Lieberman – One against Many; it is a matter of his principles: Update: Joe didn’t blink, they did

UPDATE: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 @ 5:40 eastern

Well… it appears that Joe Lieberman stood his ground, no vote from him if the Senate’s version of ObamaCare includes either expanding Medicare for people between the age of 55-64 or a government-run insurance option AKA a single payer plan.

Obama and Reid appear to have agreed to drop both provisions to get his vote.

Ahhh… but there in lies the rub! mmmoooouuuuaaaahhhh

Without a Public Option, Hard Leftists are vowing to vote against the bill. Woe is Obama, Woe is Reid. We shall now see what unfolds over the next days as the Brass Ring continues to elude the Socialists in their bid for absolute power.

From HOTAiR’s Allahpundit » Oh my: Kill the bill, says … Howard Dean:

It’s popcorn time, kids.

Democratic votes may stay home from the polls in retribution for Congress failing at health reform, a top liberal lawmaker said Tuesday.

Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.), the co-chairwoman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, said that members of the Democratic Party’s base “aren’t even going to go to the polls if they don’t have a public option.”…

“I don’t see what we’ve accomplished,” Woolsey said. “If we were going to have insurance reform, we could have done that very simply. If we don’t have a public option and at the very least we don’t have a Medicare buy in then we aren’t offering any competition to the insurance industry.”

She says she doesn’t know if she could vote for Reid’s bill.

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Joe and Hadassah Lieberman

When you take a stand, you will make enemies and you will make friends.

A result of the stance taken will be:
Who will be your friends and who will be your enemies?

I do not see Joe Lieberman’s taking of a principled stance as being afraid of having Socialists as enemies when the stance taken is opposition to expanding Medicare for people between the age of 55-64 and opposition to a government-run insurance option.

The Socialists fully understand why he is opposed to their scheme… his opposition is a rejection of their goal of fundamental transformation of America into a Socialist Nation.

It must infuriate the Socialists to the point of total absolute rage that it has come down to one single man who puts his American common sense and American principles ahead of a political party’s sole goal of grabbing power for themselves at the expense of the American People.

The drama will unfold and we shall see who blinks and who doesn’t blink.

I will be updating this blogpost as the information comes in. But be assured, Obama’s calling front and center of all Senate Democrats to the White House today is a tactic of pure intimidation.

Meanwhile… Obama Surrogates at Firedoglake are using  ‘THE PERSUASION OF POWER” tactic of SEIU’s Andy Stern to attack Joe’s wife Hadassah by calling for a boycott of the Breast Cancer Organization for which she is a spokeswoman until Hadassah is fired.

What kind of people boycott a breast cancer organization for their political gain?

Answer: Socialist organizations like FireDogLake and those signing their boycott  petition:

Obama Surrogates Attack Family Members

This is not going unnoticed, Socialists… your tactics are Un-American, and there is a price you will pay in Public Polls, ergo… the Voting Booth, and it will be to your bitter sorrow.

Hey Socialists? Looks to me like your Public Option Holy Grail is Kaput. That it is a Socialist Ploy to turn the United States of America into a Socialist Country is now clearly understood by enough Americans to reject it, is a fact. Pisses you off, huh?

Americans?
Fight FireDogLake With Determination and Strength of Character

Support Breast Cancer Spokswoman, Hadassah Liberman

Donate to the
Susan G, Koman for the Cure
in the Name of Hadassah Liberman.

Show The Socialist Scumbags that Two Can Play that game.

We can do it from the Moral High Ground.

H/T To Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion for his idea of how to Support Hadassah Lieberman!

Please click on the following link to donate in Hadassah’s name:

Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion » Komen Foundation Supports Hadassah Lieberman – Time to Support Komen


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Additional reading…

Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion: The Anti-Hadassah Lieberman Jihad Continues and Harry Reid, Card Shark
HOTAiR: Gallup: Christmas spending still 20% down from 2008 and Gallup: Christmas spending still 20% down from 2008
Dick Morris: U.S. HALF WAY TO KYOTO GOALS – WITH NO GOVERNMENT REGULATION
Heritage Foundation: Guest Blogger: Rep. Capito Says We Need to Put a Personal Face on Copenhagen
Gateway Pundit: An Honest Appraisal- Hannity Gives Obama 3 F’s and an A+ and Fistgate VIII: Safe School’s Czar Jennings’ Org Promoted Book Detailing Gay Sex Between First Graders
Sister Toldjah:
How can Ezra Klein call Joe Lieberman pro-”death of hundreds of thousands of people” …
American Power: E.D. Kain Alleges Defamation: True/Slant Blogger’s Workplace Intimidation Attempts to Shut Down American Power!
Bob McCarthy Writes: Uncle Jay Explains the News: Dec. 14, 2009
Nice Deb: Today’s News In Pictures
Frugal Café: Christian Christmas Displays Still Under Attack… But 76% of Americans Believe Religious Symbols Should Be Allowed and Record-Breaking Carbon Footprint in Copenhagen: Global Warming Leaders Biggest Pigs in Consumption (video) and Honoring Bill of Rights Day… Let Freedom Ring!
The Gay Patriot: 2010 Grande Conservative Blogress Diva Nominations Still Open
Talk Wisdom:
Pre-Existence, Eternal Sonship of Christ
Michelle Malkin: Democrat introduces SEIU-backed illegal alien amnesty bill and Code Red Rally in D.C. today; Update: What will Nelson’s payoff be?; MoveOn to hold counter-protest
Patterico’s Pontifications: Grading Obama and Hiltzik: Hey, Let’s Prevent Banks from Repaying TARP Money and CBO confirms ObamaCare is a takeover of the health insurance industry
Texas For Palin:
Gov. Palin will speak at National Conservative Symposium and Sarah Palin adds second speech in Northern California

Conservatives For Palin: Governor Palin Continues to be in the News and Palin Vs. Gore: Oceans Apart and Alaska Bloggers Reach New Heights of Immaturity
Animal Farm:
ArleneArmy’s Blog:
Boudica WPI:
The second most hated Repuplican woman in the country or?
Diary of a Mad Conservative:
Hey there Obama…
Moonbat Patrol:Democrats Spending Like The World Will End In 2012. News Flash IT WILL FOR THEM! and The Obama Conundrum
OhioBelle’s Blog: OBAMACARE PACKED WITH MORE LIES
SamHenry’s Blog:Climate What? Who? Cheerless Foreign Press Coverage of Copenhagen Confusion and Unwanted Remains of Christmases Past – For My Friends at VotingFemale Blog
WarrantOneGirl:
VotingFemale Speaks!:
Sarah Palin, a Media Star; Obama, Media Liability
Temple of Mut:A Sign of the Times (…..actually two!)
Dancing Czars: Reporters Catch Gore in A Whopper and Absolute Proof That Olberman Has Spun a Lugnut! “No Liberal Media Bias”

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240 Responses to Lieberman – One against Many; it is a matter of his principles: Update: Joe didn’t blink, they did

  1. samiam60 says:

    Rosehips hello. I posted a vid and had to run do somethings came back saw your comment and well here I am but will have to leave again soon.

  2. samiam60 says:

    VF I am so glad you are doing this Post for Joe Lieberman and his wife.

    All through American History we read stories where One Individual Stood Up and made a difference.

    I for one am very proud of what Joe is doing and hope and pray he does not cave to all the pressure about to come his way.

  3. samiam60 says:

    Obama Summons Divided Dems as Health Care Deal Hangs in Balance

  4. samiam60 says:

    WASHINGTON — With a deal to overhaul the U.S. health care system hanging in the balance,President Obama has invited all Senate Democrats to the White House for a meeting Tuesday afternoon in an effort to unite his fragmented party around his signature initiative.

    Obama needs every one of them to hang together to give him the 60 votes required to overcome Republicans united in opposition to the sweeping health overhaul measure.

    The meeting comes after Sen. Joe Lieberman ,an independent from Connecticut, threatened to join Republicans in throwing the legislation off the tracks if Democrats included a proposal to expand Medicare that would have replaced a government-run insurance program that liberals have long sought.

    Now that proposal appears to have been abandoned following a closed-door senators-only meeting of the Democratic caucus called to consider trade-offs necessary to assure 60 votes for the bill. Medicare is the government program providing health care benefits to the elderly.

    “Put me down tonight as encouraged about the direction these talks are going,” Lieberman, said late Monday, only 24 hours after he rattled Democrats with his threat.

    But some Democrats, while hopeful a deal can still be reached, expressed frustration with the latest revolt from Lieberman, who campaigned heavily against Obama last year in the presidential election.

    “To often, it appears that the psychology in the Senate is the psychology of one,” House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland told Fox News when asked about Lieberman, without mentioning the senator by name.

    “(Senate Majority Leader Harry) Reid doesn’t have the votes for a public option,” Hoyer lamented. “In a world of alternatives, you focus on what you can get.”

    Sen. Ben Cardin of Maryland told Fox News Tuesday that he’s frustrated at the lack of progress on a pubic option..

    “We’re trying to get this bill done,” he said. “I can’t tell you that I’m angry. I’m a little bit frustrated that we’ve been negotiating and we haven’t been able to nail down an agreement on the public option.

    “However I think we’re very close,” he added. “I think we’re going to get it done before Christmas and I think Joe Lieberman will be supporting the bill. So this is all part of the process and we’re going to work out our differences.”

    Reid promised to deliver a deal before Christmas.

    “I’m confident that by next week we will be on our way toward final passage of a bill that saves lives, saves money and saves Medicare,” Reid told reporters after Monday night’s meeting.

    Liberals had sought the Medicare expansion as a last-minute substitute for a full-blown, government-run insurance program that moderates insisted be removed from the legislation. But it drew strong opposition from Lieberman and quieter concerns from other Democrats — all of whom hold votes essential for passage.

    Reid did not say flatly that Democrats had decided to drop the proposal for uninsured Americans as young as 55 to purchase coverage under Medicare, the government program now open to people when they turn 65. But several senators said it appeared inevitable.

    “We’re not going to get all that we want but we’re going to get so much more than we have,” liberal Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia said.

    There was no let-up in Republican criticism.

    Sen. Mitch McConnell, the party’s leader, said the legislation includes “a half a trillion dollars in cuts in Medicare, $400 billion in higher taxes and higher premiums for everyone else.”

    The overall measure, costing nearly $1 trillion over a decade, is designed to expand coverage with a new requirement for nearly everyone to purchase health insurance, and ban industry practices such as denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions. Obama also has urged Congress to slow the growth in health care spending nationally; several days after Reid submitted a package of revisions, lawmakers awaited final word from the Congressional Budget Office on that point.

    Disputes over abortion and the importation of prescription drugs from Canada and other countries also simmered as the Senate entered a third week of debate on the legislation.

    Sen. Byron Dorgan, a North Dakota Democrat, led the effort to lift a long-standing ban on the importation of prescription drugs from Canada and elsewhere. Obama favored the plan as a senator, but the pharmaceutical industry is opposed, and the White House appeared anxious not to jeopardize a monthslong alliance with drug makers who have been helpful in trying to pass the overhaul. A vote was set for late Tuesday.

    The obstacle that loomed largest was the Medicare expansion proposal, vestige of a monthslong debate over the role of government in the newly revised health care system. It emerged last week as part of a framework agreement between moderates and liberals. Additionally, the proposal calls for creation of nationwide plans run by private insurance companies under the supervision of the Office of Personnel Management, which oversees health plans for members of Congress and other federal workers.

    The two provisions were seen as a replacement for Reid’s initial call for a government-run insurance plan to compete with private industry, a liberal priority opposed by moderates as an unwanted government intrusion. The one unrelated to Medicare is expected to survive, but without standby authority for the OPM to set up a government-run plan if no private coverage options materialize.

    Opposition to the Medicare change blossomed from doctors and hospitals, who are paid less to treat Medicare patients than those covered by private insurance companies.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/15/medicare-buy-scrapped-obama-summons-dems/

  5. samiam60 says:

    “Put me down tonight as encouraged about the direction these talks are going,” Lieberman, said late Monday, only 24 hours after he rattled Democrats with his threat.

