparks a backlash over decision to get treatment in United States
Coffee grounds party. I like that. It seems so earthy and almost rootsy….but not quite.
who it was? did he die? He didn’t go see the same doctor as you, did he foxy? hahahaha
If Obutthole doesn’t get Healhcare pushed through, his Socialist friends will see him as a failure, and he doesn’t want that. That’s why he’s pushing so hard for it.
Can’t answer, Rosey? as I expected. No answer.
do you really need an answer foxy? Isn’t it obvious why he came to the US? Have I ever disputed that it takes longer to get care in Canada? NO?
I’m glad for rich Canadians that they can come down here and get the best care. I’m glad for Canadians who can afford supplemental insurance that covers them for procedures in the US. I think this should be available to US people too. Why not give the rich the option to pay extra for premier care? I don’t know why, do you?
Thanks for the Concession Rosey. )
Healthcare insurance can be fixed without Communized Healthcare. As stated before, if you change jobs or change coverage, you automatically go to Communized Healthcare that is in the house and senate bill. After 5 years, everyone else defaults to Communized Healthcare.
Fix the problem without F-ing up everybody elses Healthcare.
far be it from me to retain a concession when a concession is due….
Love you like a sister Rose.
maybe you should go back and reread the bill foxy?
there’s a big difference between communized healthcare and what you have tried to bulldoze through on this blog. What you try to claim is false. But keep trying and maybe you’ll convince somebody. It won’t be me.
The Scott Brown vid appears to the the hot clip on FOX news, VF.
I would suggest you read it Rose. You clearly don’t know what you talk about.
I don’t have plans to convince you of anything. Just calling you out when you spew garbage.
love the line, “but hey, demagogues have never been sticklers for facts” hahaha
March 13, 2010 in Opinion
Doctor-patient tie pristine? Grow up
Froma Harrop The Spokesman-Review Print
The lights must dim around Google’s data-storage centers every time someone does a search for “government bureaucrat coming between you and your doctor.” Foes of the Democrats’ health reform proposals have been chanting this on the hour for a year – with a surge after Democrats put money for “comparative effectiveness research” in the stimulus bill.
This involves comparing treatments for the same condition to find which works best. The reform-killers insist that “government-run” health care would use these findings to tell doctors what to do, largely in the name of saving money. The stimulus legislation clearly states that cost may not be a factor in determining best practices – the studies would highlight the most successful treatments, not the cheapest ones. But hey, demagogues have never been sticklers for facts.
Those who care to move this conversation to a more grownup level will note a recent article buried in the Wall Street Journal. Its headline was, “Insurer Plays Judge on Cancer Care.”
The piece notes that the giant insurer UnitedHealthcare “has started sending doctors individualized reports assessing their treatment of breast, lung and colorectal cancer patients.” The company hopes that by showing doctors “how their treatments might vary from medical protocol,” they will “reduce unnecessary care that doesn’t improve health and raises health-care costs.” Sounds like the government’s comparative effectiveness research, except with money a factor.
Now let’s move this discussion to a higher plane still. Money should be a factor. One can’t blame insurers for wanting physicians to use better or just-as-good treatments that will save them money. We love our doctors, of course, but some are not up to date or direct patients toward things they have investments in or are looking to enhance their incomes through excessive treatment.
for the rest of the article:
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/mar/13/doctor-patient-tie-pristine-grow-up/
As you procaimed last week, you don’t have time to read the bills.
“love the line, “but hey, demagogues have never been sticklers for facts” hahaha
March 13, 2010 in Opinion”
OPINION?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
POOR POOR FEEBLE TRY!
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
“What you try to claim is false. ”
Now eat your words.
http://smokebreak.blogshevik.com/2009/07/25/hr-3200-a-deadly-swamp-of-socialized-medicine/
After a 5 year grace period, all private insurers that are still in business will be required to offer a “qualified health benefits” plan based on government standards. This on page 17, section 102(b)(1)(A).
According to this its HR 3200 Page 16 Section 102
http://capwiz.com/eagleforum/issues/…ertid=13764501
Outlaw private individual health coverage. On page 16 of H.R. 3200, in section 102 entitled Protecting the Choice to Keep Current Coverage, the bill clearly states, “the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day” of the year the bill becomes law. As verified by the House Ways and Means Committee last week, this provision means that this health care bill itself will kill the market for private individual coverage by not allowing any new policies to be written after the public option becomes law.
A decent explanation and locations within the bill of points to ponder…
http://uaddit.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=1336
A good question. Today I read a blog post and there were some good reasons exposed by the blogger.
“1. We simply can not afford it. The Congressional Budget Office states that even with higher taxes on high income earners and penalties on employers who don’t provide coverage, the plan will fall $239 billion short of covering its cost of over $1 trillion. That is their best case scenario without the bill being completely scored.
2. It will not cover everyone. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that over 17 million people would remain uninsured AFTER this plan is implemented.
3. You will not be able to shop for or obtain private insurance if you do not have private insurance prior to the bill being passed. This is somewhat clearly stated on pgs. 16 and 17 in section 102(a)(1)(A).
