Joe the Sheriff, fends off Socialist Hack Squad – The Dept of Homeland Security

Illegal Aliens Running Free? Not on my watch! It's a law violation

Illegal Aliens Running Free? Not on my watch! It's a law violation

The Socialist Spin Monkeys are burping up banana over Sheriff Joe…

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196 Responses to Joe the Sheriff, fends off Socialist Hack Squad – The Dept of Homeland Security

  1. Foxwood says:

    Sheriff Joe is one of the good guys, an American hero. He is doing his job and understands the term illegal. Now they’ve tied his hands. It is pure bullsh!t.

    Last year I sent him a book out of my library, a first edition hardback copy of “True Grit” because Sheriff Joe has it. The man is a modern day John Wayne.

  2. VotingFemale says:

    His hands are not totally tied…

    he said if ICE turns loose Illegal Aliens, he will truck them back over the border personally.

  3. ClassicFilm says:

    As an Arizona resident, I’ve been closely following the witch hunt that has been conducted against Sheriff Joe Arpaio. When I heard about this today, I nearly lost it. Arpaio is regarded as a hero by thousands of Arizona citizens. This is an outrage, a partisan attempt by our federal government to follow the dictates of radical, left-wing Hispanic groups like La Raza.

    But Arpaio is no dummy, and will likely challenge the Democrat congressmen who formed the witch hunt task force (spearheaded by Phoenix Mayor Gordon… I’m sure Janet Napolitano, our former governor and now ironically DHS head, had a hand in it, too).

    I’ve written several pieces on my blog about Arpaio – this one in particular exposes a lot of the liberals’ hypocrisy to shackle and/or punish Arpaio in his combating our county’s growing illegal alien problem from across the Mexico border:

    Shame on Phoenix Mayor Gordon – Accuses Sheriff Arpaio & County Police of Being Racists for Enforcing Illegal Immigration Laws | Videos

  4. Foxwood says:

    CF, Sheriff Joe is a hero to alot of Americans. You guys are lucky to have him.

  5. samiam60 says:

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/10/07/kevin-mccullough-obama-dangerous-world-view/

    Why Obama-World Is Dangerous

    In President Obama’s utopia he is fine with the idea of “American Exceptionalism” being challenged or even turned upside down. To Obama, an America that stands tall in contrast to others seems arrogant. To our enemies, an America that seems ashamed of herself seems weak.

    Although he’s 48-years-old President Obama is, in many ways, still just a lost boy. He seeks to live, not in the real world, but in a utopia. His insistence on living in this world — though it may appear attractive to the uneducated, neglected and naive — is dangerous and impacts every American.

    As the first pundit in America to predict Mr. Obama’s political rise and electoral success, it is with great regret that I say the following: President Obama is not a strong leader. His willingness to cede most of his domestic agenda to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has cost him dearly in his first year. And his unwillingness to admit that the world is at a crossroads is a demonstration of his paralysis as a leader on the most important questions of our time.

    His rejection by the International Olympic Committee last week in Copenhagen was a stinging rebuke. And it confirmed not only his global impotence but also his inability to successfully push through projects he supports. It also revealed that the president has been relying on nothing more than his personality to win the day.

    President Obama believes his good press far too often, relies too much on support from his trusted advisers — instead of being open to genuine critical analysis — and seems to feel that the American people are too “unevolved” to understand his political message and methods. All of these realities are just pushing the president further into an altered state. They’re shaping his worldview and it’s having a disastrous impact on the lives of average Americans.

    Take the latest jobs report, for example. The report finds that the American people are suffering under an unemployment rate that is almost at 10 percent. And that’s not all –the more realistic, unofficial unemployment rate puts the figure at about 17 percent. Why? Because many Americans have simply stopped looking for a job. A proven strategy to grow the economy and jump start a hiring trend would be to keep tax incentives for small business from disappearing in 2010. And the president shouldn’t stop there he should add to them and allow the free market to work its magic. Working to expand a robust economy is the only answer to serious unemployment. But the president seems to believe that if he just has the right czar, in the right position, then job losses can be controlled. In the president’s utopia, employment and the number of jobs available are fixed and finite, and “saving them” is better than or, at minimum, equal to “creating them.”

    Then there’s health care. New poll numbers from Rasmussen find that the majority of the American people support health care reform but they do not, under any circumstances, support a government controlled “public option” — or takeover — of the industry. But President Obama doesn’t seem to grasp the expressed will of the people who elected him. In the president’s utopia it is *doctors,* not trial lawyers, that are being selfish and charging people for procedures they don’t need just to “make a buck.” In the world you and I live in, we know that doctors run the risk of a massive lawsuit every time they deliver bad news to a patient.

    In Afghanistan, President Obama has deliberated for over a month about about whether to expand our footprint there by no more than 40,000 troops. While the military commanders he put in place to do the job beg him for more troops 43 more soldiers have died. Mr. Obama met with General McChrystal for less than an hour on Air Force One when he was in Copenhagen (but for only the second time since commissioning McChrystal to the theater), while Vice President Biden continues to whisper in his ear that things in the region are not working. In President Obama’s utopia he wishes that war did not exist, but he has yet to realize that the threat from not dealing with it could be the worst scenario of all.

    On Iran, President Obama has issued a stern assessment of the rogue nation’s nuclear ambitions. In President Obama’s utopia, stern words should be enough. They should cause a reasonable world leader to be so concerned that they will pick up the phone and iron out the differences by the afternoon. Yet even after the IAEA’s meetings on Iran, even after the president issued another stern deadline, the administration has begun to backtrack. In President Obama’s utopia, the United States is not superior to other nations. That’s why we are powerless when we try to suggest what they should do. In fact, in President Obama’s utopia, if we simply give up our weapons he believes the bad guys will give up theirs.

    When it comes to the economy, “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need” sounds good. In a perfect world, such purity of goodness would be a place where we’d all like to live. But it would also be a place no one on this planet would recognize. In President Obama’s utopia, the socialists and the communists DO have it right. Maybe this is why, in his memoirs, the president writes about how delighted he was to hang out with them in college. But the depravity of the human race has always been — and will always be — the fatal flaw in socialist and communist theory.

    Finally, there is America’s image in the world. In President Obama’s utopia he is fine with the idea of “American Exceptionalism” being challenged or even turned upside down. Yet in reality no country has suffered more loss of its own, for the welfare of others, in history. To Obama, an America that stands tall in contrast to others seems arrogant. To our enemies, an America that seems ashamed of herself seems weak.

    President Obama is not a strong decision maker — most law professors aren’t. They are too accustomed to arguing issues from all sides. The president is also a man who envisions a world that will never exist. It is his inability to recognize this flawed vision that makes our country more vulnerable, more hopeless and one with a bleak future, at least in the short run. It is, in a word, dangerous.

  6. samiam60 says:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/07/house-considers-resolution-oust-rangel-ways-means-committee-chair/

    House Kills Resolution to Oust Rangel From Chair of Tax-Writing Committee
    House Republicans on Wednesday attempted to pass a resolution to oust Rep. Charles Rangel from his chairmanship of the powerful tax-writing Ways and Means Committee following the reading of a long and stinging list of alleged wrongdoing.

    Pay your taxes or step down.

    That’s the message House Republicans are sending to Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., chairman of the powerful tax-writing Ways and Means Committee and subject of a major ethics probe into alleged tax evasion and other violations.

    House Republicans on Wednesday tried to pass a resolution to oust Rangel from his chairmanship following the reading of a long and stinging list of alleged wrongdoing. The measure stemmed from a major ethics probe into Rangel’s alleged failure to pay his taxes and disclose income on multiple properties — as much as $1.3 million.

    But House Democrats were quick to strike down the measure to remove Rangel, who represents New York’s Harlem district, from his post. House Republicans refused to accept defeat of the resolution, and asked for a second recorded vote following the first. The reading of the resolution was interrupted several times, and at one point was challenged by Democrats before being put to a vote.

    A representative from Rangel’s office on Wednesday blasted the resolution as a “highly partisan effort.”

    “Let’s look at this resolution for what it really is — a highly partisan effort designed to undermine the important work in Congress on health care reform,” the representative, who declined to be named, told FOX News.

    “It’s also an attempt to circumvent House rules, which provide for a comprehensive, bipartisan ethics committee process for reviewing matters such as these,” the Rangel aide said. “The congressman himself initiated the request for the committee to review the issues and the members should let the process work as established by the rules of the House.”

    House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said the resolution’s defeat is “the latest example of Speaker Pelosi breaking her promise to have the most ‘open and ethical’ Congress in history.”

    “Instead of holding Chairman Rangel accountable for his actions, House Democrats are once again circling the wagons and demonstrating their loyalty to a leader who faces serious questions about his official conduct,” Boehner said in a statement.

    Wednesday’s vote came as reports emerge that Rangel funneled a $3 million earmark — included in the massive Defense Appropriations Bill — to City College of New York to fund research on materials used to protect Army vehicles from attack.

    Critics charge that the powerful chairman of the tax-writing committee — arguably the most influential in Congress — should step down amid growing allegations and investigations into possible ethics violations.

    Rangel, who has served in the House for nearly 40 years, reportedly failed to report as much as $1.3 million in income from 2002 to 2006. In 2008, the New York Post reported that Rangel failed to disclose $75,000 in rental income.

    In June 2009, the House Ethics Subcommittee opened a probe of Rangel’s trips to conferences in the Caribbean, and in August Rangel disclosed more than $500,000 in previously unreported assets.

    “These are glaring tax violations and he has paid no penalties or interest,” said John Stone, a spokesman for Rep. John Carter, R-Texas, who is leading the effort to oust Rangel from his post.

    “It’s setting up a double standard,” said Stone. “The average American gets slapped with fines and possible jail time, while the rich and powerful can get off ‘scot-free.’

    “He’s chair of the very committee that oversees internal revenue of the tax code. He simply cannot serve with this massive question and these constantly expanding investigations,” Stone continued.

    Of the $3 million earmark directed to City College, he said, “This is a prime example of why he should step down as chair until these ethics questions are answered.”

    On Wednesday, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said, “The [Ethics] Committee is doing its work. We will wait for its report.”

    “To do anything else would be premature. I, or someone, will move to table the resolution,” Hoyer told reporters.

  7. samiam60 says:

    Reading Benjamin Franklin I came across this quote. “And whether
    you’re an honest man, or whether you’re a thief, depends on whose
    solicitor has given me my brief”. It got me thinking about how the
    media influences our perceptions. They can and do shape the political
    landscape and can persuade people in either direction of an issue.
    Unfortunately some sacrifice reporting the truth to forward their own
    agenda.

  8. samiam60 says:

    For those of you who have never heard of http://oathkeepers.org/ If you will educate yourselves on the power of the Sheriff, you will be amazed. The Sheriff is elected by the “People” and cannot be fired from the Feds. Why do think Sheriff Joe Arpaio can stand up to the Feds the way he does?

    Many Sheriff’s do not realize the power they hold! If everyone here would make sure their Sheriff is determined to uphold their oath to the Constitution, and they KNEW they had the citizens behind them, we could take this Country back tomorrow! If they are not willing! REPLACE them! WE hold the power locally!

    Please educate yourselves about Oathkeepers then educate your Sheriff about this awesome organization! PEOPLE! The Sheriff is THE most powerful law enforcement official in this Country! They literally hold more power than the President of the United States. Are you seeing the possibilities yet?