  6. VotingFemale says:

    I hope, Joe and Hadassah, like us, wear the hatred of Socialists like a Badge of Honor and draw strength from it. God Bless Joe and Hadassah.

    samiam60 says

    VF I am so glad you are doing this Post for Joe Lieberman and his wife.

    All through American History we read stories where One Individual Stood Up and made a difference.

    I for one am very proud of what Joe is doing and hope and pray he does not cave to all the pressure about to come his way.

  7. VotingFemale says:

    ObamaCare without a Public Option or a Trigger/Ploy to establish a Public Option will be an utter defeat for the Socialists…

  8. samhenry says:

    VF – the comments with atavars are still pointing to the last post. I had to go through socialist enemy territory to get here and I don’t fancy wearing a hel”mut” and flack jacket to do it.

    Great post, though. The guy at Firedoglake is nuts. I read on of his posts and I was never so confused about what anyone was saying in my life.

    In short, due to circuitous syntax, anyone who believes in him does not know where they are headed.

  9. rosehips says:

    VF, I think its more than crass of them firedogs to call for a boycott. I don’t know if Haddasah was hired on her merits or her connections, but it seems that anyone is a target in politics these days. I hope that the boycott does not hurt breast cancer research. Maybe it will just redistribute the wealth to other breast cancer groups, eh?

  10. samhenry says:

    Hi Rose – Haddasah herself has been the target of people like FDL. They have called upon the organization to dismiss her.

    Her work for defeating cancer is unquestioned.

  11. samhenry says:

    Dell – good deals at Amazon. Dell has rebuilds for sale. Then there is Ebay.

  12. rosehips says:

    Hey SH!

    Dang, I was hoping that Medicare option would stay in. I’ll be just eligible when it kicks in. I know I have been the fortunate recipient of public health insurance through subsidized health care in my state. I appreciate it deeply and am fortunate that I haven’t had to use it much. (but as I mentioned last week, our governor is cutting out the Basic Health program, at least for now.) I am just glad to have it in case of catastrophic need. I would be willing to pay for preventive care and other office visits out of pocket if I at least had coverage for a major accident or illness. A high deductible would be acceptable to me.
    From what I have heard, private health insurance for an individual like me is cost prohibitive.

    I haven’t read the bill but I don’t like that everyone will be forced to get insurance. Many people struggle to pay for utilities, rent, food, etc and insurance is a luxury for many. I understand that it costs the gov’t mucho for uninsured people though. I am fortunate to alway have had good health. I didn’t have insurance for over 10 years and never really needed it (I just paid out of pocket if I did). I am lucky though.

    I think that bare bones gov’t funded clinics using doctors who pay back for a certain number of years if they’re education was subsidized would cover the needy and uninsured and the rest can pay for the best care in the world, if they can afford the premiums.

  13. samhenry says:

    Have to tell all of you. During the great Depression, the Rochester, NY economy was OK because Kodak was then a great power as were the other international companies located here. So Kodak issued script and people used the script instead of dollars. We are so clever – why? You would be too if you were buried in snow 4 months out of the year and then rained upon the remaining 8.

  14. samhenry says:

    New York State – Governor’s Office went back on a pledge not to cut funding mid-year but has had to make a 10% cut to local entities such as schools.

    Not to be self-indulgent but I do not know how that will affect my substitute teaching? They called me in a panic the other day but my fingerprints have not yet been approved by the FBI.

    FBI – FINGERPRINT BUNGLING INSTITUTE

  15. rosehips says:

    maybe I should make some doctor’s appts before my insurance is canceled. Let’s see.

    I need to see a dermatologist for skin cancer screening
    I haven’t had a pap smear in ages
    or a mamogram
    then I should get this aching feeling checked out. It’s in the pit of my stomach. or is that my heart?

  16. rosehips says:

    Our governor is talking about reinstating funding for health insurance asap. She is talking raising taxes. We just defeated a bill that would have prevented the state from raising taxes more than the inflation rate. So she can raise taxes enough to eat away at the deficit while still reinstating insurance to tens of thousands who will be left without.
    Raising taxes is not the worst thing that can happen to Americans. Forsaking health care to our neediest families is far worse, imo.

  17. rosehips says:

    SH, FDL does question her qualifications in their statement below:

    “If Hadassah Lieberman wants to volunteer to educate women about breast cancer, I think that’s great. But she has no special qualifications for this–nothing that Komen should be paying her for–and I seriously doubt people think that’s what they’re raising money for when they “race for the cure.” And, if Senator Lieberman is “deeply offended” by the suggestion that his wife is a lobbyist, one has to wonder what he did for all those years when she was working for the biggest lobbying firms in Washington DC.”

    It would be interesting to see how much “Race for the Cure” spends on administration. That is usually a good gage for determining the effective use of funds of an org. If the percentage is too high, its cause to investigate further.

    SH said: Her work for defeating cancer is unquestioned.

  18. rosehips says:

    this is a comment on legal insurrections blog:

    “Please note that the Komen Foundation endorses embryonic stem cell research, and has a policy of permitting local affiliates to help fund abortion providers that happen to offer breast health care services.”

  19. samhenry says:

    Rose my reading of the Legalinsurrection posts on the issue was that the demand to have Hadassah removed were unfounded and unfair. I did not misread the FDL stand. It is a general perception. I don’t think you can ask an organization to fire someone just because you don’t agree with their husband’s decision. And Lou Dobbs was not fired because of that Latino advocacy group either. These are internal matters.

  20. samhenry says:

    Actually, Rose, I think that FDL were questioning her qualifications for this level of work:

    But she has no special qualifications for this–nothing that Komen should be paying her for

    They are harking back to her PAST work as a lobbyist. Everyone is a lobbyist!

  21. samhenry says:

    In short FDL is bringing outside pressure to bear on the internal workings of another organization. They are, in fact, doing this for political purposes. If they were not, they would just write a simple private letter and that would be it. This is about Joe Lieberman, not Hadassah.

  22. samhenry says:

    That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. As FOX would say (lose translation)

    I did it – but no one saw me do it – you can’t prove anything!

  23. samhenry says:

    Rose – this is a debate – not a hate fest lol Don’t be offended. These are points of view not life and death, girl.

  24. samiam60 says:

    Anyone here remember a time in America when people like Perry Como, Bob Hope, Ed Sullivan, Danny Thomas and others would actually have a real Christmas Show and sing Real Christmas Songs? I could go on and on and I am sure you could add to my list. America needs to return to her former Glory and Honor the one and onl…y True God who made it so and Blessed this Great land and it’s people. Amen

  25. VotingFemale says:

    FireMongrels are doing what Socialists have always done… crawl in the gutter and eat shit.

  26. samiam60 says:

    You don’t see TV Programing like this anymore in America. Jesus is the Reason for the Season but the dingbat ignorant left wing progressives and all their political correctness has all but bankrupted any remaining moral values in America.
    It is a shame that we stood by and let these pinheads destroy all that was Sacred there by depriving our Children and Grandchildren of the basic building blocks that America was built on. Oh what a shame and may God have Mercy on us all.

  27. ohiobelle says:

    GREAT JOB JOE!!!

    Crazy Howard is asking the Dems to kill the bill!

  28. ohiobelle says:

    I don’t think he’ll ever be this happy again… lol

  29. ohiobelle says:

    I just saw this… This sucks! Email from Glenn Beck

    UPDATE! Towards the end of the show news broke that Lieberman decided he would support the bill after all. The speculation begins – what was the price to win Lieberman? ( Transcript, Insider Audio)

  30. rosehips says:

    SH, on the contrary, I didn’t mean to offend you when I disagreed. Just friendly debate is all. Actually I was just pointing out something that didn’t mesh with what you said. Not really debating as I agree that the firedogs are digging and of course its no coincidence that they are doing it as a political punishment for lieberman denying me early medicare. heehee

  31. rosehips says:

    hey belle!

    oh boy, lieberman caved in to pressure or did he get a bone that was too juicy to pass up???

  32. ohiobelle says:

    From Glenn Beck –

    Lieberman update
    Audio Available:

    December 15, 2009 – 14:55 ET

    (Selling Out Your Country update.)

    Glenn: This is not a surprise, not a surprise.

    Pat: No. He does it every time.

    Stu: Almost every time.

    Glenn: He’s always done it once and I gave him the benefit of the doubt earlier today, that Joe Lieberman would who stand

    Stu: He didn’t last a day!

    Pat: He didn’t even last

    Stu: He didn’t last the morning!

    Pat: He’s done. (Mumbling.)

    Stu: It’s that quick!

    Glenn: He’s there.

    Stu: He’s going to vote.

    Glenn: He’s going to vote for it.

    Pat: Here’s the beauty. He didn’t even change his mind. He was completely consistent the entire time.

    Stu: Completely consistent.

    Pat: As he always is.

    Glenn: Play a little bit of the statement. Here’s his statement.

    Voice: in Washington, where Senator Joe Lieberman is talking about health care. Let’s listen in.

    Lieberman: The so called public option, government run insurance program is out and the Medicare buy in, which I thought would jeopardize Medicare, cost taxpayers billions of dollars, increase our deficit, is out, and there’s no other chance to bring things like that in, then I’m I’m going to be in a position where I can say I’m getting to a position where I can say where I wanted to say all along, that I’m ready to vote for health care reform. My whole point has been here that the President laid out a couple of big goals for this process. Costs are down for individuals, families, businesses, our government, our economy of health care and, secondly, bring a lot of people in who can’t afford health insurance now. The basic core bill does that. I think some of the other things were going to add to our debt, increase taxes.

    Glenn: Okay. Hang on just a second. So, how are we getting it? How are we getting it? What are we getting? What are we getting?

    Pat: You’ve got me.

    Glenn: What is in the bill, then?

    Pat: You’ve got me. No public option, no Medicare buy in, just perfection and awesomeness.

    Glenn: So, what is it? What is it that doesn’t cost anything yet, covers everyone, and reduces, reduces Medicare?

    Pat: And reduces cost.

    Stu: Because he was worried about if it went through Medicare, it would ruin Medicare and cost too much, but now that it’s not called Medicare, it not going to cost anything. It’s going to save us money.

    Pat: Now it’s free.

    Stu: Now it’s free. It’s negative money.

    Pat: Somebody is paying us money. I don’t know who, but somebody’s paying us money to vote for this thing.

    Glenn: Was it the pressure? Was it the pressure? I mean, I know what I know what it was. I mean, this is where Joe Lieberman and I had a falling out and Joe Lieberman and I are friends and we respected each other, but I I really believe that Joe Lieberman left his honor at the door at the Monica Lewinsky story. Joe and I were friends. I mean, it was not like we were hanging out where each other, you know, taking walks on Saturday, but we were friendly and respected each other. Joe Lieberman helped me get into Yale. And I said to Joe Lieberman during the Monica Lewinsky story, Joe, very few people have the right message at the right time. Character does matter. You are the linchpin here. If you do the right thing, the rest will follow you. And I gave him Profiles of Courage and he pushed it back on the table at me. And we were off the air. This was a personal note. And he said, I’ve read it. And I said, I want you to read it one more time. And I shoved it back to him, and he walked out and didn’t take Profiles of Courage with him. And we all know what he did at that time. He gave a tough speech, but he caved. And I’m convinced you’ll be the first Jewish vice president nominee. You, sir, will be the vice presidential nominee under Al Gore. I’m convinced that’s the deal that happened. I have no evidence of that. I just feel it. The only time Joe Lieberman he has found himself in critical positions many times. One time he has stood and he has stood with our troops and he’s paid a great price, but that’s the one time. Every other time Joe Lieberman folds like a house of cards. He folds. I gave him the benefit of doubt on this one, but I shouldn’t have. Here he is again. He folds. I asked Senator Lieberman, Where in the Constitution do you find this, sir? Where? Answer the question. Don’t tell me about you have Constitutional scholars. Don’t tell me about, well, how this has to be done or how this is deficit neutral. Answer the question. Where in the Constitution do you find this, sir? If you cannot, then do your damn job to protect the Constitution. These people in Washington are shaping the Constitution instead of allowing the Constitution to shape the country. It’s backwards and wrong.

  33. ohiobelle says:

    Hello Sam & Rosehips!

    I can’t believe he caved!!! I wonder what he got for selling out our Country?