4. After a 5 year grace period, all private insurers that are still in business will be required to offer a “qualified health benefits” plan based on government standards. The problem is whether or not the “government standards” will exclude private insurers. This on page 17, section 102(b)(1)(A).
5. No new policies will be allowed to be written by a private insurer after the public option becomes law. Also page 17.
6. Every five years, the elderly will have to attend a mandatory “advanced care planning consultation” for an “explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end of life services.” The consultation will be conducted more frequently if a significant change in health condition; including diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life limiting disease, terminal diagnosis, life threatening injury or upon admission to a skilled nursing or long term care facility. In other words, if you are old, you will be consulted about what your options will be if you get sick, if healthcare would not be an option (see #7). This starts on page 425.
7. Page 501 of the bill starts a section that indicates that $1 billion will be spent on “comparative effectiveness research” which is how the government evaluates relative merits of various treatments. In other words, rationing. This is tantamount to the government determining whether or not you are worth getting a particular treatment depending on your prognosis or age. Sec. 1401 Part D
8. This plan would allow for government funded abortions. Since this bill would cover all procedures, abortion is included. There is no exception for abortion.
9. Members of congress and unions would be exempt from this plan and not have to be a part of the healthcare plan. Recently, John Fleming, introduced H.R. 615 that stated that members that vote in favor of a government run healthcare must enroll under the public option. No democrat would sign on. If it is not good enough for congress, it is not good enough for us! This is section 3116.
10. $500 billion will be cut from senior healthcare to help pay for this bill. This will weaken Medicare, an organization already in trouble due to insufficient funds.
11. Hospitals and private healthcare facilities will not be able to collect money from the government plan unless they are “public” facilities.
12. Businesses will be fined over 8% of an employee’s salary if they do not provide healthcare insurance for their employees. Sec. 313.
13. Individuals that do not have health insurance will be fined an amount that will encourage them to purchase the government plan. Sec 401 Part VIII Subpart A Sec. 59B.
14. All “people,” legal or not, will be covered under this plan and identification cards will be issued. These identification cards will not be based on social security numbers.
Just a few pieces I came across. DL the PFD and reference it.
foxy, do you understand what a “health insurance exchange” is? Here’s something to help you out. I think the problem here is that you don’t understand what you are reading. I realize it’s difficult to understand. I sometimes have trouble myself.
http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/7908.pdf
and don’t forget the part about mandatory chip implants for all public option insured.
in other words rationing? Why not use another word? let’s pull one out of the air. How bout “efficiency”?
7. Page 501 of the bill starts a section that indicates that $1 billion will be spent on “comparative effectiveness research” which is how the government evaluates relative merits of various treatments. In other words, rationing. This is tantamount to the government determining whether or not you are worth getting a particular treatment depending on your prognosis or age. Sec. 1401 Part D
Tomato Tomoto
Lefties read it all wrong anyway.
It’s like they read the Constitution using todays wording. In otherwords MISINTERPRETATION.
Didn’t you get anything out of the Commie stuff I posted yesterday?
you obviously didn’t read the above “opinion” piece. please find some credible source for your information. rationing is not what the comparative effectiveness research is about. That would be the Medicare Advisory Board or whatever they are calling it now.
point 7 is inaccurate, which discredits the blogger making the points. sorry.
OPINION
tomato, dildo…it’s all the same to some people.
Opinion is opinion.
A Communist by any other name is still a Communist.
“tomato, dildo…it’s all the same to some people”
Let’s agree to disagree. We are heading no where.
We can come back again tomorrow and play.
Like you V, the guy is a rock star. Going to post. Jim
I think you misunderstood. Yes, it’s opinion, but it gives the page numbers to the bill. DL the PFD and reference it. Then you can see for yourself without OPINION added.
“point 7 is inaccurate, which discredits the blogger making the points. sorry. ”
So if George Washington or Saul Alinsky ever made an inaccurate point, that makes their other points a failure? Hmmmmmmm…
“in other words rationing? Why not use another word? let’s pull one out of the air. How bout “efficiency”?”
How about rationing?
Tomato, Tomoto
If you understand what she really means, you know it means RATIONED healthcare.
In Delivering Care, More Isn’t Always Better, Experts Say
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/28/AR2009092803837.html?wprss=rss_print/asection
By Ceci Connolly
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, September 29, 2009
A dirty word in health-care reform is “rationing,” a term that conjures up the image of faceless government bureaucrats denying lifesaving therapies in the name of cutting costs.
But what if the real issue is not the specter of future rationing, but the haphazard, even illogical, way in which care is delivered today?
Medical professionals say the fundamental problem in the nation’s health-care system is the widespread misuse and overuse of tests, treatments and drugs that drive up prices, have little value to patients, and can pose serious risks. The question, they say, is not whether there will be rationing, but rather what will be rationed, and when and how.
“More is not necessarily better,” said Bernard Rosof, chairman of the board of directors of New York’s Huntington Hospital and a board member of the independent National Quality Forum. “In many cases, less is better.”