  9. samiam60 says:

    OBAMA’S WAR: COMING ON AIR ONLINE OCTOBER 13TH AT 9PM

    I ran across this unexpectantly as I was surfing the net. Didn’t know if it was pro or con Obama as it is a 24 minute clip from the movie. There are interviews with Generals Patraeus and McChystal. It also shows our soldiers in battle. Since I thought it might interest you, you be the judge:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/obamaswar/?utm_campaign=ObamasWar&utm_medium=NewsSiteTarget&utm_source=image

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  11. m2 says:

    I’m baaaaaack!!!!!

    it was the RAM. It was bad afterall and now I have 2 more gigs than I did before!!!

    4 GIGS more powerful to SLAY the Marxo-Socialist AGENDA!!!

    Eat it Barack!!
    Bwah ha ha …

  12. m2 says:

    my computer is like a cadillac, it’s running so great… bless it’s little micro-chip soul.

  13. samiam60 says:

    Welcome back to the matrix M2.

  14. m2 says:

    Weeeeeeeeee!

  15. samiam60 says:

    Agent Smith is close by.

  16. Foxwood says:

    I want to be the Man from U.N.C.L.E.

  17. m2 says:

    Gents, I’ve got some serious house-keeping to do on this computer. Will reconvene later.. nearly time for Beck!

  18. m2 says:

    Fox, when you wrote U.N.C.L.E. I thought this is what you were talking about, lol:

  19. m2 says:

    dang! embedding disabled, try this:

  20. Foxwood says:

    I don’t want to be that man from UNCLE.

  21. Foxwood says:

    Hmmmm…. I’m seeing double and repeating myself?

  22. Foxwood says:

    Too early to be drinking.

  23. tellitlikeitis says:

    Good Afternoon Everyone!

  24. tellitlikeitis says:

    Poor Joe the sheriff is just trying to do his job and Washington is trying to stop him. You can see this crowd is for open borders. It wouldn’t surprise me if Napalanto started sending busses into Mexico to bring them over by the bus loads.

  25. VotingFemale says:

    Thank you for commenting CF.

    Like Foxwood said… Sheriff Joe is a hero to millions of which, I am one.

    Keep blogging, dear! We are in a partisan battle but this too shall pass.

    ClassicFilm says

    As an Arizona resident, I’ve been closely following the witch hunt that has been conducted against Sheriff Joe Arpaio. When I heard about this today, I nearly lost it. Arpaio is regarded as a hero by thousands of Arizona citizens. This is an outrage, a partisan attempt by our federal government to follow the dictates of radical, left-wing Hispanic groups like La Raza.

    But Arpaio is no dummy, and will likely challenge the Democrat congressmen who formed the witch hunt task force (spearheaded by Phoenix Mayor Gordon… I’m sure Janet Napolitano, our former governor and now ironically DHS head, had a hand in it, too).

    I’ve written several pieces on my blog about Arpaio – this one in particular exposes a lot of the liberals’ hypocrisy to shackle and/or punish Arpaio in his combating our county’s growing illegal alien problem from across the Mexico border:

    Shame on Phoenix Mayor Gordon – Accuses Sheriff Arpaio & County Police of Being Racists for Enforcing Illegal Immigration Laws | Videos

  26. VotingFemale says:

    mmm… ClassicFilm is our good friend at Frugal Cafe

  27. VotingFemale says:

    I would admit to knowing of the Man from U.N.C.L.E. but it would possibly date me lol

    Always had a bit of a thang for Illya Kuryakin

    Foxwood says

    I want to be the Man from U.N.C.L.E.

  28. VotingFemale says:

    Welcome back with your newly pumped up Laptop!

    Go Get ‘Em girl!!!

    m2 says

    I’m baaaaaack!!!!!

    it was the RAM. It was bad afterall and now I have 2 more gigs than I did before!!!

    4 GIGS more powerful to SLAY the Marxo-Socialist AGENDA!!!

    Eat it Barack!!
    Bwah ha ha …

  29. VotingFemale says:

    Don’t give them any ideas!

    shhhhhh…. lol

    tellitlikeitis says

    Poor Joe the sheriff is just trying to do his job and Washington is trying to stop him. You can see this crowd is for open borders. It wouldn’t surprise me if Napalanto started sending busses into Mexico to bring them over by the bus loads.

  30. VotingFemale says:

    Convert all Hispanics to Conservative and watch the Moonbats take up arms at the border…

  31. Foxwood says:

    If I had to pick only one right from the bill of rights, it would be the second, because you can then tell everyone what you think.

  32. Foxwood says:

    VF, I’m a big Solo fan.

  33. VotingFemale says:

    Samiam, good article… Obama-World

    Problem is… too many folks are still giving him a pass… it is hip and with it to like Obama… but mark my words… the SNL skit was not an accident.

    The longer he goes into his term the more he screws up the trend will turn more and more against him.

    President bashing is an American Passtime… and the unicorn stuff gets boring after a while when he keeps fouling up like he did with the OIC.

    That really kicked his ass and made his believers all look like dik heds.

  34. Foxwood says:

    “I would admit to knowing of the Man from U.N.C.L.E. but it would possibly date me lol”

    You know I’m dated… I’m cranky, I’m opinionated, I’m stubborn, and I’m constipated.

  35. Foxwood says:

    I bet you watch NCIS also, huh?

  36. tellitlikeitis says:

    Alarm over debt draws together diverse coalition
    By Edward Luce and Tom Braithwaite in Washington

    Alarm over debt draws together diverse coalition
    By Edward Luce and Tom Braithwaite in Washington

    Published: October 7 2009 19:26 | Last updated: October 7 2009 19:26

    Reaction against Barack Obama’s “Bail-out Nation” has created a coalition of conservatives, libertarians and independents alarmed by the growth of US national debt, says Michele Bachmann, a rising star of the Republican party.

    Ms Bachmann, a second-term congresswoman, who played a prominent role in the “town hall” agitations against Mr Obama’s healthcare reforms made her comments against the backdrop of sharply falling support for the Democratic party – although Mr Obama’s personal approval rating remains high. A Gallup poll on Wednesday showed the two parties running almost neck and neck for the first time since 2006 – with the Republicans at 44 per cent and the Democrats at 46 per cent. The pollster also showed most independents favouring the Republicans over the Democrats – again, reversing the trend of recent years.

    What we are seeing is a real sense of unease among American people and not just Republicans,” Ms Bachmann said in an interview with the Financial Times.

    “Whether it’s the government bail-out of the banking system, or the White House sacking the chief executive officer of General Motors, or the bail-out of AIG, or the level of debt accumulation, more and more people are joining a coalition that is saying this is unconstitutional.”

    Ms Bachmann has been the source of plenty of controversy. The Minnesota lawmaker called in August for opponents of “socialised healthcare” to “pray to God” for Mr Obama to fail. Ms Bachmann, a Christian conservative, last year provoked memories of the witch-hunt days of Joe McCarthy when she called on the media to investigate “un-American” sentiments in Congress.

    However, in the interview, she sought to play down social values to stress the coalescence of a new movement, united against further federal government involvement in the economy. “It remains to be seen what role social values will play in the backlash against Obama,” said Ms Bachmann. “What I can say is that we are agreed on 70 to 80 per cent of the issues and that it is united around a defence of the constitution. The fabric of this big tent is made up of the very parchment of the constitution.”

    Ms Bachmann would not be drawn on whether she would back Sarah Palin, the former governor of Alaska, as the Republican presidential candidate in 2012. But she pointed out that Ms Palin’s book, Going Rogue, hit number one on Amazon’s bestseller list last week, a month before release. “What did Nancy Pelosi’s [Democratic speaker of the House of Representatives] book sell in the first week?” Ms Bachmann asked. “Two thousand, seven hundred copies. Sarah Palin is a compelling political figure.”

    Ms Bachmann’s comments might prove anathema to a dwindling band of moderate Republicans, who are concerned about the party’s supposed abandonment of subtle thinking, in favour of a more populist Midwestern approach.

    But the debate within the Republican party is likely to intensify, with leading figures throwing their hats into the ring for 2012. Tim Pawlenty, the Republican governor of Minnesota, announced that he would attend a fundraiser in Iowa next month – a sure sign of presidential toe-dipping, since Iowa hosts the first caucus event in the battle for party nominations.

    Mitt Romney, former governor of Massachusetts, has barely paused for breath since being eliminated by John McCain in last year’s Republican primaries.

    Old-fashioned Republicans believe it would be suicidal for the party to embrace a candidate such as Ms Palin. But the political tide appears to favour populist figures.

    “People are beginning to realise that Obama is a socialist,” said Ms Bachmann. “And that is not the way America is.”
    Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2009. You may share using our article tools. Please don’t cut articles from FT.com and redistribute by email or post to the web.

  37. tellitlikeitis says:

    How bad will 2010 midterm elections be for Democrats?

    FROM CNN’s Jack Cafferty:

    The Democrats may be in for some trouble come next year’s midterm elections.

    A new Gallup poll shows 46 percent of registered voters say they would vote for the Democrat in their congressional district if the election were held today; but 44 percent say they’d support the Republican — a virtual tie.

    The Democrats held a much larger lead over Republicans for most of 2006 through 2008.

    What’s interesting here is that the stronger showing by the Republicans comes from the support of independents — who now favor Republicans over Democrats by 45 to 36 percent. In July, it was even.

    Another potential sign of trouble for Democrats is Congress’ job approval rating — now a dismal 21 percent. Democrats are in charge in both houses.

    Historically in midterm elections — the party that holds the White House loses seats in Congress. The average loss is 16 House seats, but some election experts think the Democrats could lose a lot more in 2010.

    One analyst says the Democrats have 25 to 30 seats that are “truly vulnerable,” plus another 40 where there’s a chance of a “competitive race.” He says Republicans only have 10 to 15 vulnerable seats.

    Even though President Obama’s approval ratings have moved back up a little… and Democrats are hoping for results on health care and the economy, those independents — along with seniors — are moving toward the Republican column. And seniors are the group more likely to turn out and vote in midterm elections.

  38. tellitlikeitis says:

    Obama under fire over falling dollar
    By Edward Luce and Krishna Guha in Washington

    Published: October 7 2009 19:37 | Last updated: October 7 2009 19:37

    The sharp fall in the US dollar is giving ammunition to the critics of the Obama administration and fuelling broader concerns about the erosion of America’s reserve currency status.

    Republican politicians have highlighted the dollar’s slide as evidence of waning US power. On Wednesday, Sarah Palin, the Republican former vice-presidential candidate, added her voice to those who have expressed concern over the consequences of rising US indebtedness and dependence on foreign oil.

    “We can see the effect of this in the price of gold, which hit a record high today in response to fears about the weakened dollar,” she wrote on her Facebook site.

    Most economists attribute the recent surge in the gold price to the actions of a few speculative investors hedging against inflation fears in the US. And they point out that the far deeper US bond markets show no sign of concern over inflation. Indeed, analysts say that the dollar’s slide stems more from investors’ growing appetite for risk and the prospects of interest rate rises elsewhere.

    EDITOR’S CHOICE
    Investors cling to gold as prices surge – Oct-07Breitbart shapes conservative agenda – Oct-07Alarm over debt draws together diverse coalition – Oct-07Blog: Money supply – Oct-07Mighty dollar turns a paler green – Oct-04Over the past six months, the dollar has fallen 11.5 per cent on a trade weighted basis.

    Tim Geithner, the US Treasury secretary said this weekend that the US will do “everything necessary” to maintain confidence in its currency. “It is very important to the United States that we continue to have a strong dollar,” he said. “We recognise that the dollar’s important role in the system conveys special burdens and responsibilities on us and we are going to do everything necessary to make sure we sustain confidence.”