  34. rosehips says:

    maybe the dems offered his wife a cushy job with a six figure income. haha

  35. rosehips says:

    uh oh, better stop payment on those donations.

  36. ohiobelle says:

    Rosehips wrote: maybe the dems offered his wife a cushy job with a six figure income. haha

    I’d be sooooo pissed.. haha

  37. ohiobelle says:

    Joe Lieberman has some nerve calling himself a friend to John McCain!!

  38. rosehips says:

    ahhh Joe Liberman, the senator we love to hate, and love and hate and love….

  39. rosehips says:

    JOe is a non-partisan target

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  41. samiam60 says:

    Here is a comment I made earlier today:

    All through American History we read stories where One Individual Stood Up and made a difference.

    I for one am very proud of what Joe is doing and hope and pray he does not cave to all the pressure about to come his way.

    Guess I have to eat my words.
    Joe Liberman IS NOT one of those American’s who would stand up and make a difference.

    Your done in my book Joe and your a loser.

  42. ohiobelle says:

    Sam wrote: Joe Liberman IS NOT one of those American’s who would stand up and make a difference.

    Your done in my book Joe and your a loser

    I agree 100%!!

    I am sorry but I keep getting pulled away from the computer!! UGH! I’ve got to get a couple of things done but I will return.

  43. samiam60 says:

    Good to see you Ohiobelle, Rosehips and SamH

  44. samiam60 says:

    Obama: Senate Democrats on the ‘Precipice’ of Health Care Reform

    President Obama said Tuesday that Senate Democrats were on the verge of passing historic legislation to overhaul the U.S. health care system.

  45. samiam60 says:

    WASHINGTON — After meeting with Senate Democrats at the White House in an effort to cement support for his top domestic priority, President Obama said Tuesday that they were on the verge of passing historic legislation to overhaul the U.S. health care system.

    “From the discussions we had, it’s clear we are on the precipice of achievement that’s eluded Congresses, presidents for generations — an achievement that will touch the lives of nearly every American,” Obama said.

    “There are still some differences that have to be worked on,” he said. “But whatever differences remain, there is broad consensus around reform.”

    Obama added that he is “cautiously optimistic” the bill will be passed.

    Obama said he told the senators that the party cannot let differences over individual portions of the overhaul measure kill overall attempts to reform the system. He said the measure, no matter what its final form, will be the greatest legislative achievement on health care since the passage of Medicare four decades ago.

    Earlier, Sen. Joe Lieberman, who has sent Democratic leaders and the White House scrambling in recent days to find a compromise that would win his support for the legislation, signaled that their efforts have nearly succeeded.

    “I’m getting to a position where I can say what I wanted to say all along: that I’m ready to vote for health care reform,” the independent from Connecticut told reporters Tuesday.

    Lieberman had threatened to join Republicans in throwing the legislation off the tracks if Democrats included a proposal to expand Medicare — a compromise that would have replaced a government-run insurance program that liberals have long sought.

    Obama needs every member of the Democratic caucus to hang together to give him the 60 votes required to overcome Republicans united in opposition to the sweeping health overhaul measure.

    “I think we’re headed in the right direction,” Lieberman said. “My whole point has been here, the president laid out a couple of big goals for this process. Bend the cost curve down for individuals, families, businesses, our government, our economy and health care.

    “Secondly, bring in a lot of people who can’t afford health insurance now. The basic core bill does that.”

    Lieberman’s statement followed a closed-door senators-only meeting of the Democratic caucus called to consider trade-offs necessary to assure 60 votes for the bill. Medicare is the government program providing health care benefits to the elderly.

    “Put me down tonight as encouraged about the direction these talks are going,” Lieberman, said late Monday, only 24 hours after he rattled Democrats with his threat.

    But some Democrats, while hopeful a deal can still be reached, expressed frustration with the latest revolt from Lieberman, who campaigned heavily against Obama last year in the presidential election.

    “To often, it appears that the psychology in the Senate is the psychology of one,” House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland told Fox News when asked about Lieberman, without mentioning the senator by name.

    “(Senate Majority Leader Harry) Reid doesn’t have the votes for a public option,” Hoyer lamented. “In a world of alternatives, you focus on what you can get.”

    Sen. Ben Cardin of Maryland told Fox News Tuesday that he’s frustrated at the lack of progress on a pubic option..

    “We’re trying to get this bill done,” he said. “I can’t tell you that I’m angry. I’m a little bit frustrated that we’ve been negotiating and we haven’t been able to nail down an agreement on the public option.

    “However I think we’re very close,” he added. “I think we’re going to get it done before Christmas and I think Joe Lieberman will be supporting the bill. So this is all part of the process and we’re going to work out our differences.”

    Reid promised to deliver a deal before Christmas.

    “I’m confident that by next week we will be on our way toward final passage of a bill that saves lives, saves money and saves Medicare,” Reid told reporters after Monday night’s meeting.

    Liberals had sought the Medicare expansion as a last-minute substitute for a full-blown, government-run insurance program that moderates insisted be removed from the legislation. But it drew strong opposition from Lieberman and quieter concerns from other Democrats — all of whom hold votes essential for passage.

    Reid did not say flatly that Democrats had decided to drop the proposal for uninsured Americans as young as 55 to purchase coverage under Medicare, the government program now open to people when they turn 65. But several senators said it appeared inevitable.

    “We’re not going to get all that we want but we’re going to get so much more than we have,” liberal Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia said.

    There was no let-up in Republican criticism.

    Sen. Mitch McConnell, the party’s leader, said the legislation includes “a half a trillion dollars in cuts in Medicare, $400 billion in higher taxes and higher premiums for everyone else.”

    The overall measure, costing nearly $1 trillion over a decade, is designed to expand coverage with a new requirement for nearly everyone to purchase health insurance, and ban industry practices such as denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions. Obama also has urged Congress to slow the growth in health care spending nationally; several days after Reid submitted a package of revisions, lawmakers awaited final word from the Congressional Budget Office on that point.

    Disputes over abortion and the importation of prescription drugs from Canada and other countries also simmered as the Senate entered a third week of debate on the legislation.

    Sen. Byron Dorgan, a North Dakota Democrat, led the effort to lift a long-standing ban on the importation of prescription drugs from Canada and elsewhere. Obama favored the plan as a senator, but the pharmaceutical industry is opposed, and the White House appeared anxious not to jeopardize a monthslong alliance with drug makers who have been helpful in trying to pass the overhaul. A vote was set for late Tuesday.

    The obstacle that loomed largest was the Medicare expansion proposal, vestige of a monthslong debate over the role of government in the newly revised health care system. It emerged last week as part of a framework agreement between moderates and liberals. Additionally, the proposal calls for creation of nationwide plans run by private insurance companies under the supervision of the Office of Personnel Management, which oversees health plans for members of Congress and other federal workers.

    The two provisions were seen as a replacement for Reid’s initial call for a government-run insurance plan to compete with private industry, a liberal priority opposed by moderates as an unwanted government intrusion. The one unrelated to Medicare is expected to survive, but without standby authority for the OPM to set up a government-run plan if no private coverage options materialize.

    Opposition to the Medicare change blossomed from doctors and hospitals, who are paid less to treat Medicare patients than those covered by private insurance companies.

    Fox News’ Chad Pergram and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/15/medicare-buy-scrapped-obama-summons-dems/

  46. samhenry says:

    I have not read where Lieberman folded. Ouch. If he did, there goes the nation. But there goes Lieberman. He is not a man of principle after all. He is just another politician.

  47. dancingczars says:

    Sorry, the options that Lieberman was against were put in knowing they would drop and now Lieberman will vote for the program. Ben Nelson was offered a $500,000,000 bribe for his vote, let’s watch how fast he caves.

  48. dancingczars says:

    Let’s make that were against LOL Jim

  49. samhenry says:

    But where do I go to read about this? WAAH

  50. samiam60 says:

    Tea Party Movement Evolves Into Political Force With Eye Toward 2010.

    The “tea party” movement that gained steam shortly after President Obama took office is seeing a surge in popularity, with a string of candidates and officials willing to take up its cause and a political infrastructure that’s starting to mirror that of an actual political party.

  51. samiam60 says:

    What started as a conservative protest klatch has evolved into a political force with enough muscle to potentially alter the course of the 2010 mid-term elections.

    The “tea party” movement that gained steam shortly after President Obama took office is seeing a surge in popularity, with a string of candidates and officials willing to take up its cause and a political infrastructure that’s starting to mirror that of an actual political party.

    The tea party activists rallied for smaller government and lower taxes again on Capitol Hill Tuesday afternoon — among the headliners were Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., and former Texas Rep. Dick Armey, whose FreedomWorks group has acted as somewhat of an umbrella organization.

    That’s just the latest affirmation of tea party momentum:

    – Various tea party groups and supporters, including FreedomWorks, are launching political action committees to back candidates financially in the 2010 elections.

    – A Rasmussen poll last week showed that more voters would rather elect a “Tea Party” congressional candidate than a Republican one.

    – A documentary film was recently released tracking the evolution of the movement.

    – And several groups are pulling together the National Tea Party Convention in early February in Nashville, where former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is set to headline.

    Sherry Phillips, vice president of convention organizer Tea Party Nation, said the event will be a chance for hundreds of delegates to figure out the future of the movement.

    “It needs to move past just the rallies,” Phillips told FoxNews.com. “We can’t just stand around holding signs.”

    Prominent Republicans including Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann and Tennessee Rep. Marsha Blackburn plan to speak at the convention. Phillips said the overarching goal of the tea partiers is to affect the 2010 elections and support candidates who reflect their values.

    She said there’s a split within the multifaceted movement over whether tea party should be big “T” or little “t.” In other words, do the activists form their own party, officially, or try to influence the composition of the existing ones?

    Tea Party Nation opposes the creation of a new third party. And FreedomWorks’ Matt Kibbe said the special election in upstate New York last month — in which Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman drove the Republican candidate out of the race with the help of tea party activists — can be considered an “anomaly.” (Hoffman ended up losing narrowly to Democrat Bill Owens.)

    “I think a more practical solution is to take over the GOP,” Kibbe said, explaining that the tea party movement can have the most impact by directing volunteers and money in support of GOP candidates who reflect their small-government values.

    He mentioned Pennsylvania, where Pat Toomey is carrying the conservative banner in the U.S. Senate race, and Florida, where Marco Rubio is doing the same, as two model states.

    “We’re going to see a new set of leaders in Washington come November,” Kibbe said.

    FreedomWorks, meanwhile, is planning to put its money where its mouth is in the coming months. Armey told Fox News his group will start a PAC, not to fund candidates directly but to fund activities who support them.

    Organizer Eric Odom recently launched his Liberty First PAC, and Phillips said her group is also considering creating a PAC.

    The Republican Party would prefer to invite tea partiers into the fold rather than run against them in general elections, and this may force a change in the makeup of the GOP itself.

    Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele said his hope is that “we can all come together.”

    “This is the conservative party of the country,” Steele said. “We offer that … political infrastructure, if you will, if you want to run for office or if you want to be involved politically. This is the best place to do it.”

    The Rasmussen poll spelled out the kind of vote-splitting trouble the tea party movement could stir if it forms a third party. It showed that 23 percent of people would pick a “Tea Party” candidate on a congressional ballot without knowing who that candidate is, while just 18 percent would pick the Republican. Thirty-six percent would pick a Democrat.

    The poll of 1,000 likely voters was conducted Dec. 4-5 and had a margin of error of 3 percentage points.

    FoxNews.com’s Judson Berger and Fox News’ Molly Henneberg contributed to this report.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/15/tea-party-movement-evolves-political-force/

  52. samiam60 says:

    The Republican Party has lost their Faithful.

  53. samiam60 says:

    Evangelist, University Founder Oral Roberts Dies at Age 91

  54. samhenry says:

    I just saw a Washington post vid of Lieberman made 1 hour ago and he said that he would vote for health care if the public health component and early age medicare are out and it appears that they both will be.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2009/12/15/VI2009121502901.html

  55. samhenry says:

    Good article about the tea party movement and the Repupublican party, Sami.

    I have to go get some prescriptions filled. See ya later.

    DOG enters launch and shoves off.

  56. VotingFemale says:

    For those who read carefully, this blogpost I promised an update as the situation unfolds… it has been unfolding.