When the Senate Finance Committee resumes its consideration of health-care legislation Tuesday, the lawmakers will be wading into one of the most complex, emotionally charged aspects of today’s $2.4 trillion system. Democrats, feeling politically singed by this summer’s talk of “death panels,” are struggling to explain how a bill that would take hundreds of billions of dollars out of the system would not affect care.
Republicans, sensing a political opening, intend to highlight provisions they say could lead to the denial of medical services, or rationing.
“We don’t want to turn health care over to a bunch of bureaucrats in Washington, who then will determine what kind of health care we have,” committee member Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) said recently. “And you know that rationing is going to happen.”
Critics of the Democrats’ bill cite places, such as Canada and Europe, where government experts prioritize the delivery of medical services. Wait times, particularly for specialists, may stretch for weeks or months under such a system, they fear.
“Here in the States, we get access to new drugs and medical devices,” said Canadian-born Sally C. Pipes, president of the market-oriented Pacific Research Institute. “I have friends in Vancouver who can’t get colonoscopies; they wait six or seven months.”
Others, however, see problems of misalignment in the American system, fueled by industry advertising, physician fears about malpractice lawsuits and a culture that craves the latest, greatest everything. The situation here, they argue, is that there is not enough care for some, and too much for others.
Often, people with generous insurance plans can run up large bills and face life-threatening complications from unnecessary care: back surgeries that result in wound infections, when physical therapy might have been a more effective treatment; imaging scans that expose patients to radiation; medication-caused side effects that must be treated.
As much as $850 billion spent on medical care each year “can be eliminated without reducing the quality of care,” according to a 2008 report by the New England Healthcare Institute. That is enough money to extend insurance coverage to more than 30 million people, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
The misuse and overuse runs from simple antibiotics to sophisticated surgeries, Rosof said. More than $58 billion is spent on inappropriate drugs, such as antibiotics for upper respiratory infections that do not respond to medication, according to the institute report. About $21 billion is spent treating non-urgent cases in the emergency department, where physicians rely more on duplicative and costly tests because they are unfamiliar with their patients’ histories.
The largest potential area for savings — up to $600 billion a year — is the great “unexplained” variation in hospital procedures such as the number of Caesarean sections and coronary bypass surgeries performed. Vaginal delivery is far safer than a C-section, and prescription medicines can stabilize many heart patients without dangerous surgical complications, Rosof said. Less invasive and risky alternatives are also less expensive.
“We will eliminate a lot of harm that comes from the overuse and inappropriate use and misuse of medical interventions,” he said. “This is not about rationing. This is about practicing evidence-based medicine.”
In theory, Joseph Antos, a health policy scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, agrees. One classic example, he said, is the widespread use of full-body scans “by middle-class people who are probably a little neurotic.”
“If they want to spend their money on that, that’s fine. If they want to spend our money on that, we ought to think about it,” he said. “The problem is, there are very few examples of things like full-body scans where it is a no-brainer. When you get down to the specific individual cases, it’s very difficult.”
In a world of finite resources, it is logical to worry about rationing, said Mark V. Pauly, a professor of health-care management at the Wharton School of Business in Philadelphia. Making greater use of advanced practice nurses is one way to trim costs and maintain high quality, he said. But he suspects there are few instances of such “low-hanging fruit.”
Many others express confidence that better data on what works and greater use of electronic medical records will help physicians deliver high-value care. But the shift will also require changes in payment incentives, malpractice laws and, ultimately, cultural attitudes.
In today’s system, doctors face increasing pressure to perform expensive tests and procedures they know may not be necessary, or even advisable, said Arthur Kellerman, an associate dean at Emory School of Medicine in Atlanta and a physician at that city’s Grady Memorial Hospital. Patients routinely arrive in the hospital’s emergency room complaining of a headache and asking for a CT scan. Though the costly scan can help detect tumors and aneurysms, Kellerman counsels against it, explaining the risk of radiation exposure.
“We can always revisit it down the road if the problem persists,” he tells the patient. Kellerman has just rationed care. But, he maintains, it is the right kind of rationing, based on known benefits and risks. And reducing traffic in the ER helps free up beds, machines and doctors to treat the true emergencies.
As he put it: “In the United States today, we give you all the care you can afford, whether or not you need it, as opposed to all the care you need, whether or not you can afford it.”
It must be hard being a liberal.
“Have I ever disputed that it takes longer to get care in Canada? NO”
And that is RATIONING! It takes longer because they don’t have it.
Don’t cry for me Argentina!
Efficiency in ridding of the unwanted? So that maybe there will be no rationing? Getting rid of the unwanted, unneeded, and slothful would make the system efficient.
Hitler tried to find the most efficient way to remove his problems.
“point 7 is inaccurate, which discredits the blogger making the points. sorry. ”
So since you had a point that is inaccrurate, you are forever discredited? Ok… I’ll remember that.
“You heard about Rush saying he would go to Costa Rica to get health care if Obamacare passes?”
He never said that. He said he would go to Costa Rica to see a doctor. Never said he wold leave.