    However, angst about the dollar extends beyond conservative political circles. Last week, Robert Zoellick, the president of the World Bank, warned that recent warnings from the Chinese and other major US creditors over US indebtedness could worsen in coming months.

    “The United States would be mistaken to take for granted the dollar’s place as the world’s predominant reserve currency,” Mr Zoellick said. “Looking forward, there will increasingly be other options to the dollar.”

    Much of today’s debate echoes the traditional political response in the US whenever the currency depreciates. But it is now accompanied by warnings from America’s creditors, many of which are widely rumoured to be eyeing large US purchases of real assets such as property and companies.

    “The dollar has always been a testosterone issue among America’s political classes,” says Norm Ornstein, a veteran analyst at the conservative American Enterprise Institute. “This time there may be a legitimate debate to be had over the dollar’s reserve status, but Sarah Palin is not qualified to participate in it.”

    While the latest swoon in the dollar is attracting attention, analysts say thait needs to be put in context. In trade-weighted terms, the dollar is essentially back to where it was the start of the financial crisis on August 9 2007, according to Federal Reserve data.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/08ca4832-b36a-11de-ae8d-00144feab49a.html

  39. tellitlikeitis says:

    CBO: Budget deficit hit record $1.4B in 2009 thanks to recession-fed drop in revenue, bailouts

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Congressional analysts say the federal budget deficit tripled to a record $1.4 trillion for the 2009 fiscal year that ended last week.

    The unprecedented flood of red ink flows from several factors, including a big drop in tax revenues due to the recession, $245 billion in emergency spending on the Wall Street bailout and the takeover of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Then there was almost $200 billion in costs from President Barack Obama’s economic stimulus bill.

    The previous record deficit was $459 billion and was set just last year.

    Obama has attributed the nation’s dismal fiscal situation to the financial and economic crises he inherited.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/CBO-Budget-deficit-hit-record-apf-2477702318.html?x=0&.v=1

  40. Foxwood says:

    2010 & 2012 can’t come fast enough, Tellit.

  41. VotingFemale says:

    you quack me up so much!

    smooch

    Foxwood says

    “I would admit to knowing of the Man from U.N.C.L.E. but it would possibly date me lol”

    You know I’m dated… I’m cranky, I’m opinionated, I’m stubborn, and I’m constipated.

  42. VotingFemale says:

    You dont crap on voters then get their votes.
    The Socialists are in for a rout in my observation.

    tellitlikeitis says

    http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/07/how-bad-will-2010-midterm-elections-be-for-democrats/

  43. VotingFemale says:

    Tellit, they are not done screwing over the dollar and the economy…

  44. Foxwood says:

    Obutthole and Soros want the dollar to take a dump. Obutthole for ideology and Soros to make more money and sell out America to the ChiComs.

  45. VotingFemale says:

    Dollar to Yen: 88 yen to the dollar

    that is disgusting, it should be about 110

  46. Foxwood says:

    China or Japan Yen?

  47. Foxwood says:

    I’m guessing Chinese. I’m thinking of investing in the Chinese yen.

  48. VotingFemale says:

    They are so kissing the Chinese Communists butts… and Bush was hardly much better… you know how much high technology and manufacturing has been allowed to be relocated to china?

    it is mind boggling… and now with this asshat… I am surprised he hasn’t taken a second wife… of the daughter of the Chinese Supreme Leader.

  49. VotingFemale says:

    Fox… think in gold, dear…

  50. Foxwood says:

    Gold is “Peking”. Too late for gold.

  51. Foxwood says:

    China is investing in commodities. Maybe oil…

  52. VotingFemale says:

    Gold has shot up to almost 1050 @ oz

  53. tellitlikeitis says:

    VF said, Tellit, they are not done screwing over the dollar and the economy. Yes you are right. Commercial real estate is the next shoe to drop.
    The plan seems to be bringing this economy to it’s knees and so far it’s working but just not as fast as they would like. If this is the demcrats plan their party will be destryed in 2010. I wonder if they are suicidal or just enormously ignorant or incompetant.

  54. VotingFemale says:

    My favorite necklace and pendent set has more than doubled in value since I got it and it was not cheap then

  55. VotingFemale says:

    yeah tellit, this is a socialist’s wet dream

  56. tellitlikeitis says:

    Americans vote with their pocketbooks. Obama and the democrats own this economy now and it is sinking further into the abyss. All the voter fraud in the world is not going to save them in 2010. I just hope we can last that long.

  57. ohiobelle says:

    I am so sorry for being absent… My life is moving in fast forward and I am just trying to keep up. I need to slow down or else I am going to find myself worn down and sick again.

    I am so sick and tired of our government. They no longer help the people… they are too busy helping themselves. They are completely out of touch with reality! I honestly believe our government is trying to destroy our country. I am so sick and tired of their spending!

    My new hire walked in today with an Obama hat on… he’s been relocated to another department. I asked him if he knew who the Vice President was and he had no clue.. I rest my case. He can suck on all that hope and change.. 4 floors down.. lol

  58. VotingFemale says:

    Samiam, there is a new feature at FOX…

    A FOX online video player…. it has to be installed.

    I have been testing it out today… and now watch it…

  59. tellitlikeitis says:

    Everyone I know is scared to death they will be out of a job soon so they are not spending any money. People love to buy new cars but are just afraid to now. The last new car I bought. I lost my job 2 months after I bought it and it was repo’d 6 months after I bought it because I couldn’t make the payments.

  60. tellitlikeitis says:

    This economy is really getting people to save. The saving rate is way up from what it was just a few years ago. The saving for a rainy day is now.

  61. ohiobelle says:

    Tellit, I am scared to death to buy a new car now and I could get one on any given day. I put a new engine in my old car for $1,000 just to avoid buying a new car. Why would I spent $20,000 when my car looked great but needed a new engine. The government is the reason people are afraid to spend their money. Who knows what tax is next.

  62. ohiobelle says:

    tellit wrote: Everyone I know is scared to death they will be out of a job soon so they are not spending any money.

    Everybody (including myself) already lost their job and is working on their “recession career”. I heard the unemployment rate is at 17%?

  63. ohiobelle says:

    Obama needs a “recession career” and we need a new President!

  64. ohiobelle says:

    I am saving my money for the second porkapolis… I can’t even believe they have the nerve to bring it up.

  65. tellitlikeitis says:

    Belle, You are right the real number is around 17 percent and going higher as more people exhaust their benefits and just give up.

  66. tellitlikeitis says:

    The first one was a joke. There has only been about 10 percent spent from it so far.

  67. Foxwood says:

    Just got done with supper. Home made Beef n Broccoli with fried rice. I make excellent Chinese. Maybe the new Chinese governor Cho Khan Dong will hire me as his chef.

  68. ohiobelle says:

    Foxwood wrote: Maybe the new Chinese governor Cho Khan Dong will hire me as his chef.

    hahahaha… that would mean there are jobs still available.. lol

    Hello Fox!

    Tellit, I agree. How do we know the 1st failed so badly with only spending 10%?? Does anybody know where that 10% was spent?? NOT HERE..

  69. ohiobelle says:

    Maybe the 10% had to first be spent on their pork! They had to hurry and take care of their political agendas!!! I mean really, who are we the people to say anything..

  70. VotingFemale says:

    I miss you terribly, Belle. I hope you manage your life to suit you, dear.

  71. ohiobelle says:

    Even ACORN is getting money again! It just pisses me off so much. I honestly am considering not paying my taxes. I know it sounds crazy but I think it might be the only way to slow down their spending spree. It would take me and a couple million people but it is possible. lol

  72. Cash for clunkers… took Obama Stickers off the road…

    The deepening recession… will take those cars clunkers were traded in for off the road.

    Obama your plan is working…

  73. ohiobelle says:

    HELLO VF!!!! I’VE MISSED YOU TOO!

    I am getting it under control. I am trying to adjust to a 15 year old know it all and a new job that is very demanding. I’m slowly figuring it out.

  74. tellitlikeitis says:

    You all are my friends nad the financial sunami hasn’t hit yet but it’s coming and it will be devestating. My advise is to get into survival mode meaning buy lots and lots of can goods. Can good last a long time if the seal isn’t broken and at leat you will be able to eat when others will be starving. I just have a sick feeling that this is the calm before the next super storm.

  75. ohiobelle says:

    Vf, wrote: Cash for clunkers… took Obama Stickers off the road…

    96% of them! lol That was the best thing that came out of cash for clunkers. What a joke.

  76. ohiobelle says:

    Tellit, I hear what you are saying. I’ve never been a doomsday watcher until lately. If everybody is right… all of our pain should end on Dec 23, 2012.. lol

  77. ohiobelle says:

    tellit wrote: Can good last a long time if the seal isn’t broken and at leat you will be able to eat when others will be starving.

    My luck, I’d probably forget the can opener… hahah

  78. tellitlikeitis says:

    Ohiobelle said:
    I honestly am considering not paying my taxes. I know it sounds crazy but I think it might be the only way to slow down their spending spree. It would take me and a couple million people but it is possible. lol

    That would not make a difference belle. Government revenue is way down and the spending continues. They would continue to spend even if all the federal revenue dried up. I believe their goal is financial armageddon. They want to deep six this economy.

  79. tellitlikeitis says:

    belle you can open the can with other type tools if you forget the opener. lol

  80. ohiobelle says:

    tellit wrote: That would not make a difference belle. Government revenue is way down and the spending continues. They would continue to spend even if all the federal revenue dried up. I believe their goal is financial armageddon. They want to deep six this economy.

    OH MY GOD YOU ARE SO RIGHT.

    Which armageddon will happen first?? hmm… The destruction of our country or Dec 23rd, 2012?

  81. tellitlikeitis says:

    Millions of people will stop paying taxes at some point because they will no longer be able to.

  82. Foxwood says:

    “My advise is to get into survival mode meaning buy lots and lots of can goods. Can good last a long time if the seal isn’t broken and at leat you will be able to eat when others will be starving”

    That’s what Glenn Beck says to do. I’m learning to bow hunt. Too hard to buy ammo. Thinking of getting a sling shot too.

  83. ohiobelle says:

    Tellit, true! Don’t answer the door if you see Obama & Co knockin… lol

  84. tellitlikeitis says:

    Bellle, read the article I post above about the deficit.

    CBO: Budget deficit hit record $1.4B in 2009 thanks to recession-fed drop in revenue, bailouts

  85. ohiobelle says:

    Can anybody tell me what Obama has done other than apologize on our behalf and tour the globe? He should apologize for his arrogance and go on his merry way. I am sick of Obama & Co!

  86. ohiobelle says:

    I’ll be back soon. It’s a busy night on FOX. . lol

  87. ohiobelle says:

    Tellit wrote: Bellle, read the article I post above about the deficit.

    I will check it out. Thank you.

  88. VotingFemale says:

    Belle, it is sooo good to see you commenting again.

    Everyone loves your personality and sense of humor and I am your #1 fan! You make me laugh till my sides hurt!

    ohiobelle say

    HELLO VF!!!! I’VE MISSED YOU TOO!

    I am getting it under control. I am trying to adjust to a 15 year old know it all and a new job that is very demanding. I’m slowly figuring it out.

  89. VotingFemale says:

    coping with 15 year olds… been there done that… argh lol

    and girls are the worst… always seems to be war between mom and daughter… but a boys best friend is his Mom…

  90. Foxwood says:

    Hmmm… girls aren’t… nevermind… I had to let my oldest sit in jail one night.