    Lieberman did exactly what I expected him to do… namely what he (Joe) said he would do.

    Glenn Beck is pissed because Joe did what he said he would do… vote for it if it did not contain the issues he Joe opposes.

    That Joe does not oppose ObamaCare out right is what Glenn Beck is upset about.

    Now read the following…

    I include the update but without the embedded hyperlinks in it here:

    UPDATE: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 @ 5:40 eastern

    Well… it appears that Joe Lieberman stood his ground, no vote from him if the Senate’s version of ObamaCare includes either expanding Medicare for people between the age of 55-64 or a government-run insurance option AKA a single payer plan.

    Obama and Reid appear to have agreed to drop both provisions to get his vote.

    Ahhh… but there in lies the rub! mmmoooouuuuaaaahhhh

    Without a Public Option, Hard Leftists are vowing to vote against the bill.

    Woe is Obama, Woe is Reid.

    We shall now see what unfolds over the next days as the Brass Ring continues to elude the Socialists in their bid for absolute power.

    From HOTAiR’s Allahpundit » Oh my: Kill the bill, says … Howard Dean:

    It’s popcorn time, kids.

    Democratic votes may stay home from the polls in retribution for Congress failing at health reform, a top liberal lawmaker said Tuesday.

    Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.), the co-chairwoman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, said that members of the Democratic Party’s base “aren’t even going to go to the polls if they don’t have a public option.”…

    “I don’t see what we’ve accomplished,” Woolsey said. “If we were going to have insurance reform, we could have done that very simply. If we don’t have a public option and at the very least we don’t have a Medicare buy in then we aren’t offering any competition to the insurance industry.”

    She says she doesn’t know if she could vote for Reid’s bill.

  57. VotingFemale says:

    Glen Beck was not seening the situation in clearness.. but others are and will…

    Without the Public Option or the Medicare Ploy it looks like the FAR LEFTISTS will KILL BILL

  58. rosehips says:

    good, I hope they do kill it. And they might as well kill me along with it. Cuz if I can’t afford the insurance they want to force me to get I could end up dying some long slow painful death, alone, in the dark, under a bridge, lacking continence…HAHAHA

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  60. samhenry says:

    It all reminds me of that old Rogers-Astaire tune “you say tomatoes, I say tomatoes -etc

    Let’s call the whole thing off!

  61. ohiobelle says:

    vf wrote: Without the Public Option or the Medicare Ploy it looks like the FAR LEFTISTS will KILL BILL

    I would give anything to see the video of Howard Dean screaming for dems to kill the bill!! It happened earlier today… have you seen it?

    Hello everybody!!

  62. ohiobelle says:

    Rosehips wrote: good, I hope they do kill it. And they might as well kill me along with it. Cuz if I can’t afford the insurance they want to force me to get I could end up dying some long slow painful death, alone, in the dark, under a bridge, lacking continence…HAHAHA

    hahah… Don’t worry about that dark lonely bridge because you my dear will be in jail. lol
    Under their plan; no insurance then pay $250,000 and or go directly to jail for 5 years.

  63. ohiobelle says:

    Rosehips, Pls don’t forget that commie chow.. haha I’ll be in the cell next to vf.

  64. ohiobelle says:

    vf will be on one side of my cell and the Gitmo terrorists will be on the other!

  65. ohiobelle says:

    Their shanks will be nuclear bombs thanks to Obama & Co. Roll out the welcome mat because they are coming!!

  66. ohiobelle says:

    C’mon guys the Factor isn’t on yet. haha

  67. rosehips says:

    lol belle! I have no doubt I may end up in the slammer some day. Ah, three square meals a day and a kwell shampoo each week. Might beat da bridge. haahaa

    SH, and I spell potatoes with an e but never when it’s singular. I am here to debate and if I disagree with anyone I hope no offense is taken and don’t be polite… if I don’t get someone calling me an ignorant bitch sometime soon, I’m running away. haha

  68. rosehips says:

    belle, I will meet you in the yard.

  69. ohiobelle says:

    Rosehips, hahaha… I am going to be just one state away from Gitmo terrorist! Isn’t that great news. I have Washington THUGS 13 hours one way and TERRORIST 13 hours the other way. Which do you think is worse for our country?

  70. rosehips says:

    belle, enjoy your show. I am going to slog out to the corner store for something to drink. It is snowing outside and I am afraid to drive. It’s only a few blocks so I may be fine but should I risk it? Well, as long as I’m insured, what the hell?

  71. ohiobelle says:

    Rosehips wrote: belle, I will meet you in the yard.

    OH NO! You are going to reach in my cell and hand me that bone! You are my life line unless I decide to pull your ass in!

  72. ohiobelle says:

    Rosehips, be safe dear. Grab some red bull because I have a feeling it’s going to be a lone night.

  73. ohiobelle says:

    I meant long night.

  74. rosehips says:

    belle, don’t worry bout the terrorists. hell, I’d offer to house them here if the gov’t offered me enough money. I’d cook all their favorite foods and would never make them get naked or stuff like that.

  75. rosehips says:

    belle, you are a kick. talk ta ya later!

  76. ohiobelle says:

    I’ll be back soon… I have a White House Christmas party to crash!

  77. samhenry says:

    Belle, that line about not paying for healthcare and being in jail is a scream. This whole thing makes me scream.

    Rose – I can’t take anyone on right now. You are allowed to be the best bitch ever. I am fighting high blood pressure. I’m for peace all around.

    And now I’m running away to the store for meds and snacks.

    DOG exits SIDE STARBOARD!

  78. ohiobelle says:

    Hearing Obama say, “If we don’t get this done then your premiums will go up, If we don’t get this done then your employer will drop you, If we don’t get this done then Medicaid will suffer.” This bull shit sounds alot like when he said if we don’t get porkapolis passed then we will see unemployment go over 8%!!!

    WE FELL FOR THAT ONE BEFORE OBUTTHOLE!!!!

  79. ohiobelle says:

    SH wrote: Belle, that line about not paying for healthcare and being in jail is a scream. This whole thing makes me scream.

    I am chewing on my Benicar these days. I know just how you feel.

  80. MickeyWhite says:

    Marsha Blackburn Voted FOR:
    Omnibus Appropriations, Special Education, Global AIDS Initiative, Job Training, Unemployment Benefits, Labor-HHS-Education Appropriations, Agriculture Appropriations, U.S.-Singapore Trade, U.S.-Chile Trade, Supplemental Spending for Iraq & Afghanistan, Prescription Drug Benefit, Child Nutrition Programs, Surface Transportation, Job Training and Worker Services, Agriculture Appropriations, Foreign Aid, Vocational/Technical Training, Supplemental Appropriations, UN “Reforms.” Patriot Act Reauthorization, CAFTA, Katrina Hurricane-relief Appropriations, Head Start Funding, Line-item Rescission, Oman Trade Agreement, Military Tribunals, Electronic Surveillance, Head Start Funding, COPS Funding, Funding the REAL ID Act (National ID), Foreign Intelligence Surveillance, Thought Crimes “Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act, Peru Free Trade Agreement, Economic Stimulus, Farm Bill (Veto Override), Warrantless Searches, Employee Verification Program, Body Imaging Screening.

    Marsha Blackburn Voted AGAINST:
    Ban on UN Contributions, eliminate Millennium Challenge Account, WTO Withdrawal, UN Dues Decrease, Defunding the NAIS, Iran Military Operations defunding Iraq Troop Withdrawal, congress authorization of Iran Military Operations.

    Marsha Blackburn is my Congressman.
    See her unconstitutional votes at :
    http://tinyurl.com/qhayna
    Mickey

  81. LisaInTX says:

    OMG!!!! Check out this PATRIOT!!!!!
    I would have been PROUD to have voted for this man as President of the USA!!!!!

  82. samhenry says:

    Excellent vids, Lisa.

    I feel silly/stupid. I did not know the name of that one world organization. I am lousey on manes. I will probably call it Breitbart and confuse everyone!

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  84. samiam60 says:

    Good Morning my Fellow Patriots :)

  85. samiam60 says:

    Awake Yet?

    Storm Troopers come in quickly. Before anyone has time to think or respond.

    Think it can’t happen again?

  86. samiam60 says:

    Good Morning Rosehips :)

    No one here has any desire to resort to personal attacks against you for reasons of differing opinions. We welcome you here and did miss you during your absence. We together are all Americans.

    Rosehips says:

    SH, and I spell potatoes with an e but never when it’s singular. I am here to debate and if I disagree with anyone I hope no offense is taken and don’t be polite… if I don’t get someone calling me an ignorant bitch sometime soon, I’m running away. haha

  87. samiam60 says:

    U.N. Climate Conference President Connie Hedegaard Resigns

  88. samiam60 says:

    The Danish president of the U.N. climate conference, Connie Hedegaard, has resigned and will be replaced by the Danish prime minister as head of the historic talks.

    The change was announced Wednesday as the 193-nation conference enters into a higher phase of negotiations, with world leaders arriving.

    U.N. climate chief Yvo de Boer says Hedegaard will continue to lead informal talks but Prime Minister Lars Loekke Rasmussen will now be the formal head of the conference.

    Hedegaard said the move was procedural and that it was appropriate for Loekke Rasmussen to preside with so many heads of state and government taking part.

    Hedegaard was appointed climate minister in 2004 and has been criticized by African nations for favoring rich nations in the climate negotiations.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,580348,00.html

  89. samiam60 says:

    ****D.C. Government Poised to Direct Taxpayer Funds Toward Abortion Coverage****

  90. samiam60 says:

    The District of Columbia appears poised to free up taxpayer money for abortions after Congress passed a spending bill over the weekend that ended a ban on the funding so long as locally raised taxes are used.

    City government officials are generally supportive of the change in law and are exploring ways to enact it, aides said.

    “We’ve already started to study the issues,” a City Council staffer said, predicting the matter could come up in the spring — along with a change allowing the District to permit medical marijuana. One possibility is that abortion coverage could be added to the D.C. Healthcare Alliance, which is the city’s taxpayer-funded health program for low-income and other residents.

    President Obama is expected to sign the appropriations bill, so the ball is in the D.C. government’s court to take action.

    D.C. Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton applauded the passage Sunday of the $1.1 trillion spending bill, which contained the abortion provision.

    She has argued that the restriction created “severe hardships” for poor women in the city and that the law singled them out for “unfair and unequal treatment” — since states can use their tax dollars for abortion services.

    Doxie McCoy, spokeswoman for Council Chairman Vincent Gray, said the Council would likely support any legislative action before it to enact the change, though it’s not clear whether that step would be necessary.

    “I’m not aware of any objections,” she said.

    Gray previously had called the move a “bold step” by Congress.

    While abortion-rights supporters said the change was needed and that the existing law was unfair, the shift generated considerable opposition. Thirty-five U.S. senators wrote to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in early December expressing “grave concerns” about the possibility of “massive taxpayer subsidies for abortions” through the D.C. measure and other provisions.

    Douglas Johnson, legislative director of the National Right to Life Committee, said in a statement at the time that Democrats were trying to sneak in the abortion language.

    “At the same time that congressional Democratic leaders are trying to win enactment of government-funded abortion in their health care legislation, they are also considering using end-of-year omnibus appropriations legislation to try to smuggle in removals of longstanding bans on government-funded abortion in the nation’s capital, and in their own insurance plans,” he said.

    But McCoy said the change just puts the District on par with other states that can already do the same thing.

    According to statistics from the Guttmacher Institute, 7,230 women obtained abortions in Washington in 2005 — that’s 54 abortions per 1,000 women of reproductive age. The rate, while exceedingly high, marked a 20 percent decline from 2000.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/15/dc-government-poised-direct-taxpayer-funds-abortion-coverage/?test=latestnews

  91. samiam60 says:

    President Obama is expected to sign the appropriations bill, so the ball is in the D.C. government’s court to take action.

    *****************************************
    This is also how they will get abortions paid for with Our Tax money if the Health Care Bill is passed. imo

  92. m2 says:

    Goooood Morning Sam!!!!

    Am home now. Have been busy this week. Christmas, kids and whatnot = busy…

    Lieberman. Hmmm.. Not so sure as VF. Think the Leftist buttholes are scum for threatening his WIFE. Just shows the fraud of liberalism, imo.