That’s the difference in listening to the program instead of getting the KOS talking points
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_030910/content/01125107.guest.html
Rush: Well, that has been turned into I’m going to leave the country for Costa Rica and move there if Obamacare passes. I’ve had all kinds of reporters: “Are you serious? Do you really mean this?” So I’ve had to patiently explain today to people who do not bother to stay informed on this stuff what the genesis and the primary context of my comment was. I said, “Look, there are insurance companies who don’t want to be put out of business.” We’ve talked to them on the program. I’ve talked to them privately. They are establishing health care clinics with quality doctors in places like Costa Rica. They’re going to continue to sell policies to people who have the ability to fly down there and get treatment. If I have to get thrown into this massive government health care insurance business and end up going to the driver’s license office every day when I need to go to the doctor, yeah, I’ll go to Costa Rica for treatment, not move there. So they’re just in a tizzy out there, between Costa Rica and Eric Massa. So — (laughing) — it’s going to be a fun day. Heck, it already is a fun da
Check out these quotes!! Eugenics loving genocidist!
You know, Rush is exactly right. My best friend is a doctor… and last SUMMER when everyone was talking about the hideous Obamacare, she said ALL THE DOCTORS WILL GO TO ISLANDS … and places like Costa Rica. No matter what their politics. They will go there because they know their industry is doomed if Obama tries to create a Marxist Utopia on the back of healthcare in a nation that has 6x larger population than any socialized healthcare nation…
Holy cow! This woman sounds like me. But I usually have my tongue in my cheek when I’m saying it.
No woman shall have the legal right to bear a child… without a permit for parenthood.”
- Margaret Sanger (founder of Planned Parenthood) in her proposed The American Baby Code, intended to become law.
“The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”
- Margaret Sanger (editor). The Woman Rebel, Volume I, Number 1. Reprinted in Woman and the New Race. New York: Brentanos Publishers, 1922.
Margaret Sanger was right, then she died like the rest of us.
Hi Rose and M2
Went over for dinner and an early movie at a friend’s. We watched “Doubt.” OK, OK so did the priest really do it? I say Yes because somewhere in there he looked at Meryl and said she should understand or something – perhaps it was that she should understand being wrongly accused? HEEEELP
Rose I promise I will not unfurl the constitution of Chile if you will come out and play…
Could someone please tell me what the big diff is between going to Costa Rica for health care and going to Costa Rica to see a doctor?
And can someone tell me where in the following question did I say that Rush said he would leave the country?
“You heard about Rush saying he would go to Costa Rica to get health care if Obamacare passes?”
I have found it quite humorous that you have repeated this question of mine at least 4 times. Have you reread what you copy and paste? If you did, you will see how you are trying to attribute words to me that I never said.
I’m not sure why your panties are so tied up in knots but maybe you should get outside and get some air. That’s what I am going to do. Or go defrost all your red meat for your grill tomorrow. I hope you at least trim the fat off because we really don’t want to lose you. I wouldn’t have anyone to shred around here.
and fyi, I do not read the daily kos. Does it sound like I do? Do you read it?
foxy said:
So since you had a point that is inaccrurate, you are forever discredited? Ok… I’ll remember that.
“You heard about Rush saying he would go to Costa Rica to get health care if Obamacare passes?”
He never said that. He said he would go to Costa Rica to see a doctor. Never said he wold leave.
That’s the difference in listening to the program instead of getting the KOS talking points
Hi SH!
sorry, I gotta get some sunshine while it’s out there.
don’t forget to turn your clocks ahead tonight!
How come I come on the blog just in time to get the kiss of death?
I know Rush is not going to Costa Rica to live. I have friends who did that. It’s a mixed bag. They came home.
What is the daily KOS? Kiss of Socialism?
Sunshine – I think you need to take a martini with you !
I guess KOS is the Kiss of Sunshine. I got it. Tend to the clocks and see you later – maybe tomorrow – maybe not.
Paranoia is not creeping in just lonliness.
BBL everyone.
It’s enough to make you hate all political positions the things that come down here while I’m away from the blog.
At least I still like all the sexual positions.
Life in the US at this point in time is like having eaten a banana and waiting for the peel to drop. You won’t slip on it. Your neighbor will and he will sue you for reckless endangerment, lack of composting and racism. Yes racism. It is in every lawsuit now.
I cut and paste “the best of Rosey”
I have files for you.
“and fyi, I do not read the daily kos. Does it sound like I do”
It’s called indoctrination. You don’t have to read it, you know so many people that do, you sound like them.
I try to keep from embarrassing you, but you keep opening up your mouth.
“Do you read it?”
That’s how I know your typical Libby.
Know thy enemy.
“And can someone tell me where in the following question did I say that Rush said he would leave the country?”
“You heard about Rush saying he would go to Costa Rica to get health care if Obamacare passes?”
Democrats Dump Student Aid Overhaul Into Health Care Bill
If a yearlong struggle to pass sweeping health care reform that will affect every American wasn’t enough for Democrats, they have now decided to add a sweeping overhaul of student aid to the bill.