  91. m2 says:

    My computer crapped out again which probably means it is harddrive. I know you all are sick to death of me yapping about it. I’m upset again well just letting you know, since I won’t be online again ……… Sigh.

    Good to see you belle and tellit, goodnight folks..

  92. VotingFemale says:

    ohhhh NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

    you poor thing!

    sigh…

    m2 says

    My computer crapped out again which probably means it is harddrive. I know you all are sick to death of me yapping about it. I’m upset again well just letting you know, since I won’t be online again ……… Sigh.

    Good to see you belle and tellit, goodnight folks..

  93. VotingFemale says:

    He killed a fly on TV

    ohiobelle says

    Can anybody tell me what Obama has done other than apologize on our behalf and tour the globe? He should apologize for his arrogance and go on his merry way. I am sick of Obama & Co!

  94. m2 says:

    It’s ridiculous VF I’m so tired of it dying… It might tarnish my love of apple :(

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  96. LisaInTX says:

    “Democrats have found someone worth fighting in Afghanistan. His name is Stan McChrystal. The other night, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi went after the commander of U.S. and allied forces in Afghanistan, ‘with all due respect,’ for supposedly disrespecting the chain of command. Around the Congressional Democratic Caucus, we’re told Members refer to General McChrystal as ‘General MacArthur,’ after the commander in Korea sacked by Harry Truman. White House aides have fanned these flames with recent leaks to the media that ‘officials are challenging’ his assessment asking for more troops. In the last two days, the White House National Security Adviser and the Secretary of Defense have both suggested that the general should keep his mouth shut. President Obama called him in Friday for a talking-to on the tarmac at Copenhagen airport. Though a decorated Army four-star officer, the General’s introduction to Beltway warfare is proving to be brutal. To be fair, Gen. McChrystal couldn’t know that his Commander in Chief would go wobbly so soon on his commitment to him as well as to his own Afghan strategy when he was tapped for the job in April. … Gen. McChrystal’s liberal critics also have very short memories. In 2003, Army Chief of Staff General Eric Shinseki clashed with his superiors by saying many more troops were needed to pacify Iraq. He became a Democratic hero and is now Mr. Obama’s Veterans Secretary. In this case, Gen. McChrystal has become a political target merely for taking at face value Mr. Obama’s order to fight the war properly. … In an interview with Newsweek, Gen. McChrystal said he wouldn’t resign if the President rejects his request for more troops. If he were really trying to dictate policy, he’d have given a different answer. But we don’t think Gen. McChrystal should stay to implement a Biden war plan either. No commander in uniform should ask his soldiers to die for a strategy he doesn’t think is winnable — or for a President who lets his advisers and party blame a general for their own lack of political nerve.” –The Wall Street Journal

  97. LisaInTX says:

    “I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. ‘Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death.” –Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 1, 1776

  98. VotingFemale says:

    I have an Dell Inspiron 9100… a very serious laptop… rated as a DTR… Desktop replacement.

    it is very high powered…

    with that said, it has a fatal flaw… the cooling system. and some of them have caught fire as a result and others just had their brains fried permanently never to run again.

    I keep it clean to a fault to keep it going as I love it otherwise.

    Apple has a great reputation… but no company has a flawless track record.

    this is soo sad it is happening to you, dear.

    m2 says

    It’s ridiculous VF I’m so tired of it dying… It might tarnish my love of apple :(

  99. LisaInTX says:

    Trillions of dollars are being stolen from the U.S. taxpayer.

    Right now, you and I are seeing the worst plundering of a country’s wealth in the history of civilization, led by an out of control Federal Reserve.

    But together you and I CAN put a stop to it all.

    With your help (including submitting the petition linked below to your Congressman and Senators) today, Representative Ron Paul, Senator Jim DeMint and Campaign for Liberty are ready to fight back, by taking the battle straight to the heart of the problem – the Federal Reserve itself.

    Just think about the scope of the problem for a minute: The massive, outrageous amount of dollars committed to the economic bailouts in recent months totals:

    More than the socialist New Deal … More than the entire Iraq debacle … More than the 1980’s savings and loan mess … More than the Korean War …

    COMBINED.

    When will it all end?

    It’s time you and I put a stop to a renegade Federal Reserve by exposing the Fed’s out of control actions to the American people. And Congressman Ron Paul and Senator Jim DeMint have a bill before Congress to do just that, known as the “Audit the Fed” Bill (HR 1207 and S 604).
    Go to this link to sign the petition:

    http://www.chooseliberty.org/auditfed1.aspx?pid=he3

  100. VotingFemale says:

    Hi Lisa!

    Obama picked McChrystal…

    Pelosi wants the us out of all wars… period.

    She and her ilk are so far out in orbit they might collide with space junk.

  101. VotingFemale says:

    Lisa, never before has there been such an all out assault within the government on the people of this country. And they glitz and gloss it with their Fringe Media and laugh at the DC cocktail parties…

    But 2010 and 2012 comes closer every day… every second… and they burn their candles at both ends as though they dont have a care in the world…

    the worse they do the worse it will be for them when it is our turn to hire and fire their asses.
    Pelosi is protected by her district of braindead… but 20 t0 30 seats are not protected and will likely go to the GOP in 2010 and 60 to 70 in 2012.

    They day is coming… tick tock tick tock

    and Obama has done nothing except prove what we already knew here… an empty shell.

  102. LisaInTX says:

    Hey VF!!
    I agree. It is just flat out pathetic that the Obamanites think they can demonized ANYONE and EVERYONE that does not agree with their bogus bullshit! They will rue the day they started this crap…..and 2010 can NOT come soon enough for me!!!

  103. LisaInTX says:

    Besides the federal government seeking to control more of our lives, Americans increasingly find their prosperity at local levels additionally threatened due in part to higher taxes, increased regulation and new assaults on our property rights including EoD’s focus area (in conjunction with AFPF/TX) of inheritance rights being diminished or destroyed due to estate abuse and probate corruption.

    Here is the link:

    http://www.examiner.com/x-15646-Bell-County-Legal-News-Examiner~y2009m9d17-Estate-looting-101–final-thoughts

  104. LisaInTX says:

    “This week, LSR received a phone call from Jason Moore, a parent with kids in the Ector County ISD. Moore told LSR his fifth-grader had to memorize the Declaration of Independence. One catch – the words were altered: ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all people are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights …’ Of course the actual text of the document said ‘all men are created equal.’

    “Moore said his son’s teacher got that wording from one of the cover pages of his textbook, History Alive! America’s Past, published by the Teachers’ Curriculum Institute (TCI), an education publishing house in California.

    6

    “State Board of Education member Terri Leo (R-Spring) blasted the altered Declaration of Independence at the Sept. 17 meeting of the Committee of the Full Board. ‘Instead of saying ‘all men are created equal,’ it says ‘all people are created equal,’’ Leo noted. ‘Are we going to tell kids what the actual document says or are we going to change words in those documents to be politically correct … How can you change a historical document and not present it to students as written? … I think that’s a factual error. That’s not what the Declaration of Independence says, and I think [the publisher] should be fined.’ Texas law prohibits factual errors in books and creates a system of fines for publishers that have them.”

    Click here to read the entire post.

    We are grateful to Jason Moore for alerting the media and the SBOE to this error. Jason is an AFP Citizen Watchdog in Odessa and hosts a daily Captain Watchdog radio program at KWEL 1070 AM.

  105. LisaInTX says:

    While Obama kowtowed to the U.N. and Chinese on the issue of so-called climate change, Gov. Perry took an entirely different tone when he spoke Tuesday at a discussion hosted by the Public Utility Commission of Texas, the Texas Railroad Commission and the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality.

    “Texas has shown that you don’t need the federal government to intrude on individual rights and freedoms to foster the next generation of energy technology while improving our environment in ways that positively impact our air cleanliness and public health,” Perry said.

    4Cap-and-Trade – also known as the American Clean Energy and Security Act – would cripple Texas’ economy. According to the State Comptroller’s office, the cap and trade bill would serve as the single-largest tax increase in U.S. history adding $1,200 per year to the cost of living for Texas families.

    http://www.connectamarillo.com/news/story.aspx?id=353463

  106. LisaInTX says:

    A conservative talk radio station has been forced off the air after years of wresting with the state and the courts over property rights, shut down by a reported 30 armed police officers who barged into the station in the middle of the owner’s radio show and showed him the door.

    John Stokes is the owner of KGEZ-radio, a station whose headquarters sit on 6.5 acres and whose towers sit on a 160-acre easement of farmland in rural Kalispell, Mont. According to Stokes, KGEZ is America’s oldest independently owned radio station, on air since 1927.

    But nine years ago, the Montana Department of Transportation decided it wanted to expand nearby U.S. Highway 93 … right through the middle of the radio station.

    Stokes, a former real estate agent for 25 years, valued the cost of destroying his business with the new roadway at $2.5 million, but the state, he says, only offered him $100,000 in order to bulldoze it.

    Now, after years of fighting both the state and private interests over the land his station sits on, Stokes is battling in bankruptcy court. And even though at least $3.8 million of his debt is from a questionable, defamation lawsuit still in appeals, the court has come to collect.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=112045

  107. LisaInTX says:

    The prime sponsor of a plan to audit the Federal Reserve, which oversees U.S. monetary policy, U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, says his plan has reached 300 co-sponsors in the U.S. House.

    Federal Reserve

    The legislation calls for a full and complete audit of the Federal Reserve by the Government Accountability Office, reported to Congress by the end of 2010.

    “I continue to be pleased that so many of my colleagues are willing to stand up for transparency and accountability in government by cosponsoring this bill,” Paul said today.

    It was just a week earlier that the first hearing on the plan was held by the House Financial Services Committee.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=111812

  108. LisaInTX says:

    We must demand our legislators read the health care bills! How could they even consider voting on a proposed law that could radically change health care in America without reading it first? Have they forgotten that they work for us?

    Calling the language in the current health care bill “arcane”, “confusing”, “hard to understand”, and “incomprehensible”, Senator Tom Carper (D-DE) admitted to CNSNews.com that he wasn’t going to read the actual legislative language because he finds it “one of the more confusing things I have ever read in my life.”

    Is he kidding? Click here to view this CNSNews.com video.

    http://www.mrcaction.org/538/petition.asp?CID=538&RID=19523703

  109. LisaInTX says:

    “In his address to Congress, President Obama made clear that he and his allies know how to spend your health-care money better than you do. It’s a matter, you see, of ‘shared responsibility': You share your dollars with the feds, and the feds are responsible for making your decisions. … On ‘shared responsibility,’ the president brooks no dissent. ‘Unless everybody does their part, many of the insurance reforms we seek — especially requiring insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions — just can’t be achieved,’ he said. ‘That’s why under my plan, individuals will be required to carry basic health insurance.’ This requirement is known as the ‘individual mandate.’ The president’s proposal is historic — though not in a good way. Never before has Congress forced Americans to buy a private good or service. In fact, for those with a traditional understanding of the Constitution as a charter of liberty (as opposed to the ‘living’ version), the list of Congress’s powers in Article I, Section 8, grants it no authority to require any such thing. … Requiring everyone to buy government-specified health insurance, whether they need it or not, is an unacceptable violation of personal liberty. It is a way of taxing healthy people without calling it a tax. Since that is an irresistible temptation to politicians, the list of required benefits would be certain to keep expanding. The choice between freedom and responsibility, as the president and his congressional allies portray it, is a false choice. We can and should have both.” –The Heritage Foundation’s Robert Moffitt

  110. LisaInTX says:

    “Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and gave him triumphal processions. … Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the ‘new, wonderful good society’ which shall now be Rome’s, interpreted to mean ‘more money, more ease, more security, more living fatly at the expense of the industrious.'” –Roman statesman Marcus Tullius Cicero (106-43 B.C.)