  93. samiam60 says:

    Good Morning M2. VF makes a very good point about Joe Lieberman but I have to say it all almost seems as if it were all staged.

  94. m2 says:

    This book covers group sex between first graders and makes it sound completely normal.

    My sexual exploits with my neighborhood playmates continued. I lived a busy homosexual childhood, somehow managing to avoid venereal disease through all my toddler years. By first grade I was sexually active with many friends. In fact, a small group of us regularly met in the grammar school lavatory to perform fellatio on one another. A typical week’s schedule would be Aaron and Michael on Monday during lunch; Michael and Johnny on Tuesday after school; Fred and Timmy at noon Wednesday; Aaron and Timmy after school on Thursday. None of us ever got caught, but we never worried about it anyway. We all understood that what we were doing was not to be discussed freely with adults but we viewed it as a fun sort of confidential activity. None of us had any guilty feelings about it; we figured everyone did it. Why shouldn’t they?

  95. m2 says:

    sam, liberals think teaching specific details of sex acts and indiscretion for the respect of sex = tolerance. Fooled again! Hitler did the same thing. You have to DE-SENSITIZE young minds in order to push more heinous acts of humanity. This is Obama/Jennings goal, you see. It’s not tolerant. It’s Brave New World. It’s fostering and existential view of “life” so much that -well, to put it simple. Brainwashing.

    What happened to Liberals? I thought they were suppose to for uniqueness. Not a mass of brainwashed desensitized dolts who all think alike.

    100% of Democrat Socialists agree- there can be no disagreeing!

  96. m2 says:

    Well you don’t give up the centauring dream of mass enslavement and killing of individual liberty (a tenant of this country), when you finally have it in your slimy grip. (At least if your a Democrat.)

    Sam said:
    Good Morning M2. VF makes a very good point about Joe Lieberman but I have to say it all almost seems as if it were all staged.

  97. m2 says:

    centauring = centurion = 100 years. You get the gist.

  98. m2 says:

    Obama, what a gutter rat. Can you believe he gave himself a grade? LOL! And it only wasn’t an “A” because of Bush’s economy which was orchestrated by Obama’s fat cat campaign donors, liberals in Congress, and TARP which Obama says sucked, written by Geithner. I remember who was on the stairs screaming Crisis in September. It was Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, Reid and Paulson….

    The only crime Bush committed was listening to those under the pretense of believing they were trying to help.

    Any President of character would say “history will judge”, not B+!!!

    ha ha ha…

  99. rosehips says:

    morning sami! Hey m2!

    sami, thanks pardner. I just miss some of the playful banter we had. and for the record, I din’t disapear because of anything anyone said to me or how I was treated. I expect strong reaction to some of my views. I like a little conflict. and the “ignorant bitch” comment was just for fun.

    sami said: No one here has any desire to resort to personal attacks against you for reasons of differing opinions. We welcome you here and did miss you during your absence. We together are all Americans.

  100. m2 says:

    Good morning Rosehips!

  101. VotingFemale says:

    Good Morning Samiam! M2!

    Proof Obama is Stupid: Picking then standing by his appointment for Safe School Czar Jennings

    What idiot, as president, would do that?
    Answer: A Marxist who does not understand the collective mindset of the American Majority

    …thus, the Obama butt kicking by the Majority of American continues…

  102. m2 says:

    “commissions commissions commissions”…

    Obama weighs creating commission to propose tax hikes, spending cuts

    Washington (CNN) — President Obama is seriously considering an executive order to create a bipartisan commission that could weigh sweeping tax increases and spending cuts to try to slash the soaring federal deficit, CNN has learned.

    Documents obtained by CNN show that top advisers to the president have been privately weighing various versions of a commission, and opinions differ about how to structure it. Officials say that some inside the administration are pushing for a narrow mandate because it’s too complicated to tackle reform of the tax system and possible spending cuts to various popular programs such as Social Security and Medicare all at once.

    “Each major category of fiscal policy — Social Security, Medicare, discretionary spending, revenues — raises a complex and idiosyncratic array of policy problems and prescriptions,” according to the documents detailing some of the administration’s deliberations. “Achieving consensus on any one of these issues — much less all of them simultaneously — may be more than the political system can reasonably accommodate.”

    But officials told CNN that other advisers to the president are pushing for the commission to have a broad mandate to put all of these big issues “on the table” at the same time.

    “The nation’s unsustainable fiscal course is the result of imbalance across the budget as a whole, not any component in isolation,” according to the documents, which are marked “Preliminary and Pre-Decisional — Not For Distribution.”

    “And, in both the 1990 and 1993 budget deals, the final compromises encompassed both revenue enhancements and spending reductions,” add the documents. “Such deals, touching on both sides of the budget ledger, perhaps offer the best way of achieving a bipartisan deficit reduction package.”

    The Obama administration’s deliberations are taking on some urgency behind closed doors because the president is facing heavy pressure from Senators Kent Conrad, a North Dakota Democrat, and Judd Gregg, a New Hampshire Republican, to appoint a commission.

    Conrad and Gregg, along with a group of moderates led by Senator Evan Bayh, an Indiana Democrat, have been threatening to block a large increase in the nation’s debt ceiling unless the president agrees to a commission.
    We are on a path to bankruptcy as a nation, and it’s that simple.
    –Sen. Judd Gregg
    RELATED TOPICS

    * Political Policy
    * Barack Obama
    * U.S. Congress

    While some critics charge a commission would be a cop-out because it would punt Congressional decisions to an outside panel, the senators pushing the plan believe the current system is broken and it will take a new mechanism to enact the wrenching changes that will be needed to get the budget back into balance.

    “We are on a path to bankruptcy as a nation, and it’s that simple,” Gregg said last week as he and Conrad officially introduced legislation that now has 33 co-sponsors.

    The Conrad-Gregg bill would need to pass both chambers of Congress and then be signed into law by Obama. It would create a deficit commission with 10 Democrats (eight members of Congress and two Obama officials) and 8 Republicans (all from the House and Senate).

    The panel would have several months in 2010 to study the problem and then vote after the midterm elections on a reform package that could include dramatic tax hikes and spending cuts. If 14 of the 18 members approve the package, giving it a bipartisan nod, it would force an automatic up-or-down vote in the House and Senate on whether to implement the recommendations.

    If Obama signed an executive order to create the commission, however, it would not have the full force of law and thus the outside commission could not mandate that Congress vote up-or-down on the recommendations. This would also give the president more wiggle room to ignore the recommendations if the commission suggests, for example, raising taxes on people earning less than $250,000 a year, which would break an Obama campaign promise.

    Some administration officials also like the executive order idea because it could help the White House place more Obama officials on the commission to give the president more control.

    But the documents obtained by CNN note that also brings political risk: “The promise of greater say over the deliberations and final product of the commission, but the peril of being more deeply implicated in the event of failure.”

    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/12/15/obama.debt.commission/index.html

  103. m2 says:

    Good morning VF!!

  104. VotingFemale says:

    Good Morning Rosehips!

  105. rosehips says:

    well I think that safe sex czar will not be long for this admin. If the excerpts I’ve read like the one above really were from books he recommended, I think the opposition is justified.

    I thinks Obama is a generous grader.

  106. m2 says:

    Why don’t they start by cutting the salaries of Federal Employees. I mean the average is 70,000 per year, and they’re the only “Corporate Entity” hiring thousands upon thousands, … to produce, what?

    Commissions?

    What a failure.

  107. m2 says:

    Direct Quote from SEIU By-Laws:
    We must organize unorganized Healthcare workers, extending to them the gains of unionism while securing control over the Healthcare industry.,/b>

    SEIU By-Laws PDF

  108. m2 says:

    mmmm, my tagging got a bit jumbly.

  109. m2 says:

    Let’s face it, Obama’s is the biggest fat cat in the world. He was bought by foreign interests, Wall Street fat cats, and SEIU.

    What a joke.

    He doesn’t even represent the minorities, as they are all clamoring about no jobs for blacks, and getting bought off right?

    Wasn’t the black caucus given 9 bill or something recently to shut them up?

  110. m2 says:

    it is cold in the basement! brrr…

  111. rosehips says:

    that would be a good start m2.

    I think some commissions are necessary and are cost effective in the long run. But I know that our governor just cut a bunch of commissions. They do tend to go overboard with studying things to death. But if they don’t have every single duck in a row, someone will come along and shoot them all full of buckshot. No?

    There was a bill recently (several months ago) to set up a commission to study the criminal justice system. There has never been a better time to rattle the cages and overhaul our sentencing guidelines and reduce our prison costs. It’s ridiculous what we spend on incarcerating prisons. We need to cut costs drastically and without a bottoms up analysis, I doubt it will be done correctly. Well, I’m sure it won’t ever be done “correctly”. Who is really to say what is correct?

    m2 said: Why don’t they start by cutting the salaries of Federal Employees.

  112. m2 says:

    That commission is only necessary because Obama has bankrupted the country. And I’m not sure the inflation that’s coming compounded with the heathcare “reform with no actual reform and higher premiums” is gonna roll with the public.

  113. m2 says:

    it’s best to just tax the wealthy.
    “The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.”

  114. rosehips says:

    and the commission is only as good as its most imcompetent commissioner

  115. rosehips says:

    m2, what u doing in the basement?

  116. m2 says:

    Originally I thought they wanted socialism in the U.S. now I just think Obama is a dumber than rocks run of the mill Marxist working for terrorists who want to ruin the country…

    War, famine, disease.

    War- Obama’s definitely lessened our security, and also doesn’t give a frick about homeland security, obvious. Gitmo moves to Illinois, more homegrown terrorism, his naive bullshitting abroad, etc.

    famine- EPA will cause famine, just as Congress has dried up CA farms.

    Disease- destitute, stressed, and run down, disease runs rampant thereby completeting Obama’s fat cat supporters (Oprah, Turner, Bloomberg, Rockefeller, Soros, Buffet) goal of “population control”… maybe it will be swine flu round 2 that does us in.

  117. m2 says:

    my computer is down here now, it’s an imac.

  118. m2 says:

    Just like Spanish Flu round 2 did the population in during WWI

  119. m2 says:

    Got to run upstairs for a tad, bbs…

  120. VotingFemale says:

    My recent blogpost about Sarah Palin was showcased at:

    http://citizenpalin4president.blogspot.com/2009/12/sarah-palin-media-star-obama.html

    That blog is a power house Palin supporting blog site with whom Sarah is personally acquainted with.

  121. VotingFemale says:

    M2, very glad to hear you have a full sized keyboard and computer to use now!

    WTG!

  122. m2 says:

    WOW! cool VF!

  123. rosehips says:

    they are experiencing “Constipagan” at the climate change summit. haha

    I support the African delegates walking out. I’d walk too.

  124. VotingFemale says:

    Thank you M2 and rosehips!

  125. VotingFemale says:

    Seems Nopenhaaagen is a Flopenhaagen

  126. rosehips says:

    lol, the flop heard around the world. Whoopee, we’re all gonna die!

    VF said: Seems Nopenhaaagen is a Flopenhaagen

  127. VotingFemale says:

    mmmm… I favor moving the UN Headquarters from NYC to Pyongyang…

    At least that way it is clear that the UN is where it’s heart is.

  128. rosehips says:

    maybe they should build the UN headquarters on that floating iceberg. That way they can change location according to the climate and the ocean flows…

    vf said: mmmm… I favor moving the UN Headquarters from NYC to Pyongyang…

  129. VotingFemale says:

    HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    There is a jumbo sized one supposedly heading in the direction of Australia! ;)

    rosehips says

    maybe they should build the UN headquarters on that floating iceberg. That way they can change location according to the climate and the ocean flows…

    vf said: mmmm… I favor moving the UN Headquarters from NYC to Pyongyang…

  130. rosehips says:

    what the heck is going on in Italy? Crazy people are after the premier.
    I hope Obama’s security is better than that guy’s.

  131. rosehips says:

    vf, yeah that iceberg is about twice the size of Manhattan. That could do a lot of damage to Australia.

  132. VotingFemale says:

    The Global WARMers should get a new direction… instead of that perhaps they can start looking for money to fund a Global Asteroid Defense Treaty…

    After all, was it not asteroid collisions with earth that does the real climate changing on this planet? Seen any dinosaurs lately?