That means Democrats will try to muscle through two top administration priorities using a bare-knuckled tactic called reconciliation that only requires the approval of a simple majority in the Senate and prevents Republicans from killing the bills through filibusters.
With the student aid changes folded into the bill, Republicans suddenly had a new reason to oppose legislation they have long sought to scuttle.
“Well of course it’s a very bad idea,” said Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky. “We now have the government running banks, insurance companies, car companies, and they do want to take over the student loan business.”
He said it was symptomatic of Democrats’ determination to have “the government expand its tentacles into absolutely everything.”
The decision to add far-reaching student aid changes to the bill had its roots in obscure parliamentary rules governing the Senate’s debate of the legislation. But House Democrats and the White House quickly seized on it as a way to advance a top administration priority that lacks the 60 votes needed to clear the Senate otherwise.
The student aid measure, which has been stalled for nearly a year, would require the government to originate student loans, closing out a role for banks and other private lenders who charge a fee. Obama proposed taking the savings and plowing it into higher Pell Grants that go to needy college students.
Officials said that under current estimates, the change would free as much as $66 billion over a decade, although House Speaker Nancy Pelosi indicated she wanted it spread beyond Pell Grants to other education programs.
But the Congressional Budget Office recently said that since some 2,300 colleges and universities have already gone over to direct lending, upping the potential cost of the legislation to $68 billion over a decade, eating up the cost-savings projected.
Not only that but Pell Grants have soared in the bad economy so it is conceivable the fiscal picture could worsen.
But Democrats are confident this will be a popular program, particularly since they are taking the power out of the hands of bankers who are not in danger of winning any popularity contests.
The health care bill appeared on the cusp of passage in early January, but was derailed when Senate Republicans won a Senate seat in Massachusetts, and with it, the strength needed to sustain a filibuster and block a final vote.
In the weeks since, the White House and Democrats have embarked on a two-part rescue strategy. It calls for the House to pass legislation that cleared the Senate in December, despite numerous objections, and for both houses to follow immediately with a second bill that makes changes to the first.
The second, fix-it bill would be drafted under rules that strip Senate Republicans of the ability to require Democrats produce a 60-vote majority.
A procedural vote in the House Budget Committee is set for Monday afternoon, but as of late Friday lawmakers still hadn’t gotten the final analysis from the Congressional Budget Office that they need to go forward.
Obama is delaying his departure on an Asian trip for three days — until March 21 — and he will go to Ohio next week for a campaign-style pitch for his health care proposals.
The delay gives congressional leaders much-needed breathing room to finish the legislation and nail down support from wavering lawmakers.
At its core, the health care bill is designed to provide health care to tens of millions who lack it and ban insurance companies from denying medical coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions. Obama also wants the measure to begin to slow the rate of growth in medical costs nationwide. Most people would have to get insurance by law, and poor and middle-income Americans — including families of four earning up to $88,000 — would receive subsidies.
Whatever the outcome, there was no doubt the issue would reverberate into this fall’s elections, with control of Congress at stake.
Obama outlined numerous requested changes several weeks ago, many of them designed to satisfy the concerns of House Democrats.
They would increase subsidies for lower income families who cannot afford insurance, give additional money to states that provide higher-than-average benefits under Medicaid, and gradually close a coverage gap in the Medicare prescription drug program used by millions of seniors.
Congressional officials said all three issues would be addressed in the fix-it bill, although other administration requests remained in doubt. The president wants creation of a commission with authority to force savings in Medicare, for example, and is seeking the deletion of items sought by individual senators.
Those were among the issues still in dispute after days of secretive talks involving the White House and House and Senate leaders.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/13/democrats-dump-student-aid-overhaul-health-care/
Good Evening everyone. I have much to do tonight but wanted to post this article asap!
Will check back later……………………
OK guys, what threads are we following tonight?
Here’s some good stuff at Onion:
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/breaking_news_some_bullshit?utm_source=videoembed
Rosey, I can for a fact say now that you lie. You said “You heard about Rush saying he would go to Costa Rica to get health care if Obamacare passes?
Are you afraid to go back a few days and see for yourself, LIAR!
Hey I’m off to see a movie. FOX you are so obsessed with your arguments with Rosie you didn’t even see me here for a full ten minutes. BBL
and please do tell me what part of that is a lie foxy?
did you not hear Rush say he would go to Costa Rica for health care? Do you not realize that he will see doctors when seeking health care?
I am done arguing this point. If noone else will set fox straight, then I throw my hands up. Please let me know when he apologizes for calling me a liar and admits that he is wrong for calling me one.
When are you going to apologize for last week?
I admit your wrong.
If she said he was going to get “health care” then that’s diff. than “moving there if healthcare passes”, which is what the MEDIA is going wild about. ONE for Rosehips. Haha, fox. It sound like you are sayin the same thing!
Rush is so right though. 99.8% of the time. LOL …. He played a montage of the media talking about him moving there. It was mainstream outlets like CNN and NBC, ABC.
They wish!