  111. LisaInTX says:

    “[T]hough barely reported, Obama made this statement in his U.N. speech: ‘We have fully embraced the Millennium Development Goals.’ I’m not sure where he got the authority to make that unilateral declaration, but he nonetheless made it. I guess now that he’s president, he can sometimes just issue fiats instead of having to deal with the cumbersome legislative process…. So why do you suppose the evil Bush administration opposed the innocuous-sounding ‘Millennium Development Goals’? Well, how about its multi-pronged assault on America’s national sovereignty? It commits participating nations to be bound by the International Criminal Court treaty; support regional disarmament measures for small arms and light weapons; and press for the full implementation of the Convention on Biological Diversity, which Wikipedia describes as ‘an international legally binding treaty’ that includes among its goals a ‘fair and equitable sharing of benefits arising from genetic resources,’ the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, described as ‘an international bill of rights for women,’ and the Convention on the Rights of the Child, which purports to be a ‘legally binding international instrument’ that gives children the right to express their own opinions ‘freely in all matters affecting the child’ and requires those opinions be given ‘due weight.’ The Millennium Declaration also affirms the U.N. as ‘the indispensable common house of the entire human family, through which we will seek to realize our universal aspirations for peace, cooperation and development.’ Indeed, under President Obama, ‘We Are the World.'” –columnist David Limbaugh

  112. VotingFemale says:

    I use their tactics on them… they want waah? lol
    the iTrolls found out…

    LisaInTX say

    Hey VF!!
    I agree. It is just flat out pathetic that the Obamanites think they can demonized ANYONE and EVERYONE that does not agree with their bogus bullshit! They will rue the day they started this crap…..and 2010 can NOT come soon enough for me!!!

  113. LisaInTX says:

    Okay—that was most of my recent email alerts…LOL….bet y’all are glad…hahahaaa

    Night all.

  114. LisaInTX says:

    Vf
    YOu the QUEEN BEE of flipping their tactics back on them….I remember them so welll….LMAO!!! Hahaha….those were the days indeed!!! :-}

  115. LisaInTX says:

    You having a restless night? Feeling okay?
    I’m trying to get caught up on at least 200 emails….dang…..I’m gonna have to drop off some of those lists!!

  116. LisaInTX says:

    I LOVED the CNN “FactCheck” of SNL!!! LMAO…..those were GREAT!!! hahaha…what a bunch of total morons over there!! hahahaa
    Their worship of barack the bogus blowhard is pathetic and sickening to the extreme!!

  117. samhenry says:

    iTrolls, youTrolls, weTrolls. Suddenly I remember Latin and the Idiots, I mean the Illiad.

    Up with the doggies and now back to bed.

    DOG Yells from shore – feeling porely. – About how m2’s computer feels – I just can’t boot or do the bossinova.

    Nite

  118. LisaInTX says:

    Well darn—guess you buzzed out the room—time for me to head to bed.
    Night VF—sleep well

  119. LisaInTX says:

    Hi SH and good night…lol
    Sleep well too….horses neigh early around here….

  120. samhenry says:

    Wow, Lisa, what a data dump. You’ve been thinking. Good to see you. I can’t get rid of whatever ails me. I will probably get rid of it just in time for h1n1 or whatever it is. I have to get well enough to have the vaccine.

    Hug a horse for me.

    Nite VF – love that “he killed a fly.”

  121. samhenry says:

    I never have to turn out the lights around here. VF punches out my lights for me lol.

  122. samhenry says:

    Oh for the days of Norman Vincent Peale or Anne M. Lindbergh. You just read there books and felt everything would be fine. Wish we had more dirt roads and the simplicity they bring with them.

  123. samhenry says:

    You just read “their” books!

  124. VotingFemale says:

    Just one of those evenings when it is late to bed… not typical for me but it happens sometimes.

    No worries!

    LisaInTX says

    You having a restless night? Feeling okay?
    I’m trying to get caught up on at least 200 emails….dang…..I’m gonna have to drop off some of those lists!!

  125. VotingFemale says:

    Good Morning Early Birds!

    One less day of Obama Drama!

  126. VotingFemale says:

    Going into blogpost writing mode… but will be around…

  127. samiam60 says:

    It is for our Children and Grandchildren that we fight this fight, and these precious little girls too.

  128. Foxwood says:

    Sieg Heil und Guten Morgan fellow Nazi Racist Teabaggers!
    It’s time to unfurl the Confederate Swastika and fire the cannon!

  129. samiam60 says:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/08/obama-war-council-focuses-al-qaeda/

    Obama War Council Focuses on Pakistan’s Role
    Members of the president’s national security team, meeting at the White House on Wednesday, argued that the Taliban in Afghanistan do not pose a direct threat to the U.S., officials said

    WASHINGTON — Recognizing the U.S. can neither win in Afghanistan nor succeed more broadly against Al Qaeda without Pakistan’s cooperation, President Barack Obama’s war council is weighing a new role for Pakistan in the 8-year-old struggle in the region.

    Obama’s national security team marked the war’s eighth anniversary on Wednesday with a three-hour session in a secure room in the White House basement. The focus on Pakistan, the suspected hiding place of Usama bin Laden and other Al Qaeda terrorists as well as Taliban leaders, could provide a hint into the president’s leanings.

    Members of the president’s national security team argued that the Taliban in Afghanistan do not pose a direct threat to the U.S., officials told The New York Times. It was unclear if everyone in the war council accepted the premise.

    Obama and some of his key aides are increasingly pointing to recent successes against Al Qaeda through targeted missile strikes and raids in Pakistan but also in Somalia and elsewhere. Obama said Tuesday that Al Qaeda has “lost operational capacity” as a result.

    Vice President Joe Biden has argued against increasing the number of U.S. troops in Afghanistan, saying Pakistan poses the greater threat, but Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have both warned that the Taliban and Al Qaeda remain connected. If the Taliban were to regain control of large parts of Afghanistan, the country could serve as a sanctuary for Al Qaeda fighters, the have advisors said.

    In Pakistan, though, the government has shown new willingness to battle extremists, with most believed to be operating from the largely ungoverned terrain along the border with Afghanistan. But these operations, as well as the strikes by unmanned U.S. aircraft, continue to stoke controversy throughout the country, causing problems for the already weak U.S.-backed civilian government.

    Obama planned sessions Thursday with Biden and Clinton in the Oval Office to continue the intense discussion about the increasingly unpopular war in Afghanistan. The White House scheduled another, larger war council session — a fifth of five announced — for Friday, when the focus may finally shift to just how many additional troops would be needed to execute Obama’s vision for a war he inherited but now must execute.

    The White House revealed that Obama has in hand — and has for nearly a week — the troop request prepared by the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal. It is said to include a range of options, from adding as few as 10,000 combat troops to — McChrystal’s strong preference — as many as 40,000.

    White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Obama asked for McChrystal’s request last week before he flew to Copenhagen to lobby for Chicago’s bid to host the Olympics and meet with the general on the sidelines. The numbers could become the focus of concentrated White House attention as soon as Friday, Gibbs said.

    While Gibbs had said previously that Obama didn’t want to see the request until he had determined the strategy, aides said the president decided it had simply become absurd to wait to read it given the high-profile debate.

    McChrystal’s recommended approach calls for additional troops in Afghanistan for a counterinsurgency campaign to defeat the Taliban, build up the central government and deny Al Qaeda a haven. McChrystal, whose plan is somewhat reminiscent of President George W. Bush’s Iraq troop surge in 2008, says extra troops — preferably at the higher end of his option range — are crucial to turn around a war that will probably be won or lost over the next 12 months.

    On roughly the opposite end of the spectrum, an alternative favored most prominently by Biden would keep the American force in Afghanistan around the 68,000 already authorized, including the 21,000 extra troops Obama ordered earlier this year, but increase the use of surgical strikes with unmanned Predator drones and special forces.

    Shrinking the number of troops in Afghanistan and turning the effort into a narrow counterterror campaign is not on the table, officials say, and neither is drastically ballooning the footprint.

    In weighing whether to follow McChrystal or Biden or land somewhere in between, Obama faces a stern test and difficult politics.

    Many lawmakers from his own Democratic Party, aware of rising anti-war sentiment in their ranks and the war protests that have dotted Washington this week, do not want to see additional U.S. troops sent to Afghanistan. According to a new Associated Press-GfK poll, public support for the war has dropped to 40 percent from 44 percent in July.

    Republicans, meanwhile, are urging Obama to heed the military commanders’ calls soon or risk failure.

    With this and Americans’ dwindling patience in mind, Obama is engaged in a methodical review of how to overhaul the war.

  130. samiam60 says:

    Members of the president’s national security team, meeting at the White House on Wednesday, argued that the Taliban in Afghanistan do not pose a direct threat to the U.S., officials said

    2010 can not get here fast enough for me.

  131. samiam60 says:

    Good Morning Foxwood, VF,

    Foxwood we are going to need more cannons!

  132. Foxwood says:

    i like more cannons…
    :)

  133. samiam60 says:

    http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/08/news/economy/extending_unemployment_benefits/index.htm

    Jobless lose lifeline as Senate stalls
    400,000 unemployed Americans ran out of benefits last month. But a move in Congress to extend help has been slowed as senators debate who should qualify.

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — As thousands of jobless Americans lose their weekly unemployment checks, Congress is still debating who should qualify for a benefits extension.

    The House passed a bill last month lengthening benefits by 13 weeks for those in high-unemployment states. While Senate leaders said at the time they would act soon, the proposal has languished as Democrats argue over the terms.

    Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., is pushing legislation that would lengthen benefits for the jobless nationwide by four weeks. Those in states with unemployment rates greater than 8.5% would receive a total of 17 additional weeks.

    But Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H., is planning to introduce a measure that would extend jobless benefits in all 50 states by 17 weeks. With an unemployment rate of 6.9% in August, New Hampshire is one of 23 states that would not qualify for the longer benefits extension under the Baucus proposal.

    The proposals would be funded by extending the longstanding federal unemployment tax levied on employers. The Baucus measure calls for levying the tax through 2011, while the Shaheen proposal would continue it for four to six months beyond that. The House bill would extend the tax through next year.

    As lawmakers wrestle with the issue, more than 400,000 people ran out of unemployment benefits in September, according to the National Employment Law Project. Some 1.4 million people will stop receiving checks by year’s end if Congress doesn’t act.

    Senate Democratic leaders have yet to schedule a vote on the measure. Baucus is working with lawmakers to pass legislation as soon as possible, said an aide on the Senate Finance Committee, which the Montana senator chairs.

    On the other side of the aisle, Republican leaders declined to comment until they see a final bill. But there is general support for extending unemployment among the GOP.

    “I’m confident that with unemployment like this, we’ll be dealing with an issue like that some time in the near future,” Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said Friday.

    The chorus calling for a benefits extension grew louder after the government reported on Friday that unemployment hit a 26-year high of 9.8% in September. Employers shed a higher-than-expected 263,000 jobs last month.

    The “employment report is a marching order for Congress to pass unemployment benefit extensions to all states, quickly,” Christine Owens, executive director of the National Employment Law Project, said last week. “With six unemployed workers seeking jobs for every available opening out there, the path to recovery remains steep.”

  134. samiam60 says:

    The “employment report is a marching order for Congress to pass unemployment benefit extensions to all states, quickly,” Christine Owens, executive director of the National Employment Law Project, said last week. “With six unemployed workers seeking jobs for every available opening out there, the path to recovery remains steep.”