    It’s not a matter of IF… it is a matter of WHEN

    JUST SAY NO TO ILLEGAL ALIEN ASTEROIDS

  133. rosehips says:

    yeah VF. I’m just gonna stock up on popcorn and marshmallows and sit back and watch the show.

  134. rosehips says:

    tick tick tick the war machine grinds on and the cash register has run out of digits.

    December 16, 2009 in Nation/World
    Surge in contractors expected
    56,000 from private sector may go to Afghanistan
    Walter Pincus Washington Post Print
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    WASHINGTON – The surge of 30,000 U.S. troops into Afghanistan could be accompanied by a surge of up to 56,000 contractors, vastly expanding the presence of personnel from the U.S. private sector in a war zone, according to a new study by the Congressional Research Service.

  135. VotingFemale says:

    What happened to Berlusconi will happen to any PM or president who is stupid enough to put themselves in harm’s way like he did.

    Even with the best of security, things like the WH Gate Crashing happens… Berlusconi was asking for it… and he got it.

    Berlusconi pulled a JFK (ala open top motorcade in Dallas) and Berlusconi is lucky it was a statuette was not a grenade.

  136. rosehips says:

    VF, yeah I don’t think even the best security can prevent a sociopath from doing harm if they have their mind set.

  137. VotingFemale says:

    wow! Obama is creating jobs!

    tee hee

    rosehips says

    tick tick tick the war machine grinds on and the cash register has run out of digits.

    December 16, 2009 in Nation/World
    Surge in contractors expected
    56,000 from private sector may go to Afghanistan
    Walter Pincus Washington Post Print
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    WASHINGTON – The surge of 30,000 U.S. troops into Afghanistan could be accompanied by a surge of up to 56,000 contractors, vastly expanding the presence of personnel from the U.S. private sector in a war zone, according to a new study by the Congressional Research Service.

  138. VotingFemale says:

    Australia can only hope that iceberg runs aground on their shore! It can be melted and the fresh water piped inland.

  139. rosehips says:

    Uncle Sam wants YOU!

    revision: after a full scale vetting process that included a 12 person commission to review your political loyalties, it has been determined that Uncle Sam absolutely and unequivocally does NOT want you. heehehe

  140. rosehips says:

    really VF? So the iceberg would be a Godsend?

  141. rosehips says:

    The Accidental Gate Crashers, lol…

    December 16, 2009 in Nation/World
    Tourists attended Obama breakfast
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    WASHINGTON – It was not a state dinner, and they did not crash it on purpose.

    Still, a couple who showed up at the White House a day early for a tour somehow wound up at an invitation-only breakfast with President Barack Obama and his wife, Michelle. It left to the White House once again to explain how people who were not on an event guest list wound up being ushered into the presidential mansion anyway.

  142. VotingFemale says:

    yes!

    rosehips says

    really VF? So the iceberg would be a Godsend?

  143. VotingFemale says:

    Sen. Chuck Schumer has been a bad boy! lol

    violates FAA Safety Rules; calls rule enforcer a bitch

    http://www.politico.com/click/stories/0912/schumer_has_a_flight_to_forget_.html

  144. rosehips says:

    I dunno VF, tugging an iceberg for 3 months and then piping it to the desert seems awfully costly. But water is more precious than gold…except up there at that lake in Alaska, hahaha

  145. VotingFemale says:

    OBama has a lot more to think about than spending a lion’s share of his brain on promoting Socialism ala ObamaCare:

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091216/D9CKDCJ80.html

  146. VotingFemale says:

    Uninvited Guests were seated with the Obamas at a WH Breakfast weeks before the State Dinner Gate Crashing…

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091216/D9CK7BAO0.html

  147. VotingFemale says:

    if it runs aground on Australia’s shore there will be no 3 months of tugging! ;)

    rosehips says

    I dunno VF, tugging an iceberg for 3 months and then piping it to the desert seems awfully costly. But water is more precious than gold…except up there at that lake in Alaska, hahaha

  148. rosehips says:

    well, it sounds like it is melting fast and breaking up into small icebergs.

  149. samiam60 says:

    My “O” My you ladies are on a roll this morning!

    rofl and just love all the funny comments today.

    I have fallen in love with a new word:

    ************* I dunno**********

    I just really like using it. So casual yet profund.

    I dunno, that’s just me I guess.

  150. VotingFemale says:

    see you all later… errands to run

  151. rosehips says:

    hey there sami, I was just gonna sign off as well. there’s a knock at the door…

    later!

  152. samiam60 says:

    Story of my life.

    I enter a room and all the ladies leave.

    What’s up with that?

  153. samiam60 says:

    Wireless Company Mixes Liberal Politics With Business

    A San Francisco-based wireless company is unabashedly mixing its liberal political activism with business, a strategy that has won the praise of President Obama but not the confidence of marketing analysts.

  154. samiam60 says:

    The company, CREDO, even boasts that it has the support of President Obama as it markets itself as an agent of social change. It pitches its mobile phone services with a vow to fight for “real” health care reform, free speech, peace and the environment.

    To those ends, CREDO claims it has raised $63 million for liberal causes and groups such as the ACLU, Doctors Without Borders, Planned Parenthood and Earthjustice — all the while skewering its bigger, well-established rivals AT&T and Verizon Wireless for financially supporting Republicans and moderate Democrats.

    It’s unclear whether the business strategy is paying off financially — CREDO’s figures aren’t available and company executives did not return messages requesting an interview. But in an age when companies of all stripes are trying to bolster their corporate images by appearing environmentally friendly, a highly partisan appeal is seen as a risky but potentially fruitful new approach.

    “What’s happened to some extent is the country has become polarized along different political views,” said Fredric Kropp, a marketing professor at the Monterey Institute of International Studies. So a marketing strategy that exploits that tension could “induce the consumer to purchase from the company,” he said.

    “It kind of makes sense, and I think it makes sense from all political viewpoints,” Kropp said. He was unable to think of any other companies that have adopted a similar strategy, though some companies have campaigned for particular causes, like Ben & Jerry’s support of organic farming.

    But Peter Sealey, a management consultant and former head of global marketing for the Coca-Cola Co. told Fox News that CREDO’s strategy has no chance for success.

    “This will absolutely not work,” he told FoxNews.com. “The idea is not going to work because a generalized agenda loses to a laser-like focused appeal.” An overtly political marketing strategy will alienate too many people, he said, regardless of the side the business takes.

    Even so, CREDO may not be interested in winning over enough customers to be an industry leader if it is content carving out a niche while taking shots at the industry’s big names, as it did when it blasted AT&T and Verizon for their political contributions in one of its ads.

    “Not only was AT&T a two-time maximum contributor to George W. Bush, they supported right-wing extremists like Senators Inhofe and Coburn,” the ad read. “Verizon Wireless has been a steady contributor to the Blue Dog Democrats — whose so-called ‘centrist’ approach threatens the public option in health care reform — since 2002.”

    Neither AT&T nor Verizon responded to messages seeking comment.

    CREDO’s political attacks, however, have opened it to criticism that it hasn’t lived up its own lofty standards.

    Some critics on the left have taken the company to task for offering a credit card through the bank MBNA, the top contributor to Bush’s 2000 presidential campaign. And union leaders have charged the company with hypocrisy for attacking its rivals.

    “There’s no small irony in CREDO ‘calling out’ Verizon Wireless,” Steve Early, a former union organizer at AT&T and Rand Wilson, a AFL-CIO union organizer, wrote in the magazine In These Times. “CREDO itself is also completely non-union!”

    Early and Wilson noted that AT&T is unionized and derided CREDO for “marketing itself as a bankroller of every kind of rights movement — except the workers’ rights one.”

    Founded in 1985 as Working Assets, the company changed its name in 2007 in a move designed to better reflect the company’s belief that people can bring progressive change through donations to nonprofits and political activism.

    CREDO has been politically active since the 2008 election cycle, when the company said it helped 2.5 million Americans register to vote. Through an action committee, the company launched several programs aimed at increasing voter turnout. One program, Pollworkers for Democracy, hired volunteers to staff polling places and ensure fair voting practices. Another allowed voters to remind friends to vote through a Web site.

    On CREDO Action’s Web site, the company is campaigning, among other things, to derail the nomination of Ben Bernanke for a second term as Federal Reserve chief, and punish Sen. Joe Lieberman for threatening to help Republicans derail any health care bill that contains a government-run health option.

    Michael Kieschnick, co-founder and president of the company, has written for the liberal online publication Huffington Post. He has blasted tougher restrictions on abortion coverage in the now-pending health care legislation, slammed Obama’s expansion of the Afghanistan war and lamented the resignation of Obama’s green jobs adviser, Van Jones, who stepped down after coming under attack by conservative commentators for his controversial statements.

    Kieschnick said he was rewarded for his liberal work with an invite to a White House reception earlier this year for progressive leaders.

    “As I passed through various security points at the White House, part of me kept expecting to be stopped,” he said in a news release. “I have never been to the White House before except to picket it, and have never been able to talk to the president or first lady.”

    Kieschnick said the president was “impressed” when he told him what his company had done to fight former President George W. Bush.

    The White House did not respond to requests for a comment for this story.

    While CREDO’s efforts may have paid off politically, it’s not necessarily a recipe for business success.

    Sealy noted that the money AT&T and Verizon spend on marketing is a “tidal wave.”

    “These guys are spending in the billions,” he said. “It overshadows any attempt to come out and say, ‘I’m green and liberal and support causes.’”

    Kropp agreed that a market leader like AT&T or Verizon would not add political ingredients to its marketing recipe.

    “Whatever pleases people has the opportunity to alienate others,” Kropp said, calling it “a risky strategy.”

    “It’s a much bigger downside risk. But for a smaller niche player, it might be a good strategy,” he said. “If you have a small share of the market and you’re trying to make your presence known, an aggressive strategy might work for you.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/12/wireless-company-mixes-liberal-politics-business/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+foxnews%252Fpolitics+%2528FOXNews.com+-+Politics%2529

  155. samiam60 says:

    ***************THIS JUST IN***************

    CNN REPORTING ANOTHER ACTUAL NEWS STORY.
    SECOND ONE IN AS MANY DAYS!

  156. samiam60 says:

    CNN) — Danish police made around 250 arrests in Copenhagen Wednesday morning as an organized demonstration against the U.N. climate talks converged on the Bella Center ahead of crucial negotiations at the COP15 summit.

    Kristina Larsen, a spokeswoman for Climate Justice Action (CJA) — the group organizing the protest — told CNN that police have used pepper spray and dogs to contain the protests.

    Around 3,000 activists convened at two railway stations in the Danish capital early on Wednesday and began their march towards the Bella Center — the scene of the climate talks.

    CJA is calling for activists to “take over the conference for one day and transform it into a ‘People’s Assembly’.”

    At the same time protesters were marching towards the U.N. summit, a number of delegates were planning to walk out of the Bella Center.

    Larsen told CNN: “Around 300 people have marched out of the Bella Center shouting ‘reclaim power’.”

    But the planned “People’s Assembly” which was due to take place outside the building has, so far, been disrupted by the police.

    Reporting from inside the Bella Center CNN’s Phil Black said that several hundred activists were near the perimeter of the conference center.

    “There have been some clashes and scuffles, and the police have fired some tear gas, but the protests have been reasonably low-level.” Black said.

    CJA say they are holding a “People’s Assembly” to counter the “false solutions and elitism of the U.N. climate talks.”

    A spokesman for the Copenhagen police told CNN that the majority of arrests have taken place outside the Bella Center but there have been no serious injuries.

    “The protesters detained have been taken to a temporary holding facility and most are expected to be released in the next two hours,” the Police spokesman said.

    On Sunday, police said they had detained 968 people, accusing protesters of donning facemasks, throwing fireworks and stones, breaking windows and setting vehicles alight. A further 212 people were arrested overnight on Monday.
    Video: Protesters beaten by police
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    * Global Climate Change
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    CJA says that protesters are engaged in “peaceful, nonviolent protest” and accused the police of being “out of control.”