Everyone knows El Rushbo is moving to New Zealand after Obama destroys the free world. He’s said that many times.
Sorry to jump off the blog so abruptly SamH, dinner was getting to be ready and I was on the husbands new “mini” PC laptop which, Windows and M2 don’t mix. I literally cannot use Windows without cussing and I hat PC keyboards and touchpads.
People, I can’t use a windows machine. And I admit it.
I have left a message in the Conference Room
Good Morning my Fellow Patriots
It is time for REVIVAL!
Why are we here and what is our Mission?
Back to Basics: LET’S ROLL!
Sieg Heil und Guten Morgan fellow unAmerican Nazis!
It’s time to unfurl the Confederate Swastika and fire the cannon!
We are on the Front Lines and many unsuspecting American’s are depending on us each day!
Good morning Sami!
What time do you go to work today?
Remember the Mass Vote and Scott Brown. They are depending on us to carry their message forward each and every day!
Good Morning Foxwood. I am off today and hope to spend a good deal of time here carrying forth our message of Freedom.
We are at the Cross Roads of Obama getting his Health Care passed and there is no time left for anything but presenting Our Case to those who read this blog. Nothing else matters right now!
Good Morning VF and SamH, and M2
Good Morning Asil, Tellit, Kinky, Arlene, Ohiobelle, Lisatx.
We need you all and we need you Now!
Remember your First Love and everything else shall fall into place.
“LETS ROLL PATRIOTS” LETS ROLL
Canadian Premier’s Heart Surgery Plans Raise Questions About Health Care
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584816,00.html
So if Canada’s healthcare is so much better, why did he come here?
VF
SamH
Foxwood
Rosehips
M2
Kinky
Tellit
Arlene
Ohiobelle
LisaTx
Warrant Girl
Lets Finish what we Started
Good Morning Sammy, SamHenry! Foxwood! and Rosehips!
This one is for you LisaTx
“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” — Vladimir Lenin
“The goal of socialism is communism.” — Vladimir Lenin
http://fee.org/nff/socialized-health-care-the-communist-dream-and-the-soviet-reality/
As you can see (that is, if you learned history in your public school), the Soviets really did a good job.
Good Morning Melady VF
As God is my Witness, We the People shall Prevail
Good morning VF!
Morning- check this out, from NRO. And
especially the last line “they just want this over” … Meaning NO Dems under pressure are cracking and look at how they view this nation killing legislation! They just want this over???
How about voting no on what they know is nothing more than a piece of crap slavery bill?
From:
http://www.fff.org/blog/jghblog2008-05-28.asp
Socialism Is the Root of Healthcare Woes
by Jacob G. Hornberger
The healthcare system in the Czech Republic has a valuable, albeit perhaps discomforting, lesson for Americans.
For decades, Americans have convinced themselves that they live in a free-enterprise country. For such Americans, such government programs as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and public schooling are an important and essential part of America’s free-enterprise system.
Consider the healthcare system in the Czech Republic, which used to be under the domination of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. According to an article in yesterday’s New York Times, “Under communism, health care was free…. Many Czechs see it as a matter of principle that health care should be free.”
Did you catch the operative word — “free”? The reason that healthcare under communism is considered “free” is because the government guarantees it for everyone. Communists and socialists believe that free healthcare is a fundamental right.
Explaining the Czech mindset, Marc J. Roberts, who teaches at Harvard’s School of Public Health, analogized, “Most people in the United States believe that primary education should be free and open to all and that it shouldn’t be subject to market principles.”
Roberts might have also used socialist and communist Cuba as an example, given the free education that the Cuban government provides its citizens from elementary school through college. For that matter, he could also have pointed out that free health care has long been a core program in Fidel Castro’s communist and socialist system.
Of course, health care under communism and socialism isn’t really free given that it is financed by government-imposed taxes, most of which, as the Times points out, are taken out of people’s paychecks.
The reason that the Czech healthcare system is in the news is that a doctor’s visit now costs $1.85 while a hospital stay costs $4 per day. An American might be tempted to ask, “What’s wrong with that?” The Czechs would respond that no one should have to pay anything for healthcare. After all, free healthcare, they say, is a fundamental right.
Of course, there is one slight downside to the socialist/communist healthcare system in the Czech Republic: According to the Times, the country ranks “at or near the bottom in life expectancy, as well as mortality rates for strokes, heart disease, and cancer.”
Oh well, I suppose no healthcare system is perfect, not even a “free” one.
Why does the healthcare system in the Czech Republic provide a valuable one for the American people? Primarily because it might help to pierce the life of the lie and mindset of delusion that afflicts so many Americans — that is, that America has a free-enterprise healthcare system.
If Americans come to realize that their government-provided Medicare and Medicaid are not free enterprise but instead akin to the socialist and communist system in the Czech Republic (and Cuba), then maybe they’ll begin to see that the healthcare woes that are afflicting our nation are not caused by free enterprise but instead by socialism.