  135. tellitlikeitis says:

    Good Morning Everyone! More bad economic news.

    The Flood of Foreclosures Shows No Sign of Ebbing

    Every 13 seconds in America, there is another foreclosure filing. That’s the rhythm of a crisis that threatens to choke off hopes for a recovery in the U.S. housing market as it destroys hundreds of billions of dollars in property values a year.

    There are more than 6,600 home foreclosure filings per day, according to the Center for Responsible Lending, a nonpartisan watchdog group based in Durham, North Carolina. With nearly two million already this year, the flood of foreclosures shows no sign of abating any time soon.

    If anything, the country’s worst housing downturn since record-keeping began in the late 19th century may only get worse since foreclosures, which started with subprime borrowers, have now moved on to the much bigger prime loan market on the back of mounting unemployment.

    In congressional testimony last month Michael Barr, the Treasury Department’s assistant secretary for financial institutions, said more than 6 million families could face foreclosure over the next three years.

    “The recent crisis in the housing sector has devastated families and communities across the country and is at the center of our financial crisis and economic downturn,” Barr said.

    A September report by a foreclosure task force appointed by Florida’s Supreme Court pointed to a shift in the root cause of foreclosures: “People are no longer defaulting simply because of a change in the payment structure of their loan.

    They are defaulting because of lost jobs or reduced hours or pay.” Florida had the nation’s highest rate of homes — 23 percent — that were either in foreclosure or delinquent on mortgage payments in the second quarter, and the report said “the latest news for Florida is horrifying.”

    A recent pickup in sales and home prices in some regions has been heralded as a sign that the crisis in residential real estate may be close to bottoming out, after the steepest price decline since at least 1890.

    But nearly half of recent sales have been attributed to foreclosures or “short sales” at bargain-basement prices.

    Even as the U.S. economy seems to be recovering from its worst recession since the Great Depression, mortgage delinquencies continue to rise.

    And that adds risk to any relatively upbeat assessment, since foreclosures depress the value of nearby properties while eroding the net worth of homeowners and the tax base for communities nationwide.

    The Center for Responsible Lending says foreclosures are on track to wipe out $502 billion in property values this year.

    That spillover effect from foreclosures is one reason why Celia Chen of Moody’s Economy.com says nationwide home prices won’t regain the peak levels they reached in 2006 until 2020.

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    In states hardest-hit by the housing bust, like Florida and California, the rebound will take until 2030, Chen predicted.

    “The default rates, the delinquency rates, are still rising,” Chen told Reuters. “Rising joblessness combined with a large degree of negative equity are going to cause foreclosures to increase,” she added.

    Anyone doubting that the recovery in U.S. real estate prices will be long and hard should take a look at Japan, Chen said.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/33220153

  136. Foxwood says:

    Lookin like a double dipper, Tellit… Make mine Tutti-Fruiti!

  137. tellitlikeitis says:

    American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains

    American soldiers serving in Afghanistan are depressed and deeply disillusioned, according to the chaplains of two US battalions that have spent nine months on the front line in the war against the Taleban.

    Many feel that they are risking their lives — and that colleagues have died — for a futile mission and an Afghan population that does nothing to help them, the chaplains told The Times in their makeshift chapel on this fortress-like base in a dusty, brown valley southwest of Kabul.

    “The many soldiers who come to see us have a sense of futility and anger about being here. They are really in a state of depression and despair and just want to get back to their families,” said Captain Jeff Masengale, of the 10th Mountain Division’s 2-87 Infantry Battalion.

    “They feel they are risking their lives for progress that’s hard to discern,” said Captain Sam Rico, of the Division’s 4-25 Field Artillery Battalion. “They are tired, strained, confused and just want to get through.” The chaplains said that they were speaking out because the men could not.

    US troops pay price of extended tours of duty
    Obama tries to heal Afghanistan war rifts
    The base is not, it has to be said, obviously downcast, and many troops do not share the chaplains’ assessment. The soldiers are, by nature and training, upbeat, driven by a strong sense of duty, and they do their jobs as best they can. Re-enlistment rates are surprisingly good for the 2-87, though poor for the 4-25. Several men approached by The Times, however, readily admitted that their morale had slumped.

    “We’re lost — that’s how I feel. I’m not exactly sure why we’re here,” said Specialist Raquime Mercer, 20, whose closest friend was shot dead by a renegade Afghan policeman last Friday. “I need a clear-cut purpose if I’m going to get hurt out here or if I’m going to die.”

    Sergeant Christopher Hughes, 37, from Detroit, has lost six colleagues and survived two roadside bombs. Asked if the mission was worthwhile, he replied: “If I knew exactly what the mission was, probably so, but I don’t.”

    The only soldiers who thought it was going well “work in an office, not on the ground”. In his opinion “the whole country is going to s***”.

    The battalion’s 1,500 soldiers are nine months in to a year-long deployment that has proved extraordinarily tough. Their goal was to secure the mountainous Wardak province and then to win the people’s allegiance through development and good governance. They have, instead, found themselves locked in an increasingly vicious battle with the Taleban.

    They have been targeted by at least 300 roadside bombs, about 180 of which have exploded. Nineteen men have been killed in action, with another committing suicide. About a hundred have been flown home with amputations, severe burns and other injuries likely to cause permanent disability, and many of those have not been replaced. More than two dozen mine-resistant, ambush-protected vehicles (MRAPs) have been knocked out of action.

    Living conditions are good — abundant food, air-conditioned tents, hot water, free internet — but most of the men are on their second, third or fourth tours of Afghanistan and Iraq, with barely a year between each. Staff Sergeant Erika Cheney, Airborne’s mental health specialist, expressed concern about their mental state — especially those in scattered outposts — and believes that many have mild post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). “They’re tired, frustrated, scared. A lot of them are afraid to go out but will still go,” she said.

    Lieutenant Peter Hjelmstad, 2-87’s Medical Platoon Leader, said sleeplessness and anger attacks were common.

    A dozen men have been confined to desk jobs because they can no longer handle missions outside the base. One long-serving officer who has lost three friends this tour said he sometimes returned to his room at night and cried, or played war games on his laptop. “It’s a release. It’s a method of coping.” He has nightmares and sleeps little, and it does not help that the base is frequently shaken by outgoing artillery fire. He was briefly overcome as he recalled how, when a lorry backfired during his most recent home leave, he grabbed his young son and dived between two parked cars.

    The chaplains said soldiers were seeking their help in unprecedented numbers. “Everyone you meet is just down, and you meet them everywhere — in the weight room, dining facility, getting mail,” said Captain Rico. Even “hard men” were coming to their tent chapel and breaking down.

    The men are frustrated by the lack of obvious purpose or progress. “The soldiers’ biggest question is: what can we do to make this war stop. Catch one person? Assault one objective? Soldiers want definite answers, other than to stop the Taleban, because that almost seems impossible. It’s hard to catch someone you can’t see,” said Specialist Mercer.

    “It’s a very frustrating mission,” said Lieutenant Hjelmstad. “The average soldier sees a friend blown up and his instinct is to retaliate or believe it’s for something [worthwhile], but it’s not like other wars where your buddy died but they took the hill. There’s no tangible reward for the sacrifice. It’s hard to say Wardak is better than when we got here.”

    Captain Masengale, a soldier for 12 years before he became a chaplain, said: “We want to believe in a cause but we don’t know what that cause is.”

    The soldiers are angry that colleagues are losing their lives while trying to help a population that will not help them. “You give them all the humanitarian assistance that they want and they’re still going to lie to you. They’ll tell you there’s no Taleban anywhere in the area and as soon as you roll away, ten feet from their house, you get shot at again,” said Specialist Eric Petty, from Georgia.

    Captain Rico told of the disgust of a medic who was asked to treat an insurgent shortly after pulling a colleague’s charred corpse from a bombed vehicle.

    The soldiers complain that rules of engagement designed to minimise civilian casualties mean that they fight with one arm tied behind their backs. “They’re a joke,” said one. “You get shot at but can do nothing about it. You have to see the person with the weapon. It’s not enough to know which house the shooting’s coming from.”

    The soldiers joke that their Isaf arm badges stand not for International Security Assistance Force but “I Suck At Fighting” or “I Support Afghan Farmers”.

    To compound matters, soldiers are mainly being killed not in combat but on routine journeys, by roadside bombs planted by an invisible enemy. “That’s very demoralising,” said Captain Masengale.

    The constant deployments are, meanwhile, playing havoc with the soldiers’ private lives. “They’re killing families,” he said. “Divorces are skyrocketing. PTSD is off the scale. There have been hundreds of injuries that send soldiers home and affect families for the rest of their lives.”

    The chaplains said that many soldiers had lost their desire to help Afghanistan. “All they want to do is make it home alive and go back to their wives and children and visit the families who have lost husbands and fathers over here. It comes down to just surviving,” said Captain Masengale.

    “If we make it back with ten toes and ten fingers the mission is successful,” Sergeant Hughes said.

    “You carry on for the guys to your left or right,” added Specialist Mercer.

    The chaplains have themselves struggled to cope with so much distress. “We have to encourage them, strengthen them and send them out again. No one comes in and says, ‘I’ve had a great day on a mission’. It’s all pain,” said Captain Masengale. “The only way we’ve been able to make it is having each other.”

    Lieutenant-Colonel Kimo Gallahue, 2-87’s commanding officer, denied that his men were demoralised, and insisted they had achieved a great deal over the past nine months. A triathlete and former rugby player, he admitted pushing his men hard, but argued that taking the fight to the enemy was the best form of defence.

    He said the security situation had worsened because the insurgents had chosen to fight in Wardak province, not abandon it. He said, however, that the situation would have been catastrophic without his men. They had managed to keep open the key Kabul-to-Kandahar highway which dissects Wardak, and prevent the province becoming a launch pad for attacks on the capital, which is barely 20 miles from its border. Above all, Colonel Gallahue argued that counter-insurgency — winning the allegiance of the indigenous population through security, development and good governance — was a long and laborious process that could not be completed in a year. “These 12 months have been, for me, laying the groundwork for future success,” he said.

    At morning service on Sunday, the two chaplains sought to boost the spirits of their flock with uplifting hymns, accompanied by video footage of beautiful lakes, oceans and rivers.

    Captain Rico offered a particularly apposite reading from Corinthians: “We are afflicted in every way but not crushed; perplexed but not driven to despair; persecuted but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed.”

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/Afghanistan/article6865359.ece

  138. VotingFemale says:

    Good Morning Tellit! Foxwood! Samiam!

    How are America’s Patriots This Morning!!! :)

  139. VotingFemale says:

    I have been around… researching the Obama Safe School Czar… and have unearthed critical information that I have not seen mentioned yet on blogs or media outlets.

  140. Foxwood says:

    This is happening right now! You must call your Reps ans Senators and let them know you know what’s happening. Tell them your telling everyone you know. This can NOT happen. Make your phone calls TODAY!

    From:

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/55081

    Reid ‘Likely’ to Make Entire Health Bill an Amendment to Unrelated Tax Bill That House Passed in March
    Wednesday, October 07, 2009
    By Nicholas Ballasy, Video Reporter

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) (AP Photo)
    (CNSNews.com) — A senior aide to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) told CNSNews.com that it is “likely” that Reid will use H.R. 1586—a bill passed by the House in March to impose a 90-percent tax on bonuses paid to employees of certain bailed-out financial institutions—as a “shell” for enacting the final version of the Senate’s health care bill, which Reid is responsible for crafting.