    “We’ve had a lot of police repression in the last couple of days,” Larsen told CNN. She also claimed that the environmental group Friends of the Earth had been denied access to the Bella Center on Wednesday morning.

    While the protests were going on outside, inside it was being announced that Danish minister Connie Hedegaard had resigned as president of the U.N. climate change summit.

    “The resignation is essentially procedural,” CNN’s Phil Black said, “and she’ll be replaced by the Danish prime minister. It’s a reflection of the fact that the talks are now at the high-level phase, and it was deemed appropriate that the PM should now take over.”

    World leaders have started arriving in Copenhagen for the final days of “high-level” negotiations. British Prime Minister Gordon Brown was among the first to arrive, holding talks Tuesday with Australian and Bangladeshi counterparts Kevin Rudd and Sheikh Hasina. U.S. President Barack Obama is expected to arrive Friday.

    U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon told nations Tuesday that they had the chance to “change the course of our history” if they worked together to limit carbon emissions that are blamed for increasing global temperatures.

    “We have a chance — a real chance, here and now — to change the course of our history,” he said, noting that countries had to work quickly, because nature doesn’t negotiate.

    He urged both industrialized and developing countries to do more during this week’s Copenhagen summit toward reaching an agreement on limiting the emissions, saying they “can and they must do more.”

    “This is a time to stop pointing fingers,” Ban added. “This is a time to start looking in the mirror and offering what they can do more of.”

    Are you in Copenhagen? Share your images

    U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton wrote Tuesday that the United States is ready to do their part to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions but that other countries, especially poorer ones, must play their parts as well.

    Clinton’s assertion came as a major international summit headed into the home stretch. “Nearly all of the growth in emissions in the next 20 years will come from the developing world,” Clinton wrote in an opinion piece for the International Herald Tribune. “Without their participation and commitment, a solution is impossible.”

    The divide between rich and poor countries is one of the key fissures at the conference.

    Developing countries object to restrictions that they fear would keep them from following the same path to prosperity taken by the United States and other industrialized nations.

    The man running the conference warned Tuesday that “nowhere near enough progress” had been made toward an agreement.

    “There is still an enormous amount of work and ground to be covered if this conference is to deliver what people around the world expect it to deliver,” Yvo de Boer, executive secretary of the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change, said at a news conference.

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/12/16/copenhagen.summit.protests/index.html?eref=rss_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo

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  158. Foxwood says:

    I can’t get to my email if anyone has tried. I don’t know how you can go from a glitch on a webpage to the computer crashing, but I did. I can nuke it and start over again, but I have alot of shi-stuff on the HD so I’m trying to save it. I’m finding Linux is quite different when trying to transfer files, or anything for that matter. Day 5 of misery.

  159. Foxwood says:

    TOM COBERN IS MY HERO!

  160. samiam60 says:

    Obama’s Push for Copenhagen Deal Could Violate Constitution, Critics Say

  161. samiam60 says:

    When Obama arrives in Copenhagen Friday, he is hoping to cut a deal on a new global-warming agreement. Even though the conference is not likely to produce a legally binding deal, critics say if the president signs an international climate treaty pledging reductions in carbon emissions, he will violate the Constitution.

    “President Obama cannot bind the American people to job killing international agreements on climate change without the advice and consent of the United States Senate,” former Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich wrote Wednesday at the conservative Web site Human Events.

    The Constitution states that the president cannot sign treaties without the approval of two-thirds of the Senate, or 60 senators.

    But with climate change legislation stuck in the Senate after the House passed its version earlier this year, the White House is flirting with the possibility of taking action without Congress.

    Last week, on the day the climate summit opened in Denmark, the EPA formally declared that greenhouse gases including carbon dioxide are a danger to human health — a finding that could pave the way for massive new regulations under the Clean Air Act for cars, power plants, crude-oil refineries and chemical plants.

    While administration officials have said they would prefer Congress take action on regulating greenhouse gas emissions, Republicans fear the EPA, buoyed by its latest finding, is prepared to act unilaterally.

    Democratic Rep. Ed Markey of Massachusetts, co-author of the House climate change bill, told Fox News that the Obama administration has the power to act without Congress through the EPA.

    “It’s no longer a question of legislation or no legislation,” he told Fox News’ Chris Wallace. “It is now a question of legislation or regulation. The EPA can act.

    “And so this is now something which is going to happen. And the only question now is whether or not, as you say, command and control of the EPA is going to be the way in which we solve the problem, or legislation that allows us to protect trade-intensive, energy-intensive industries, to protect consumers.”

    But Gingrich warned of an uprising if the Obama administration takes action through the EPA.

    “Similarly, he can’t bypass the peoples’ representatives in Congress by having the EPA pursue the same goals through bureaucratic totalitarianism,” he wrote.

    “This message to the president is also a message to Congress. Should the Obama administration act unilaterally and subvert the Constitution, the American people will rightfully rise up in opposition.”

    Global leaders were expected to arrive before Friday’s summit finale to sign a political outline of a global warming treaty that would set limits on carbon dioxide pollution by the United States, China and India, as well as extend emissions targets for the 37 countries regulated under the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, which was never ratified by the U.S.

    So far, negotiations in Copenhagen have been rocky. The Obama administration is looking to strike a loose agreement on guidelines for greenhouse gas emissions, with a binding treaty to follow sometime in the future.

    But Obama has received one warning from a member of his party on signing a treaty. Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., told Obama in a letter late last month not to commit the U.S. to any binding climate standards in Copenhagen without congressional support.

    “As you well know from your time in the Senate, only specific legislation agreed upon in the Congress, or a treaty ratified by the Senate, could actually create such a commitment on behalf of our country,” he wrote.

    Webb’s office could not be reached for further comment.

    The Center for Biological Diversity Climate Law Institute, however, argues the Supreme Court has given the president the legal authority to bypass Congress and bind the country internationally through an “executive agreement” and that Congress itself has given the president specific authority to negotiate international agreements to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

    In a report, the institute also claims that Obama could “make an international commitment grounded in his power — and indeed, his duty — to enforce existing U.S. environmental laws,” such as the Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, and Endangered Species Act.

    “In short, any one of these sources of authority would allow President Obama to make a binding, meaningful commitment to the international community,” the institute wrote in the report, titled “Yes He Can: President Obama’s Power to Make an International Climate Commitment Without Waiting for Congress.”

    “Together, these congressional enactments and environmental statutes give President Obama a very strong hand — strong enough to do what the science demands, and not just what a divided and rancorous Congress might someday allow.”

    But others framed Obama’s trip to Copenhagen in very different terms.

    “Who will President Obama heed?” Vince Haley, vice president of policy at American Solutions for Winning the Future, wrote in an opinion article published in FoxNews.com. “The American people and our constitutional system of checks and balances, or the collection of dictators, tyrants, and most undemocratic heads of government convened by the United Nations in Copenhagen this week?

    “They are tempting the American president to do what he wants to do and what they mostly do: ignore the will of their own people and sign a political agreement based on an unconstitutional sham.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/16/obamas-push-copenhagen-deal-violate-constitution-critics-say/

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  163. Foxwood says:

    I am finally able to remove files from the drive. The drive is probably fragged. If it is, I’ll get a new one tomorrow. Soon as I get all of my files off the drive, then I’m going to nuke it and start with a newer version of Ubuntu. I did find a forum where others were having problems with FireFox 3 in Ubuntu 8.04, which is what I’m using. By the time I found that forum tho, my machine got to the point it wouldn’t boot. This has been such a fun vacation. :)

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  165. AFVET says:

    I may have missed it in the thread above but what is the purpose of putting Offutt AFB, Nebraska, on the table against the vote of Sen. Ben Nelson for the health care bill. ?
    It is a SAC Base that employs roughly 10,000 people, strategically located in the middle of the U.S.
    Where is it written that the administration can bargain for a vote by eliminating a freaking Air Force Base !

  166. Foxwood says:

    AFVET,

    Obuttf*ck is using Chicago style arm twisting tactics to bring Democraps in line. First it was Landrieu, then Lieberman, now Nelson. They want this sh!t passed during Christmas break, so we’ll forget about it as we celebrate, then come back during Obuttf*cks state of the union speech and tell us we got a Christmas present… without any Vaseline to go with it.

  167. Foxwood says:

    WAH! I got a bad hard drive. I really wanted to drop kick it, or Frisbee throw it, but since I have all the info off of the drive now, I’ll settle for foot stomping the drive when I get it pulled out. Looks like I’m getting a new hard drive in the morning.

    WAH!

  168. LisaInTX says:

    Homosexual indoctrination in MA—this has been going on for several years now!!

    http://www.massresistance.org/media/video/brainwashing.html

  169. LisaInTX says:

    Poor Foxwood! I’m sorry you are having PC problems…I totally feel ya on that—been there and thru the heartbreak of losing my system…..

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  171. LisaInTX says:

    Fellow Patriots,

    As you know all too well, 2009 has been a year fraught with frontal assaults on our Constitution. But this has also been a year of great opportunity, as millions of Americans, who have previously taken liberty for granted, are awakening to the reality that they must join our ranks in order to extend our legacy of liberty to the next generation.

    On the American fight for liberty, George Washington wrote, “Our cause is noble; it is the cause of mankind!” Indeed, it remains our noble cause.

    Of those who would not rise to the challenge, Samuel Adams said, “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands, which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

    However, of those who did join the “animated contest,” Adams wrote, “It does not take a majority to prevail … but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.”

    Indeed, though a minority we may now be, we have never wavered in our endeavor to set brushfires of liberty across our great nation, and we remain steadfast in that charge today.

  172. LisaInTX says:

    From the Desk of:
    Steve Elliott, Grassfire Nation

    Reid is moving to cut off debate on ObamaCare as soon as
    this Friday and we still haven’t seen the bill! I believe a
    grand deception is under way. See below.

    Dear Patriots:

    Yesterday’s meeting between President Obama and the 60-member
    democratic caucus means we’ve reached the end game on the
    Senate ObamaCare vote.

    But the meeting and Obama’s claim that we are “on the precipice”
    to passage are all part of a grand deception scheme that,
    sadly, is on the verge of succeeding.

    First… The legislative text of the new Reid bill HAS NOT
    BEEN RELEASED. There is NO BILL for your Senators to actually
    see and read, and NO BILL for you to see and read!

    THE REAL WORK AND THE REAL DEALS ARE TAKING PLACE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS!

    Second, what’s really happening amounts to pure bribery.

    With YOUR MONEY, Reid and Obama are trying to buy
    the votes of swing senators to the tune of hundreds of
    millions of dollars. Reports indicate that Sen. Ben Nelson
    may have been offered $500 million in earmarks for his
    state in appreciation of his support of ObamaCare.

    Also, we’re told that in Reid’s latest plan, the “public option”
    has been removed. But has it? (I guess we’re supposed to take
    Reid on his word that the not-yet-seen 2,000+ page bill does
    not include a public option!) And does it matter…

    With or without a formal “public option,” ObamaCare
    means government-run health care. ObamaCare still is
    based on the unconstitutional “individual mandate,”
    includes massive tax increases, imposes an oppressive new
    government bureaucracy and puts the government in
    charge of your health care.

    Action: Let Your Senators Know What YOU Think!

    I want to encourage you to use every means at your disposal to
    let your Senators and other key Senators know what you think
    about ObamaCare. Some resources for you:

    Action #1: Fax Your Senators Now

    Use our FaxFire system to get your faxes to your two Senators
    and other key Senators right now. Go Here Now

    Or… send your own faxes. We have provided all the information
    you need. Go here

    Action #2: Call your two Senators

    Talking Points:

    Tell them you live in their state

    Tell your Senators you want to actually see the bill and that
    you are outraged that Senate leaders are forcing their secret
    bill to a final vote.

    Tell them you oppose ObamaCare and urge them to vote “NO” on
    cloture and the final bill.

    Tell them you oppose the unconstitutional “individual mandate”
    and the oppressive taxes in the plan.

    To Locate Senate contact info Click Here

    Action #3: Alert your friends

    We just completed the latest round of hand-delivery of more
    than 800,000 petitions and our next hand-delivery will begin
    TOMORROW.

    Please forward this email to your friends and ask them to sign here
    so they can be included in the next hand-delivery:

    Thanks for taking a stand for freedom!