Only by reaching the right diagnosis of America’s healthcare ills is there any hope that Americans will arrive at the correct prescription — the one that the Czechs unfortunately have not yet arrived at. That prescription entails the adoption of a truly free-market health care system, one in which Medicare, Medicaid, and all other forms of government involvement in healthcare are removed entirely from the body politic.
Mr. Hornberger is founder and president of The Future of Freedom Foundation.
Good Morning M2!
check out the conference room for comments relative to the blog itself.
Good Morning M2
Communist Party USA: Keep Up the Momentum for Strong Health Care Reform Now
http://romanticpoet.wordpress.com/2009/12/05/communist-party-usa-keep-up-the-momentum-for-strong-health-care-reform-now/
Good mornning VF, Sam, fox, and samhenry!
So the Dems who are somewhat sane people “just want this over”… Could this legislation and process BE ANY MORE EMBARRASSING??? They’ve had to bribe, cheat, and vote I’m the wee hours of holidays and weekends….
And now “they just want this over”, oh poor babies!!!! Cry me a river.
It’s a travesty what these people are lazily allowing to happen because they don’t have the balls to stand up to a male ballerina and a botoxed grandmother.
Good morning M2!
M2 says:
And now “they just want this over”, oh poor babies!!!! Cry me a river.
It’s a travesty what these people are lazily allowing to happen because they don’t have the balls to stand up to a male ballerina and a botoxed grandmother.
M2,
My sides are splitting from laughter. How do you come up with these thoughts?
rofl
What I don’t understand is that no matter how much you show a liberal that healthcare is a socialist take over they have one of two responses.
1) It’s not true, it’s a right.
b) So, is Communism so bad?
Both answers are indoctrinated in public school.
Well I’m sure there’s a lot more “we’ll destroy your life” involved… But still. Come on. How about the alternative? They’re going to facillitate the destruction of lives for generations.
Dems just seem weak to me. And so the leadership preys on the group-think they’ve instilled in their party for decades.
I’m just frustrated they won’t stand their ground. And that the leadership is a thugocracy, which is using intimidation and bribery to pass bills the people are against.
Where is the rule of law? There is no law when the democrat party is in charge?
So many republicans stepped down for scandals that were a mere hair of what the democrats are embroiled in (when they were in charge), but Pelosi accuses the CIA of lying and then records released show she was informed not once but twice of what she lied about? Seriously. If we don’t have LAW in a Democracy we don’t have a Republic. The democrats are making sure the mob rules without law.
And the mob is: whoever they can threaten and intimidate to create the illusion of a “majority”.
Castro’s Dictatorship and Cuban Health Care:
http://volokh.com/posts/1203552205.shtml
M2,
The Socialists project themselves as the champions of the victims of the Right.
This is the mentality they have adopted as the weaker party… the party of Fight Back.
Now they are in power with no one to Fight Back against… and are in a position of having to defend their actions.
They dont know how that goes… and they think all they need to do is keep repeating the same lies and folks will follow them like sheep… and it is not happening.
They have to find someone to blame in order not to have to admit they and their ideology is the problem and why they are chronically the weaker party.
they are going to GET THEIR ASSES HANDED TO THEM AT THE POLLS and they want to place blame for that on anyone but themselves.
Good analysis VF…
And the best was this week when Pelosi said they needed to pass the legislation to explain it. As though they haven’t had both Houses of Congress, a doe-eyed media who willingly supresses the horrors contained within the bills, and Obama on non-stop campaign mode for 15 months.
Yes it’s the fault of the “special interests” that people DO know what’s involved in the Bill and Process, which they used to try to hide.
I guess special interests are Americans and new media blogs and congress people speaking directly to us (like Scott Brown here), and not the “special interests” they cut deals with, like big Pharma, and the insurance industry early on….
“Now they are in power with no one to Fight Back against… and are in a position of having to defend their actions.”
If we don’t keep an eye on them, they may start taking a Soviet approach (since they seem to like their ideology) and put their aggression to “WE THE PEOPLE”.
I’m going for a toasty bagel, with creme cheese in the kitchen!
BBL!
and let’s keep it in perspective…
I see the rank and file DEMs… the DEM voters as victims of the Leftist Elite… given enough time all but the most hard core has to accept that a country run by the Socialists is not acceptable to the majority of Americans. common sense rules not devil may care policies that ruin the exceptionalism and uniqueness of this country.
Americans are not trying to escape the country to China, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela… all bastions of fully evolved Socialism.
so you will not find me targeting folks like Rose as the enemy… rather as opportunities to debate the issues… better to keep focused on the real problem… Obama & Co… they have the power thus they are the danger, not folks like Rose.
I need to whip up a blogpost for today.
think about what I said, Fox, RE: Rose vs Obama & Co
Know thy enemy was meant to be that I read the daily KOS to know what they think.
do you see Rose as your enemy?
or do you, instead see Obama & Co as your enemy?
Foxwood says
Know thy enemy was meant to be that I read the daily KOS to know what they think.
and yes, I read Daily KOS and MoveOn.org and blogposts from other left wing sites… can’t live in a vacuum
If she quack like a duck…
quacks
Rose is a welcome commenter here… and friends with all, but apparently you, dear.