    Under the procedure, the substance of House Resolution 1586 would be removed and replaced with the entire Senate health care package. The maneuver would initially require the support of 60 senators to vote for cloture on the motion to proceed to H.R. 1586 (i.e., end debate on the congressional procedure and move forward).

    If Reid wins 60 votes, then debate begins on his health care package. Reid could then decide to block all amendments and attempt to get a vote on the entire package.

    However, a senator could filibuster the final vote, requiring another 60-vote majority to move forward. But if Reid decides to allow any amendments, each amendment could be filibustered, requiring a 60-vote majority to move to a final vote on each of them. An amendment that has the support of more than 50 but less than 60 senators could end up stopping the bill if neither side backs down. But if Reid is able to structure the debate so that all 60 senators who caucus with the Democrats stick with the party on cloture votes, he can pass the bill and send it to back to the House–where it originated as an entirely different bill in substance.

    If the House were to then vote on the bill as passed by the Senate without amending it, it could be sent directly to the president for his signature without going through a House-Senate conference committee and another round of votes in each chamber.

    Concerning that point, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) told CNSNews.com on Tuesday that he would not rule in or rule out the possibility of the House holding a direct vote on the Senate health care bill without amending it if it came to the House in the form of H.R. 1586.

    The actual final text of the legislation will be determined by Reid himself, who will consolidate the legislation approved by the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee and the still-unapproved legislation from the Senate Finance Committee. Reid will be able to draft and insert textual language that was not expressly approved by either committee.

    “It is not definite, but at this point likely, since it is what is available on the calendar,” said the senior aide about Reid using H.R. 1586 as a vehicle for the final text of the Senate health care bill.

    “If we received another revenue raising bill from the House, we could use that as well,” said the aide. “The underlying text of the bill only matters in the fact that it is a revenue raising bill so that it can serve as a vehicle for us to use. That is all it is. Once you substitute another bill into it that is what the legislation becomes.”

    The aide explained that the health care bill will contain tax provisions and that because the Constitution allows only the House to originate revenue bills, the health care bill must originate in the House. To comply with that constitutional mandate, the Senate must attach its version of the health-care bill to a tax bill that has already passed the House.

    “Constitutionally we cannot, we can’t bring that [Reid's final version of the health care bill] to the Senate floor because anything that’s considered a revenue raising measure, constitutionally we can’t just do that over in the Senate, it has to start in the House,” said the aide. “So, what we do whenever we have situations where you have legislation that’s a revenue raising measure that we end up taking up before the House does, we have to use a bill that’s already been passed by the House that’s on the calendar and available to us and use that just as a shell measure.”

    “So you just bring that to the floor [H.R. 1586], then you amend it with a complete substitute of, you know, whatever bill you want to consider,” said the aide. “In this case it would be that health reform bill. That would substitute the language. So you wouldn’t have the language from the House bill even to consider anymore, it would be this new language that would be, in this case the health bill.”

    In a piece entitled “Congress’ Secret Plan to Pass Obamacare,” Heritage Foundation analyst Brian Darling described the same procedure described by Reid’s aide.

    “Majority Leader Reid may, with the proper amount of votes in the Senate (60), offer the Health Care reform bill coming out of the Senate as a complete substitute to an unrelated House-passed bill–H.R. 1586, a bill to impose a tax on bonuses received by certain TARP recipients,” wrote Darling. “This means that the entire health care reform effort will be included as an amendment to a TARP bill that has been collecting dust in the Senate for months.”

    H.R. 1586 was approved by the House on March 19 as a means of getting back tax dollars that were paid out in bonuses this year to employees of AIG and other financial institutions that had received more than $5 billion in bailout money from the federal government. In the intervening six-and-a-half months, the Senate has not acted on this House bill.

    The senior aide to Reid stressed the constitutional necessity of using an already-approved House tax bill as the vehicle for passing the Senate’s health care reform package.

    “I mean, this is constitutional, you have to do it,” said the aide. “I mean the House has to start revenue raising measures. And when you have cases, which happen, it happens all the time where the Senate actually ends up going first on something, you have to use, you know, the House shell bill to do that. And it’s whatever is available on the calendar and in this case, it happens to be this bill [H.R. 1586].”

    Darling said that when this technique is used, the bill does not have to go to conference if the House votes on the bill again without changing what the Senate has done.

    The senior aide to Reid said “it is still early to say” if the final bill will go to conference, but said that the “next likely step” would in fact be a conference committee to iron out the difference between the House and Senate versions of health care reform.

    In a Sept. 17 interview at the Latino Congressional Caucus gala, Majority Leader Reid told CNSNews.com that he would put together the final version of the health care bill and that it would differ in some ways from the Finance Committee’s bill.

    “The bill that came out of the Finance Committee isn’t something that is going to get the immediate approval of everybody in America or every senator, but it’s part of the process,” said Reid. “That bill will go now to full committee. They will have a markup. They’ll report a bill out of that committee and then I will take that bill and the bill from the HELP Committee and put it together and bring it on the floor. That’s the bill we need to focus on.”

    President Barack Obama gestures while addressing a health insurance reform rally, Saturday, Sept. 12, 2009, in Minneapolis. (AP Photo/Haraz N. Ghanbari)
    “What’s in that bill (Finance Committee) is not what we’re going to wind up voting on,” said Reid.

    “We’ll find out before a bill gets on the floor how much it will cost,” said Reid. “I don’t think we should be locked into any number.”

    Darling said that as majority leader Reid has broad power to shape the final version of the bill.

    “The Leader has the power to write a bill any way his caucus will allow,” said Darling.

    “There are no effective limits,” he said, “but the Leader is limited by the general parameters of the Senate HELP and Finance Committee products so that he can claim it is a merging of the two bills.”

    Darling also said Reid can put “whatever he wants” into the final bill.

    “There is not a limit of the subject matter of the bill,” said Darling. “Reid can put whatever he wants into the bill if the Democrat caucus allows it. It is up to him whether a public option is in the bill or whether the Senate inserts a trigger before a public option comes into effect.”

    “Senator Reid is limited by what the Senate will tolerate,” said Darling. “There is no way to stop the Senate Majority Leader from moving to proceed to a House-passed bill, then offering up his own version of Obamacare. Because the Democrat caucus has a working majority of 60 votes, they can do what they want and individual Republican members only have the power to extend debate and attempt to offer Amendments. If Reid uses a parliamentary procedure to block amendments, by ‘Filling the Tree,’ then members will have to get the consent of the Leader to offer Amendments. Reid is only limited by the lengths his caucus allows to pass a bill.”

    The timeline for this process is still unclear. An amendment proposed by Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.) in the Finance Committee markup would have required the full text of that committee’s bill to be posted online for 72 hours before the committee could vote on it. But that amendment was defeated.

    Reid’s senior aide did not want to get into the specifics of the bill because it is “too early,” but said the final bill Reid brings to the floor will likely include not only sections of the Senate Finance and HELP committee bills that overlap but also sections that do not overlap.

    “There are several portions of the two bills that overlap, the portions that do not will likely be included in the final bill as well,” said the aide. “That bill will then of course be open to amendments on the floor where I would anticipate certain portions of the bill have a possibility of being taken out.”

    A Republican Senate leadership aide echoed Darling’s analysis, saying the Senate Democratic leadership can redraft the health care bill any way it wants before bringing it to the floor.

  141. LisaInTX says:

    Tellit
    That is how many are feeling in Iraq too. Our soldiers there have NO REAL PURPOSE—the enemy is among them dressed as Iraqi Police and Military…..none can be trusted even now. :-/

  142. Foxwood says:

    The theoretical Bacus Bill that everyone is talking about is a red herring. While we talk about healthcare, they are going to pass it under a bill that the people want with healthcare buried in it.

  143. Foxwood says:

    Morning Lisa, Tellit, VF, I think we lost Sami.

  144. VotingFemale says:

    Good Morning Lisa!

  145. VotingFemale says:

    Foxwood, I have been digging into that Reid deal on sticking the Senate version of ObamaCare into a Tax Bill previously passed by the House.

    That the Senate is forbidden by the constitution from authoring bills that raise taxes forbids the Senate from writing an ObamaCare Bill.

    Senator Baucus is the author of the Senate’s ObamaCare Legislation.

    If they stick it in H.R. 1664 The AIG Bonus Bill, the amended H.R. 1664 will have to still be voted in both the Senate and the House of Representatives.

    What this does is short circuit the time it would take for the House to transfer the Senate ObamaCare legislation into the House ObamaCare Bill.

    They are working against the clock… and the more time goes by the worse it is to get the damn thing passed at all.

    The other breaking issue is the CBO stating that the Senate version will save money.

    Which I SERIOUSLY DO NOT BELIEVE AT ALL.

  146. Foxwood says:

    It seems anymore, VF, it doesn’t matter if it’s Constitutional as long as we’re dumb enough to let them do it. We have got to educate the people and stop the indoctrination in schools.

  147. LisaInTX says:

    Morning everyone!

    I think the problem lies within the lack of ETHICS and MORALITY—not just within our Congress and House, but also within the population. They are taught that things that are “GOOD” are bad and that “BAD” is good.
    This did not happen overnight and the remedy will take YEARS/decades to undo, if ever it can be undone.

  148. LisaInTX says:

    Foxwood, here are a couple of quotes for you.
    “In 1913, President Woodrow Wilson approved the Federal Reserve Act. A few years later, he reflected:

    “I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world — no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”

    A century before, Thomas Jefferson reflected much the same sentiment:

    “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks….will deprive the people of all property until their children wakeup homeless on the continent their fathers conquered….The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”

  149. LisaInTX says:

    More Communist thinking by another appointed Czar from hell!!!

    “The U.S. should move in the direction of socialism but the country’s “white majority” opposes welfare since such programs largely would benefit minorities, especially blacks and Hispanics, argued President Obama’s newly confirmed regulatory czar, Cass Sunstein.

    “The absence of a European-style social welfare state is certainly connected with the widespread perception among the white majority that the relevant programs would disproportionately benefit African Americans (and more recently Hispanics),” wrote Sunstein.

    The Obama czar’s controversial comments were made in his 2004 book “The Second Bill of Rights,” which was obtained and reviewed by WND.

    In the book, Sunstein openly argues for bringing socialism to the U.S. and even lends support to communism.

    “During the Cold War, the debate about [social welfare] guarantees took the form of pervasive disagreement between the United States and its communist adversaries. Americans emphasized the importance of civil and political liberties, above all free speech and freedom of religion, while communist nations stressed the right to a job, health care, and a social minimum.”

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=112243

  150. Kynikos says:

    The fact that the bill saves money is what is being released to the press to push, the fact is the total bill only serves an additional 5 million people of the 30 million people without insurance and that is the point of argument. So even though it saves money on one hand, it only helps 5 million additional people leaving the 25 million to fend for themselves, so divide the 880 billion by 5 million and you get a per person cost of 176000 cost per person, I think I can find insurance for that amount don’t you!!!!