    Steve Elliott
    Grassfire Nation

  173. LisaInTX says:

    Whoa!!! Rev. Manning is talking about uniting and possibly taking up arms!

    http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?p=2268

    He makes allot of sense, and there it is…..in the open. wow…..

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  175. samhenry says:

    I can’t locate the cannon clip I want to run so I will just fire off my mouth in a hearty hello and good morning. It’s another day in the Global ‘hood.

    To our troops in the field: your sacrifice is really the key to our success; your family and friends and those of us wise to know the importance of your sacrifice are standing with and behind you. There is a “great” spirit of some kind and it envelopes us all – especially. You are not alone; your cause is an ancient one – freedom. Remember that those against which you fight are not free and they do not wish you you be.

    To those of you soldiers who feel especially isolated and down about your service. Don’t suffer on your own – get some help with it. Congress will move from the end result of your burden – making letters of condolence to the families of suicide soldiers a reality. But with attitude change in the military toward mental health issues – it is hoped that your comrades will recognize symptoms and encourage rather than reject your situation. In essence, there on the ground, you who suffer depression are fighting two enemies and no one can do that successfully. Peace

  176. samhenry says:

    And to the tattered troops of patriots stateside, we awake to a new day with new possibilities. We are up to molding these possibilities into actions toward the goal of taking back our country and in educating future generations of Americans, no matter their ethnicity or religion about the Great and Mighty Document that All should Revere – the Constitution. It is not just European law, white law or irrelevant law. It is built on universal law of long- known truths. They must be understood, respected and handed carefully down. This is the core of the mission to save the soul of the United States before it is too late. The legacy of Conservatives will be their implementation of education reforms that will do the job that has to be done to protect freedoms and rights of the citizenry. May God Bless our mission and the soldiers who fight in this theatre.

  177. samhenry says:

    Back to bed for this puppy. I’ll be in my bunk below decks.

  178. m2 says:

    So Clinton assures 100 billion for wealth redistribution under the sripulation that China won’t get it… loose set up with U.N. -huh. Even though we owe Trillions to China. AND over 100 Trillion in unfunded liabilities (welfare fir our own people & illegals).

    Democrats really have no business running anything. They’ll make these promises and things will grow worse because the countries are no different than the unemployed, over-welfared cities run by more kleptocratic democrats who rely on debilitating promises of MONEY/greed yet never provide.

    The developing nations should do better to look at history and use self reliance and individual liberty to prosper and pave the way to freedom, instead of expecting handouts from a corrupt oligarchy of leftists.

    http://spectator.org/blog/2009/12/17/kleptocracies-cash-in-in-kyope

  179. samhenry says:

    The band plays 1/2 way through. These may be all the horses in France – the Protect Paris. Who says the French roll over. They were our ally when needed. George Washingto had a key to the Bastille at Mt. Vernon. It is still there.

  180. samhenry says:

    This is cool the “Nimrod” is by Elgar and is from his famous work the name of which I am now forgetting!

  181. samhenry says:

    This last is Elgar’s Nimrod from his Enigma Variations! It is so beautiful.

  182. VotingFemale says:

    Good Morning SamHenry!

    ohhh Foxwood… so sorry to hear your troubles deepen.

    Samiam? Where are you dear?

  183. m2 says:

    Morning SamHenry!!

    My Christmas cards are coming today -I’m so excited. But I’m going to have to address and mail them by tomorrow in order to get them sent on time!

  184. samiam60 says:

    Good Morning my Fellow Patriots and Friends

  185. samiam60 says:

    I am off to fight injustice in the world. It shouldn’t take too long and I will be back on later. Before I would like to leave you all with some words of inspiration.

  186. m2 says:

    Good morning VF & sam! Was just out taking kid to school.

    Can u guys believe the extortion against Nelson?

    I don’t even think this is a Democracy anymore (let alone a republic), it is an Oligarchy of Fabian Sicialists.

  187. m2 says:

    Fabian Socialists.

    The i is right next to o on my ipod.

  188. m2 says:

    Fabian socialism, like political communitarianism, is virtually unknown to most Americans. Our purpose at this website is to educate free citizens about the emerging global synthesis. Socialism is part II b. of the Hegelian dialectical triad. The ACL studies Fabian socialism not only because it is a root part of the core mathematical equation designed to move the world into submitting to a lovlier version of a centralized global government, but also because 1.) The founder of American Communitarianism is a Fabian, 2.) The Fabians established the very influential London School of (Marxist) Economics, 3.) The Fabians train the “facilitators” who lead Americans to consensus in UN-LA-21 meetings.

  189. m2 says:

    Guess who’s affiliated with London School of Economics?

    George Soros

  190. m2 says:

    Howard Dean in today’s Washington post- LMAO.

    The bill was supposed to give Americans choices about what kind of system they wanted to enroll in. Instead, it fines Americans if they do not sign up with an insurance company, which may take up to 30 percent of your premium dollars and spend it on CEO salaries — in the range of $20 million a year — and on return on equity for the company’s shareholders. Few Americans will see any benefit until 2014, by which time premiums are likely to have doubled. In short, the winners in this bill are insurance companies; the American taxpayer is about to be fleeced with a bailout in a situation that dwarfs even what happened at AIG.

    I know health reform when I see it, and there isn’t much left in the Senate bill. I reluctantly conclude that, as it stands, this bill would do more harm than good to the future of America.

  191. m2 says:

    I know Dean is a kook, but he’s always been an honest kook. And that’s eons better than the ppl in charge and their lefty cronies right now.

    Don’t forget, Dean said the lawyers give money to democrats in order to rake in dough from trials suits, and that is the single reason why there is no tort reform. He was honest. He didn’t make excuses, or try to hide what is obvious -which is the norm for this administration.

  192. rosehips says:

    hey good morning m2,

    thanks for posting that info about Clinton and the deal with China and the developing countries who are being given aid. I read the article you linked to. That’s weird that the aid is tied to China keeping its promises. So the developing countries are dependent on China and the US. I see the point about pursuing self reliance and freedom with outside help but aren’t they beyond the point of being able to do this?

    Those countries are screwed no matter what they do.

    m2 said: The developing nations should do better to look at history and use self reliance and individual liberty to prosper and pave the way to freedom, instead of expecting handouts from a corrupt oligarchy of leftists.

  193. ohiobelle says:

    I was just too pissed off yesterday to blog. I am feeling a little better today but must avoid the following words: Bernanke, TIME, spending, $1.1 trillion, jobs, energy, crisis, healthcare and last but not least… BARACK OBAMA!!

    I ran out of Benicar so I am sucking down fish oil. I am very fragile today.. lol

  194. ohiobelle says:

    hello Rose M2.

    This circus act in Washington is trying to kill me. Early grave for belle…

  195. rosehips says:

    and good morning to all you other peeps out there.

    SH, that was an awesome tribute to soldiers and patriots. I hope there will be at least one good thing to come from the spendulous bill and that is more mental health support for soldiers and vets. It is evidently needed.

    lisa, I enjoyed your comments. I was with you there for a while until Rev Mannings call to arms. lol … loved the Sam Adams quote.
    If they sneak a bill through without the public having access to what’s in it they should be prepared to defend their vote to some angry constituents. It sure looks like they are going to have a difficult time to get it passed anyway.

    hi to sami and i hope foxy gets his hard drive soon and gets back here.

    I am also perplexed over the Ben Nelson deal. So our lawmakers are playing poker with our military bases?

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  197. rosehips says:

    mmmm, fish oil belle. I hear its loaded with good stuff like omega 3′s. I am glad you are taking care of yourself but does your doctor know you keep cspan on while ur sleeping?

    Time should just can the “Person of the Year” award and devote an issue to all the “Morons of the Year”…they’d have no trouble finding a whole issue’s worth, and then some.

  198. m2 says:

    Are you joking? Have you looked up how much aid is given? The only time aid works is when goods are flown in and delivered by our military to the hands of those in need. A very Christian method.

    That 100 billion ‘carrot’ will never be fulfilled, cause more distress among soveriegn nations and China won’t clean up their industry. It’s like pissing in the wind.

    Until oppressed and poor nations overthrow their oligarchy thug rulers- no amount of aid given by words of Clinton, or promises of UN (who’ll most likely pocket it as much as thug rulers)- will help real people.

    Why is Africa the way it is? Poverty?

    Why?
    I’m sure they’ve been given trillions over the past 50 years.

    Ridiculous. I think Clinton just made a unsolid promise fir political expediency to save face for Obama showing up, and developing countries would do better to spit in her face.

    We overthrew the monarchy, it takes blood and hard work.

  199. m2 says:

    Hi belle- don’t make yourself sick. A bunch of dumb witted greedy socialists is not worth your health. They show their true colors at every moment, and it’s never been about the “common good”- the polls all over show their demise.

  200. ohiobelle says:

    Rose wrote: I am glad you are taking care of yourself but does your doctor know you keep cspan on while ur sleeping?

    I’ve been warned about watching cspan but I can’t help it. Mr Belle blocked the channel for a little while but it’s unblocked now. UGH!!! haha

    “Person of the Year” was picked by the same idiots who gave Obama the Nobel Peace prize.

  201. ohiobelle says:

    Hello M2. I just get so PISSED OFF!!! Porkapolis may have worked if the dems weren’t using the money for their campaigns in 2010!!!

    If Sanford gets impeached then I want Barney Fudd and Countrywide Dodd thrown out!

  202. rosehips says:

    m2, I have to agree with that this bill will spell disaster. The lawyers will love it though. Imagine all the trials of people who will refuse to buy insurance? I don’t know what the gov’t will end up spending for prosecution, but I think there will be many more “insurance rogues” than tax cheats. I know that if I was forced to purchase insurance from a private company and I had no other option and did not have an employee plan and it was twice what it is now? I could not possibly afford to pay the premiums. Imagine being told you have to pay or will be fined. I see they are increasing funding for police in the ominbus bill. They better beef up the national guard, cuz they will need it if they intend to force people to pay what they haven’t got.

    m2 said: (quoting Howard Dean?) I know health reform when I see it, and there isn’t much left in the Senate bill. I reluctantly conclude that, as it stands, this bill would do more harm than good to the future of America.

  203. ohiobelle says:

    WOW! I just heard that Chris Henry died. He played for the Bengals.

  204. ohiobelle says:

    Rose wrote: Imagine being told you have to pay or will be fined.

    Yea that crazy at $250,000 fine. I don’t have $250,000 so I guess I will go directly to jail. Do you think they will put me next to the terrorist??

  205. m2 says:

    The fine is a peanut compared to the rise in premiums. The young ppl will pay 700 buck fine to avoid paying a premium that is on average 1600 more per individual with this plan. Then when they get sick, they’ll get into the system. That’s why these lefties are so stupid about business. And because more ppl will pay the fine rather than pay premiums until they fall ill, there will be less in “the system” which = $$$ increases for everyone and mucho cuts for old ppl.

    Might as well die at 65, rather than let the bankrupted cut Medicare ‘care’ for you.

    All so the lameasses in DC can hold power over every individual. It’s sad. Obama had such political capital, he could’ve been a good president if he wasn’t such an ideological greedy arrogant fool.

  206. VotingFemale says:

    Good Morning Belle!

    Good Morning Rosehips!

  207. rosehips says:

    m2,
    I really don’t know how much aid we give or developing nations get but I agree that it comes with its curses.

    If we are going to help them at all, I think the programs that help them develop water for the community so they can grow food is the best use of aid. Self reliance is key.

    I just think some countries are just drying up. And populations continue to increase. Sustainability is not feasible. What is our moral duty if a nation faces starvation?

  208. samhenry says:

    Morning VF, Sami, M2 and Rose

    Rose thank you for your kind remarks about my tribute to our troops. Perhaps I should make a blogpost about them.

  209. samhenry says:

    Hi Belle

    I have to finish up a post.

    Rose, sustainability will be impossible if the Chinese and Iran and North Korea and the terrorists don’t cooperate. They will no doubt unleash a plague or a bomb. Then there is always the second coming to deal with all of it. I am sure the godhead will look at me and say – well you’re a sinner sitting there posting that you have all of the answers. That will send me right to ‘ell. So cheer up, we may not have to worry about sustainability. I don’t like food fights. lol

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