I advise you to stop thinking of her as your enemy and merely a ideology debate opponent.
The Democrat Party is going down the tubes… and it will accelerate if this abortion of an ObamaCare bill is somehow rammed through.
the shit will hit the fan like nothing these Leftist Elites have ever witnessed in their lives.
That Scott Brown was elected in Massachusetts to kill their Senate super majority was a warning shot over their bow…
Rose, like you Fox, is a protected commenter here. I don’t yield to pressure to shut down either of you.
I need you both to lighten up on each other… there are no enemies here… just friends who have differences of opinions.
I am rigid on this point…
I’ve not ask you to pressure her.
A commie comment is a commie comment. I call them like I see them.
I’ll lighten up. We’ll see how it goes.
I know you have not ask me to shut her down… and it is also obvious to me you dont want her here.
If that is not the case, then say:
“I want Rose to comment here.”
She makes comments meant to get under the skin of folks… and usually it is full of hot air and can usually be shot full of holes pretty easily.
Fact is, she doesn’t believe most of what she writes… she just likes to debate and play the devil’s advocate. She is totally outnumbered here… the only liberal amongst an all conservative group.
Foxwood says
I’ve not ask you to pressure her.
A commie comment is a commie comment. I call them like I see them.
I’ve told her to continue to comment. The more she comments, the more she shows herself.
I have a diff view fox… I think rose likes to bring
up lines of debate that she doesn’t necessarily believe 100% to spice up all us wiley conservatives on the blog. That’s why I have never ever thought she was at all like a communist. In fact, I have also listened when she says things she really believes. Like welfare is not good. That she has capitalist drive and she told us stories of her life… She ain’t
no communist. She doesn’t even believe in the individual mandate comrade Pelosi put in the Bills…
You know all that, I know ya do.
You know who is a communist is- no doubt, Obama. And rose don’t even like him much. But the CPUSA does!!! I was trying to remember the last name of Frank, who was Obama’s childhood mentor. That man was a pedophile and Communist right?
Yugh…. Well I actually have to go. See y’all later!
she has never been shy about what she writes…
I don’t care if she is the daughter of Stalin… I want her to feel free to comment here and be challenged but not as ‘the enemy’ rather as a misinformed person who needs to be set straight.
it is a matter of ying and yang and she keeps the blog comment log interesting and lively.
“be challenged but not as ‘the enemy’ rather as a misinformed person who needs to be set straight.”
Like I said, VF, I’ll try to moderate.
SamH, No, I don’t think of you as a Commie.
The daily KOS is a lefty radical blog site.
Just to point something out. I don’t like being called a liar.
Looks like Rose doesn’t like it either.
no one likes being called names, Fox.
none of us… and that is way name calling i.e. personal attacks are not allowed on the blog… that will ruin the good thing we have going here.
And thank you for seeing the points I am driving at.
we want rose here… we do not want to keep her from commenting… I invite it so we can debate the points… and she and I have very lively debates between the two of us.
Foxwood says
“be challenged but not as ‘the enemy’ rather as a misinformed person who needs to be set straight.”
Like I said, VF, I’ll try to moderate.
Conference room.
I saw it…
Foxwood says
Conference room.
An 80-year-old Italian goes to the doctor for a check-up. The doctor
is amazed at what good shape the guy is in and asks,’ how
do you stay in such great physical condition?’ I’m Italian and I am a golfer,’
says the old guy, ‘and that’s why I’m in such good shape. I’m up well before daylight
and out golfing up and down the fairways. I have a glass of vino, and all is well.’
‘Well’ says the doctor, ‘I’m sure that helps, but there’s got to be more to it.
How old was your Father when he died?’
‘Who said my Father’s dead?’
The doctor is amazed. ‘You mean you’re 80 years old and your Father’s still alive.
How old is he?’
‘He’s 100 years old,’ says the Old Italian golfer. ‘In fact he golfed with me this morning,
and then we went to the topless beach for a walk and had a little vino and that’s why
he’s still alive. He’s Italian and he’s a golfer, too..’
‘Well,’ the doctor says, ‘that’s great, but I’m sure there’s more to it than that.
How about your Father’s Father? How old was he when he died?’
‘Who said my Nono’s dead?’ Stunned, the doctor asks, ‘you mean you’re 80
years old and your grandfather’s still living! Incredible, how old is he?’
‘He’s 118 years old,’ says the Old Italian golfer.
The doctor is getting frustrated at this point, ‘So, I guess he went golfing with
you this morning too?’
‘No, Nono couldn’t go this morning because he’s getting married today.’
At this point the doctor is close to losing it. ‘Getting married!!
Why would a 118 year- old guy want to get married?’
‘Who said he wanted to?’
“Thought of you with love today, but that is nothing new. I thought about you yesterday, and days before that too. I think of you in silence, I often speak your name. All I have are memories and a picture in a frame. Your memory is a keepsake, with which I’ll never part. God has you in His keeping. I have you in my heart”
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