    I posted last night about the Houses work week, it is at an average of 25 hours per week so you know they are all over this????? Total BS, the whole system needs a reboot, the House is pushing this though with a 21% approval rating, so they are basically saying F-YOU, we are covered since the Senate is creating the language for the bill, which BY THE WAY IS STILL NOT WRITTEN IN ITS FINAL FORM. What we have been seeing is concept only, the final product is still unknown, as are the mindnight attachments to the bill, keep an eye out for those. Back to the doughnut factory, KINKY

  151. LisaInTX says:

    VF
    Once the ‘tranformation’ aka the evil seeds are planted, I don’t think anything other than civil war will cleanze the rotted fruit from the vines.
    Corruption, Lies, Immorality, Deceit, have run this country for too many years for it to suddenly be wiped out of our society by those of us that really know the truth.
    We need only look to history to see what is coming to our land and our people. :-/

  152. Kynikos says:

    Lisa, Sustine is a genius in nibbling, that is his theory, a bit at a time out of freedom, not one fell swoop. He is the most dangerous Czar of all of them in that he is deviantly smart, the frog in boiling water comes to mind, we will wake up one morning all wearing the same clothes and chanting long live the Obama Republic!!

  153. LisaInTX says:

    HI Kink!!! Good to see you buddy!!
    Well said….they WILL pass this, I have NO DOUBT, then all HELL is gonna break loose!!!

  154. LisaInTX says:

    Kink—I agree he is very dangerous to the American way of life. But then again most of the ‘democratic’ Socialist party are too…..I personally just wished they would move to those countries that think like they do and leave our nation alone……that would be the best solution IMO….

  155. samiam60 says:

    Lisa I fear you are 100% correct. War is coming.

  156. Kynikos says:

    Lisa there too much opportunity here IE; money for them to move.
    Samiam, the last thing the freedom takers want is war, it hurts business.

  157. LisaInTX says:

    Sami
    This congress has destroyed our nation economically and morally with their lies, corruption and total lack of responsibility to We The People.
    The Revolt is building and they, the corrupt ones, continue to ignore the will of the people….this is starting a fire that will not be contained for much longer I fear.

  158. Foxwood says:

    Kinky, they don’t want us to see it. They don’t want us to know what they are doing. It would be to our benefit it “Mars Attacks”.

  159. samiam60 says:

    Kinky, war is big business. A robust economy

  160. LisaInTX says:

    LMAO Fox!!! hahahaaa

    We need a ETHICS COMMITTEE made up by WE THE PEOPLE, not those that are appointed by the corrupt ones!!!

    If they are found corrupt, then send them to Alcatraz Island….to await the verdict/will of we the people!

  161. Kynikos says:

    Fox that is what I am concerned with, we hang in an informed crowd, the rest of the nation might not be as close to what it going on and they blindly trust the government, I for one do not, the thought of Lemmings comes to mind!!

  162. Kynikos says:

    It is Sami, but not within your own country, foreign wars are the money makers.

  163. LisaInTX says:

    WTPEC
    We The People Ethics Committee ….hmmm…has a nice ring to it!! :-}

  164. samiam60 says:

    http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1929058,00.html

    Calling ‘Em Out: The White House Takes on the Press

    For press secretary Robert Gibbs, the realization came in early September, when the New York Times ran a front-page story about the bubbling parental outrage over President Obama’s plan to address schoolchildren — even though the benign contents of the speech were not yet public. “You had to be like, ‘Wait a minute,'” says Gibbs. “This thing has become a three-ring circus.” (See who’s who in Barack Obama’s White House.)

    For deputy communications director Dan Pfeiffer, the more hyperbolic attacks on health-care reform this summer, which were often covered as a “controversy,” flipped an internal switch. “When you are having a debate about whether or not you want to kill people’s grandmother,” he explains, “the normal rules of engagement don’t apply.”

    And for his boss, Anita Dunn, the aha moment came when the Washington Post ran a second op-ed from a Republican politician decrying the “32” alleged czars appointed by the Obama Administration. Nine of those so-called czars, it turned out, were subject to Senate confirmation, making them decidedly unlike the Russian monarchs. “The idea — that the Washington Post didn’t even question it,” Dunn says, still marveling at the decision. (Read Mark Halperin’s grades for the Obama Administration.)

    All the criticism, both fair and misleading, took a toll, regularly knocking the White House off message. So a new White House strategy has emerged: rather than just giving reporters ammunition to “fact-check” Obama’s many critics, the White House decided it would become a player, issuing biting attacks on those pundits, politicians and outlets that make what the White House believes to be misleading or simply false claims, like the assertion that health-care reform would establish new “sex clinics” in schools. Obama, fresh from his vacation on Martha’s Vineyard, cheered on the effort, telling his aides he wanted to “call ‘em out.”

    The take-no-prisoners turn has come as a surprise to some in the press, considering the largely favorable coverage that candidate Obama received last fall and given the President’s vows to lower the rhetorical temperature in Washington and not pay attention to cable hyperbole. Instead, the White House blog now issues regular denunciations of the Administration’s critics, including a recent post that announced “Fox lies” and suggested that the cable network was unpatriotic for criticizing Obama’s 2016 Olympics effort. (See pictures of Barack Obama’s nation of hope.)

    White House officials offer no apologies. “The best analogy is probably baseball,” says Gibbs. “The only way to get somebody to stop crowding the plate is to throw a fastball at them. They move.”

    The general in this war is Dunn, 51, a veteran campaign strategist who arrived at the White House in May. She has been a force in Democratic campaigns since the late 1980s and helmed Obama’s rapid-response operation during his run. At the White House, she has become a devoted consumer of conservative-media reports and a fierce critic of Fox News, leading the Administration’s effort to block officials, including Obama, from appearing on the network. “It’s opinion journalism masquerading as news,” Dunn says. “They are boosting their audience. But that doesn’t mean we are going to sit back.” Fox News’s head of news, Michael Clemente, counters that the White House criticism unfairly conflates the network’s reporters and its pundits, like Glenn Beck, whom he likens to “the op-ed page of a newspaper.” (See pictures of Barack Obama behind the scenes on Inauguration Day.)

    As a mother — who plans to transition to a new job later this year in order to spend more time with her 13-year-old son — Dunn is a rarity in the almost all-boys club that is Obama’s inner circle. But her impact on the White House has been unmistakable. Since her arrival, the communications operation has been tightly refocused, with greater emphasis on planning ahead to shape the news cycle and controlling staff contacts with the press. In daily internal meetings, she points out where to strike back or admit error.

    It is not hard to awaken her fiercer instincts. “Here in the White House, you are reluctant to feel like you have to go to that place,” she says. “But we have to be more aggressive rather than just sit back and defend ourselves, because they will say anything. They will take any small thing and distort it.” In other words, after eight months at the White House, the days of nonpartisan harmony are long gone — it’s Us against Them. And the Obama Administration is playing to win.

  165. samiam60 says:

    The North did well during the Civil War and became rich after it.

  166. Kynikos says:

    The south was poor to start, and we barely survived that war, with todays tech, we would be eating roaches, they need the systems of production to further there cause of socialization! It is in nobodys best interest to create a war, I say call the bluff, and make them back down from the people!!

  167. samiam60 says:

    Is that not what this blog post is all about? Is this not what We The People have been doing for months now? Of course it is and as with all well intentioned diplomacy once talking fails to halt the aggression people take up arms.

  168. Kynikos says:

    That is not how I see this Blog Sami, a call to arms might sound good, but not successful at this time, a call to intelligence would be to vote the pricks out in 2010, then again in 2012. War or action is a last resort, and even given the tone of our country those who would promote that would be squashed, feign weakness then strike when not expected, look up the Art Of War, it still applies today.

  169. samiam60 says:

    Nowhere in our dialog has the word “Now” been expressed. Rather I have stated that when our present course fails to deterred Socialism and all else fails the American People will take up arms before surrendering their freedoms.
    Things are heading in that direction and one can only hope and pray that 2010 and 2012 will save the day for us all.

  170. Kynikos says:

    I am pretty sure it will Sami, each day the evidence becomes clearer even to the dense.

    I think this time in history will go down as a major test of our constitution and I believe she will stand up, if not I will be on the front lines fighting to my death to protect said freedoms.

  171. samiam60 says:

    Lisa has said:

    Sami
    This congress has destroyed our nation economically and morally with their lies, corruption and total lack of responsibility to We The People.
    The Revolt is building and they, the corrupt ones, continue to ignore the will of the people….this is starting a fire that will not be contained for much longer I fear.

    I am saying I agree with her.

  172. LisaInTX says:

    Kink
    I think the fire will simmer until the elections. However, IF things are not corrected soon after this hopeful election, or if voter fraud becomes an issue again, I believe the fire will be fanned and people are gonna get burned.

  173. Kynikos says:

    I hear you, but what actions are you choosing to address that statement? I agree with it as well, and have been saying so for over a year, this is nothing new, how to change what is going on is the focus, is it a call to arms or is it by other means?

  174. Kynikos says:

    Forgot to add, our freedoms have been eroding since FDR, what is happening now is the tip of the spear, a call to action, time for change, and Obama has brought us to the head by his actions, I am not interested in just addressing his actions but how this country will change moving forward, there are many politicians on the right that are just as corrupt, the whole system needs to be addressed, not just the figurehead.

  175. LisaInTX says:

    Kink
    Also the corruption is in our court and legal systems…..this is so wide spread and they have legislated so many pathetic/unbelievable laws that I fail to see an end to it in any civil common sense way.
    I hope you are right, but I really just don’t see it happening that way. Too many years of communist brainwashing and corruption and too much damage has been done IMO…

  176. Kynikos says:

    I hear you Lisa, and agree the entire system is corrupt, kill everyone and let god sort it out. The republic will stand, it is not going to happen overnight, but now that more and more people realise that the system is corrupt, the more effort will be made to change it.

  177. samhenry says:

    Effective use of the media is the key. The medium is still the message.

    We have to sharpen our wits not clean our rifles.

    We ave a roster of the most gifted writers I have ever seen. Let us put those talents to work in the service of continued freedom of speech and in creating inspiring principles to get people to participate in marches, etc. We need to demonstrate that numbers are involved here – large numbers.

  178. Kynikos says:

    The pen is mighter than the sword! Ben Franklin, ” there is nothing more dangerous than a man with a quill and a full bottle of ink”

    the best war is one that is not fought. Back to work

  179. LisaInTX says:

    Nobama is doing nothing but enacting what he said he would do……and those that believe in him want what he wants….the problem is that over half of the nation do not want his agenda or to see further corruption and fraud committed, and yet this admin is refusing to address those things in their arrogance….it will be their undoing I fear.
    I don’t care what party is doing it—the dem party seems the most corrupted at this point, but the repub’s have many that need to be fired too.
    Corruption, Greed and Power are running our country, writing our laws, ruling our court systems, changing history and corrupting our public schools…..to name a few…

  180. LisaInTX says:

    And my ‘actions’ will depend on my state….if they call us to secede, I will stand firm with my neighbors and do what I can to fight for what I believe in and the best interest for my state freedoms.

  181. LisaInTX says:

    If they take away the pen and the ink, what will be left?
    That is another of those ‘wait and see’ issues that is most likely coming as per the Czars appointed……it is another line that has been drawn in the sand, now to see if they attempt to take away our right to free speech openly or will it disappear in the dark of night only to be a long lost memory of what used to be?
    Heading out for awhile—see y’all later…

  182. Foxwood says:

    “Effective use of the media is the key.”

    Let’s not forget about the public school indoctrination system.

  183. Kynikos says:

    Agreed lisa, but in a way Obama has granted us a favor, he has blatenly show how corrupt politics are and the people have awoken to that. We are also to blame, as long as we were all working, and could afford the spoils of our existance we all accepted the status quo. Now that we do not have that luxury, and people are struggling to survive they are pissed and want change, where was that for the last 40 years?

    Plenty of blame to go around, but now is the time to focus on how to bring about change rather than fearing all is lost, I think we all have it within us, and like I said before if it comes to fighting for freedom, I will be the postman!

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